Trigeminal
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Hate to burst your bubble, but you didn't win shit.
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I fought the law and >>I<< won!! Well, kinda.
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eon_blue
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^ Such is the rationale of an addict; so long as you've got dope and you're not going to be sick for the next few hours, who cares about that felony you just caught? ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
OP: if this is a first offense maybe you can get off easy by doing a court mandated rehab stint. Sounds like you could use it.
OP: if this is a first offense maybe you can get off easy by doing a court mandated rehab stint. Sounds like you could use it.
getreal
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So, if she was a male it would be ok to use? In your eyes? Isnt that statement a wee bit prejudice?
beagleboy
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Stop posting comments only meant to start shit with people, that aint got nothing to do at all with the topic of the thread. Last warning.
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chrisinabox
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heroin nor any drug MAKES anyone do anything.
..and there's nothing worse than a heroin user/abuser agreeing with what he said above either. blaming the drug doesn't solve anything. and before you say it, i used to be in same shoes as you badfish so i do know what it is like.
lozgod
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Like above said. The evidence would be inadmissable due to illegal search. This is America. You can be guilty as hell but technicalities are your friend in court. The lawsuit may or may not work out but the criminal charges are an easy fix. Unless she volunteerily said I have something in my bra and pulled it out herself they were 100% in the wrong. And stupid for not having a female officer check her after they found the 5. That is why she didn't get caught with the other 2. They must not of had a female officer available and knew they couldn't check there and figured she didn't know enough to argue about the initial "bra check".
Kurrupt
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I've only been in a wheelchair since last March (2009), the robbery charges were layed January 2008, and the robbery took place December 2007...
Kurrupt
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Yep, Canada is pretty good to criminals unless your a repeat, long-time, violent offender... 3-5 for a robbery is with priors. A friend got 18 months for robbing a grocery store at gunpoint for over $100g cash...
Disowned
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when I was 17 I was driving in a car full of people about to smoke and we got pulled over. we had just left a party so we were all drunk, and I wound up only getting a ticket for having no license and got told to drive back down the block to my house. got home and blazed in the driveway, I won.
8L4YN3
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When i was 15 me and a friend were skipping school, hanging out at this football oval(australian football..), and we were just relaxing, smoking some weed..
Little did we know some person from the houses near by actually called the cops on us and claimed we were graffiti'ing up the place, which we weren't..
So we start to walk back to school, and what do you know this cop car pulls up in front of us, two cops get out and start talking to us, searching us for markers and paint, graffiti tools..
I had a bottle of wild turkey in my school bag that cop didnt see, an ounce of bud next to this booze. And on top of that the other cop is looking at my id which was in my wallet and i stupidly gave him the whole wallet which had a pipe and about 3g of bud inside it.
Cops didn't find shit, and angrily let us go.
The friend who was with me smoked up for the first time about 20 minutes before having to talk with the cops, i recall him stuttering like shit lol.
Anywayz thats my hardcore ghetto cop story.
Little did we know some person from the houses near by actually called the cops on us and claimed we were graffiti'ing up the place, which we weren't..
So we start to walk back to school, and what do you know this cop car pulls up in front of us, two cops get out and start talking to us, searching us for markers and paint, graffiti tools..
I had a bottle of wild turkey in my school bag that cop didnt see, an ounce of bud next to this booze. And on top of that the other cop is looking at my id which was in my wallet and i stupidly gave him the whole wallet which had a pipe and about 3g of bud inside it.
Cops didn't find shit, and angrily let us go.
The friend who was with me smoked up for the first time about 20 minutes before having to talk with the cops, i recall him stuttering like shit lol.
Anywayz thats my hardcore ghetto cop story.
I swear the breath-alyzer must have been broken....
Not proud of this, but I had drank about 10 beers over the course of 5 hrs, and took about 3mgs of xanax..... Now I have a high tolerance to the two drugs, and since I drank over a kinda long span of time, im sure I wasn't that drunk....
