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Heroin I don't think IVing heroin is more economical than sniffing

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After switching to IV, it only took me about a week before I was needing to IV as much as I had been sniffing. But here's the thing, IV definitely lasts shorter. If I sniffed a bunch of dope, not only would I be high longer but it would stave off withdrawal for almost 20 hours sometimes. When I inject, the heavy part of the high wears within an hour or two and then I am already getting dopesick after 12 hours. So considering the duration, wouldn't it actually be more economical to sniff than to IV? Is it a misconception among addicts that IV is the most economical way to use heroin? It is the most efficient way but efficient does not equal economical because the body just builds greater tolerance and because it wears off faster, you have to redose again causing you to spend more, not less money. I don't think sniffing is a waste of dope at all, I think the only advantages to IV are the rush, no unpleasant drop and a "lighter" feeling high with less tiredness (once you get past the first few hours) and less likelihood to cause a hangover. What do you guys think?
 
Hate to say "I told you so," but these are the replies we made to you when you were asking about switching to IV heroin.
Sepher said:
Burn Out, you understand that your tolerance will ramp up pretty quickly with IV use, don't you? If you're chasing a rush you no longer get from snorting then sure IV will give you that at first, but because it hits hard all at once your brain will quickly make the necessary adjustments it needs so as to minimise the effects and moderate the intensity. Before long you'll be shooting just to stay straight and even with doses way above what you need to straighten out and feel normal you'll get very little reward from it. Trouble is once you're tolerant to IV other ROAs will feel like a waste of good gear as you're getting nothing from it, which makes it difficult to switch back from IV to snorting or smoking after a while.
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Tommyboy said:
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burn out, if you are absolutely set on IVing, would you be opposed to sniffing the remainder of your dose like you have done, thus letting your high last longer after the initial IV rush?

I agree with Sepher though, that the IV dose will only be lower than your nasal dose for a short amount of time before your tolerance increases to the point of you having to IV more than you would snort.

Your best bet is to space your usage out longer to try to keep your tolerance low. Nothing good is going to come from switching to the IV roa, other than the short rush that you feel. Since the IV dose wears off faster than that of a nasal dose, you will end up having to use more often to keep from getting sick. I have used with many people that have switched to IVing when we were taking the same dose, and all of these people now take higher IV doses than my nasal doses. I can't even tell you how many times I have heard people that IV say something along the lines of "I wish I could still get high off of sniffing my dope." I have been able to stay at a maximum daily dose of .2 since I space out my usage, while they have to take multiple IV doses of .4 throughout the day. I would recommend taking a step back from this and thinking about this decision. I would also like to mention that I have some experience with IVing dope a few times, so it's not like I don't have any experience with that ROA.
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Seems like you are now one of the people that confirms that switching to IV use will raise your tolerance.
 
First- you're right, IV heroin use is certainly NOT more economical than sniffing. This is only true 'at first: unyil after your yolerances SPIKING (waha) you are back to using just as many bags or .gs/Gs per dah.

Second- I have to say IMO and IME, with IV heroin the effects are much more pronounced and you have to dose (or FEEL you have to) less. For example morning shot, then *if bags are plentiful ... a midday shot, and last but not least hhe night time 'out w/ a bang' shot.

When sniffing- dose multiple times a day. When I'm snorting my H I usually dose around every hour or two. Let's just say it is getting ridiculous! The effects are less pronounced and last for less time with this ROA.

Not sure which route makes more sense... but my mind is leaning toward IV: both ways eventually create a large tolerance and same amount is needed to 'feel right/be where you want to be' in the later stages of addiction. HOWEVER IV pack a more potent Punch... so ghat's how I came to feel IV is In the End... more economical (regardless). Curious to hear other thoughts! I am currently in ghe process of figuring this out for my own personal reasons.
 
switching to IV use of course will raise your tolerance, even with the same dosage through the bio-availability alone! it seems like some here told you what would happen. you just had to experience this empirically, eh??
 