Anyway, I ended up getting pulled over for speeding, when asked, I told the officer that I had not drank anything. He then had me perform a field sobriety test, which I passed. They couldnt't figure out what was up w/ me (it was the xanax), and they had me perform a breath-alyzer..... Now I was exhaling very hard, and the cop kept on making me do it again, I guess since it was coming up 0.0 and he knew I had to have something in me... well after the 4th time I told him he got his results, im blowing hard, wtf more do u want..... So off I went, safely home.
The main reason I think it was broken was because I said I had nothing to drink, so if anything came up he would have given me the "oh, .04, I thought you said you didnt have anything to drink" talk.
Not proud of this, but I had drank about 10 beers over the course of 5 hrs, and took about 3mgs of xanax..... Now I have a high tolerance to the two drugs, and since I drank over a kinda long span of time, im sure I wasn't that drunk....
Anyway, I ended up getting pulled over for speeding, when asked, I told the officer that I had not drank anything. He then had me perform a field sobriety test, which I passed. They couldnt't figure out what was up w/ me (it was the xanax), and they had me perform a breath-alyzer..... Now I was exhaling very hard, and the cop kept on making me do it again, I guess since it was coming up 0.0 and he knew I had to have something in me... well after the 4th time I told him he got his results, im blowing hard, wtf more do u want..... So off I went, safely home.
The main reason I think it was broken was because I said I had nothing to drink, so if anything came up he would have given me the "oh, .04, I thought you said you didnt have anything to drink" talk.
Magic_Hobo
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I just explained why you are wrong on the last page. That was not an illegal search, you have no legal right to be searched by an officer of the same sex. It is entirely an issue of police protocol, and it is for the protection of the OFFICER against lawsuits, not for the suspect.
You are right that some police departments do strictly prohibit a male officer from searching a female suspect, but that doesn't mean she can get her case thrown out because the cop only violated department protocol and did not violate any laws.
In some states, Magic Hobo, it IS a legal issue. I have known many girls who got charges thrown out becuz of male officers searching them, for a fact the evidence was not admissable in court, so IDK how it is where you at, but at least here in Jersey it aint a protocol issue but a legal one. It might not be in your state but in Jersey i know that it is true. if there aint a female officer, they got to call one. If there aint one available and they REALLY want to search you, they can call one from another district/town/etc. Usually they just say fuck it and wont take the extra time to sit around waiting, so alot of girls end up gettin off without a search.
Magic_Hobo
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Yeah, its definitely not that way here. I googled it and it pretty much said exactly what I already thought, except that it is a legal issue in the UK. However I didn't find any information that was explicitly about New Jersey, so you could still be right. But I found information about a lot of other states, and none of them said it was a legal issue. It would be kind of weird if Jersey was the only one...
This wasn't even an invasive search, he just grabbed the bottom of her bra and shook it. He didn't even touch her breast. This is an entirely different situation than if he had been looking for bags inside her vagina.
I'm not arguing this just to be a jackass. I'm just tired of seeing people with this jailhouse lawyer attitude that "the cops can't do this" or "they can't do that," because nine times out of ten the officer is completely allowed to search you or your car or whatever the hell this issue is.
This wasn't even an invasive search, he just grabbed the bottom of her bra and shook it. He didn't even touch her breast. This is an entirely different situation than if he had been looking for bags inside her vagina.
I'm not arguing this just to be a jackass. I'm just tired of seeing people with this jailhouse lawyer attitude that "the cops can't do this" or "they can't do that," because nine times out of ten the officer is completely allowed to search you or your car or whatever the hell this issue is.
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lozgod
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No. There are clear laws defining offensive touching. To touch a woman's breast is offensive touching. Search or no search. He broke the law during his search. It's no different than if he stuck his finger in her vagina to see if she had anything hidden in there.
Magic_Hobo
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Now you are completely in the wrong ballpark. What lacey was saying could very well be right, but what you are saying is completely wrong. It makes a lot of difference that he is a police officer in the context of a search for illegal drugs that he just saw her purchase, and not just molester off the street.
Are you saying there is no difference between a police officer searching a female officer's bra and a random pervert sticking his fingers in a woman's vagina? Or if it is "offensive touching" and strictly illegal then it would make no difference if the officer was a male or female, as it would be a crime either way.
Find a law that says male officers could be charged with "offensive touching" for searching a female suspect, and I will believe you.
A person is guilty of offensive touching when the person:
(1) Intentionally touches another person either with a member of his or her body or with any
instrument, knowing that the person is thereby likely to cause offense or alarm to such other person;
or
(2) Intentionally strikes another person with saliva, urine, feces or any other bodily fluid, knowing
that the person is thereby likely to cause offense or alarm to such other person.
What determines offensive touching is lack of consent on the part of the victim, that is all. It doesn't matter where the victim was touched as long as they did not consent to being touched. However, in the OP did not have to consent to the search because the officer had probable cause to search her for drugs. If what you were saying is correct, an officer could always be charged with offensive touching if the suspect being searched did not consent to the search since someone patting you down all over your body is certainly "likely to cause alarm", even if the officer was 100% in his legal right to do so.
Furthermore, that definition says nothing about gender. Therefore if a female officer touched the OPs breast, it would legally not be any different. However, i doubt you would be making the same argument if that were the case.
Are you saying there is no difference between a police officer searching a female officer's bra and a random pervert sticking his fingers in a woman's vagina? Or if it is "offensive touching" and strictly illegal then it would make no difference if the officer was a male or female, as it would be a crime either way.
Find a law that says male officers could be charged with "offensive touching" for searching a female suspect, and I will believe you.
A person is guilty of offensive touching when the person:
(1) Intentionally touches another person either with a member of his or her body or with any
instrument, knowing that the person is thereby likely to cause offense or alarm to such other person;
or
(2) Intentionally strikes another person with saliva, urine, feces or any other bodily fluid, knowing
that the person is thereby likely to cause offense or alarm to such other person.
What determines offensive touching is lack of consent on the part of the victim, that is all. It doesn't matter where the victim was touched as long as they did not consent to being touched. However, in the OP did not have to consent to the search because the officer had probable cause to search her for drugs. If what you were saying is correct, an officer could always be charged with offensive touching if the suspect being searched did not consent to the search since someone patting you down all over your body is certainly "likely to cause alarm", even if the officer was 100% in his legal right to do so.
Furthermore, that definition says nothing about gender. Therefore if a female officer touched the OPs breast, it would legally not be any different. However, i doubt you would be making the same argument if that were the case.
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AmorRoark
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First of all, I'm not a 'jailhouse lawyer' (though I find the connotation lame because many people currently incarcerated and doing legal work are BETTER than your average lawyer); I'm a law student - 3rd year now. So, I'm not entirely speaking out of my ass.
Of course it's a legal matter. It's a police officer (an agent of the government) searching a person therefore it's a question under the 4th amendment. There hasn't been a case on point that I know about regarding this in the SC so I can't 100% say what available protocol male police officers have on this type of search but, since I don't know of any I'm guessing you're right... that male police officers can (with probable cause) search a woman's bra. Regardless, it's probably an issue that should come before the Court at some point. We just had Redding case which ruled it was illegal for school administrators (both women) to force embarrassment by showing a girl's private parts in a search for drugs byway of shaking her bra & pulling aside her panties.
Regardless of the federal law, there are so many state laws on this sort of matter that it could be illegal depending on where you're coming from. Lacey is right. This shouldn't be blown off.
Of course it's a legal matter. It's a police officer (an agent of the government) searching a person therefore it's a question under the 4th amendment. There hasn't been a case on point that I know about regarding this in the SC so I can't 100% say what available protocol male police officers have on this type of search but, since I don't know of any I'm guessing you're right... that male police officers can (with probable cause) search a woman's bra. Regardless, it's probably an issue that should come before the Court at some point. We just had Redding case which ruled it was illegal for school administrators (both women) to force embarrassment by showing a girl's private parts in a search for drugs byway of shaking her bra & pulling aside her panties.
Regardless of the federal law, there are so many state laws on this sort of matter that it could be illegal depending on where you're coming from. Lacey is right. This shouldn't be blown off.
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Silent Solution
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About 2 years ago me and two friends from work were out partying. We had to drive to go get some more X for one of the said friends. I had 8 pills on me. My friend was driving my car because he was not that messed up.
After going to get a couple more, we were driving down the road, that wasn't even in a bad part of town. A cop was behind us for about 3 miles. I was on probation at the time, (and i had needles hidden in my car) so maybe he ran the tags or what not.
I pulled out my little baggie with the pills in them so If we got pulled me and my boy could eat them. Soon as we passed a gas station I saw red and blue, and proceded to hand out the pills to eat quickly. We were sitting there pulled over for about 20 minutes and then another 5-0 pulled up. 5 minutes later another one pulled up. All the pills were eaten but I had those damn needles in the car.
First cop comes to the car, pulls me and my friend out, separated us, and asked how my PO would feel if I was out this late. It was like 12:30 am. Cop asked me if he could search my car and I promptly told him no. He kept asking, I kept saying no, cuz this is my personal shit. They let us go!!
It was funny too, because the whole time I was talking to the cop, I had red shit from the pills all over my teeth, like I just ate a dry Kool-Aid packet or something. not to mention I was blowing the fuck up from eating lots of X. Haha!
That cop was so pissed that he couldn't search my shit!
After going to get a couple more, we were driving down the road, that wasn't even in a bad part of town. A cop was behind us for about 3 miles. I was on probation at the time, (and i had needles hidden in my car) so maybe he ran the tags or what not.
I pulled out my little baggie with the pills in them so If we got pulled me and my boy could eat them. Soon as we passed a gas station I saw red and blue, and proceded to hand out the pills to eat quickly. We were sitting there pulled over for about 20 minutes and then another 5-0 pulled up. 5 minutes later another one pulled up. All the pills were eaten but I had those damn needles in the car.
First cop comes to the car, pulls me and my friend out, separated us, and asked how my PO would feel if I was out this late. It was like 12:30 am. Cop asked me if he could search my car and I promptly told him no. He kept asking, I kept saying no, cuz this is my personal shit. They let us go!!
It was funny too, because the whole time I was talking to the cop, I had red shit from the pills all over my teeth, like I just ate a dry Kool-Aid packet or something. not to mention I was blowing the fuck up from eating lots of X. Haha!
That cop was so pissed that he couldn't search my shit!
previouslyhere
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beagleboy has to be trolling...some of those stories made me LOL. getting a paraphernalia charge thrown away? Bicycle wheelies through a kid's lawn? GTFO...
beagleboy
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^SRS........I used to take adderall/dexadrine/ritalin for adult ADHD. I've always expressed this to the Police when dealing with them. One time they brought me to the Psyche ward to talk to a DR. I got let go immedieately. And they think I'm a nutter. Shit like "you taking your meds"? "Of course I'm taking my legal stimulants nice Mr Police officer. Didnt you notice me multitasking? Dont you see the four projects I'm into simultanuosly?" lol
I thought it was strange too. It was in the inner city in a known open air drug market. I've been standing on the curb before and this homeboy threw a rock at a Police car as it drove by. The car never slowed down or stopped. Could of been on his way to bigger and better things, but still. Theres a relationship between the badboys and the Police. I think sometimes the Police just dont give a fuck what criminal activities people are up to. The flip side of that is they can be total dicks.
previouslyhere
I thought it was strange too. It was in the inner city in a known open air drug market. I've been standing on the curb before and this homeboy threw a rock at a Police car as it drove by. The car never slowed down or stopped. Could of been on his way to bigger and better things, but still. Theres a relationship between the badboys and the Police. I think sometimes the Police just dont give a fuck what criminal activities people are up to. The flip side of that is they can be total dicks.
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