Tommyboy said:
Hate to say "I told you so," but these are the replies we made to you when you were asking about switching to IV heroin.

*snip*

Seems like you are now one of the people that confirms that switching to IV use will raise your tolerance.
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Whereas I have no problems saying I told you so at all! :lol:

Have to say surprised it ramped up quite that fast though, but yeah, perfect example of the trap users fall into when they switch to IV cos they can no longer afford their habit using other ROAs. Just digging an even deeper hole for themselves that's very hard to get out of.
 
I guess its all about how a certain person is. i personally been using 7 months sniffing of course it its good used to be better. I can understand how it would be defin more bang for my buck to IV cuz i used to IV dilaudid. I dont wanna go back there so i snort it. Some people dont like the rush you know, they rather have it come in a long heavy wave then go into orbit right and suddenly if that makes sense. i redose alot maybe 3-4 times when i really get into it but i notice i am feeling it so i stop.
 
I feel the same way with any morphine type drug like morph, dilaudid, opana, and H. Getting some opana and may just snort it, its still pretty good.
 
It's the same question I have been wondering about my subutex... snort or shoot? When I snort they definitively last much longer, but I don't get the entire BA so I'm not feeling the drug as much while its acting. If I IV then the duration is shorter but I seem to get more out of it. Now that I'm addicted to injecting them it's very hard to switch back to snorting. It may seem that the longer duration would compensate for the bio-availability, but it does not. So the conclusion that I've come to is basically what's already been said...don't switch to IV. Whatever increased effect you get will be sweet but short lived, and then you will just be hooked and it will be impossible to ever get back to snorting. Same with heroin, sub, morphine, oxy, or any other drug. I've done them all and I can safely say....I wish I never made the switch. I was always getting higher for longer before I started shooting. Good luck.
 
It's not a matter of saying "I told you so" because I never really disbelieved you. The reason I switched to IV is because I wanted to experience this "rush" people speak of. I also wanted to understand why so many people IV heroin. Not because I was expecting to save a ton of money.

After a week on IV heroin, I am coming to the conlusion that sniffing is a better ROA. Not only do you remove the potential damage to veins and other risks of IV use, but you stay high longer. Is that short rush really worth a significantly shorter high?

I am asking this because I feel like it is a misconception among heroin users that by IVing they are getting the most out of their heroin and any other method is a waste of dope. I don't feel like this is the case. Of course if you are IVing a gram a day and then you switch to snorting, you're probably not going to be too impressed with your first sniff. But why don't more people realize this and switch back to sniffing say, after being clean a bit so their tolerance is down? I find it way easier to nod from sniffing, when I IV the nod never lasts long and I'm actually afraid to try to shoot enough heroin to give me a serious, long lasting nod because I feel like it would be near OD levels.
 
burn out said:
After switching to IV, it only took me about a week before I was needing to IV as much as I had been sniffing. But here's the thing, IV definitely lasts shorter. If I sniffed a bunch of dope, not only would I be high longer but it would stave off withdrawal for almost 20 hours sometimes. When I inject, the heavy part of the high wears within an hour or two and then I am already getting dopesick after 12 hours. So considering the duration, wouldn't it actually be more economical to sniff than to IV? Is it a misconception among addicts that IV is the most economical way to use heroin? It is the most efficient way but efficient does not equal economical because the body just builds greater tolerance and because it wears off faster, you have to redose again causing you to spend more, not less money. I don't think sniffing is a waste of dope at all, I think the only advantages to IV are the rush, no unpleasant drop and a "lighter" feeling high with less tiredness (once you get past the first few hours) and less likelihood to cause a hangover. What do you guys think?
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IV is the best way to do any drug. IME, IV>smoking>sniffing
 
^ in your experience perhaps but I enjoy snorting heroin just as much as IV. Theres no rush (although bach when I had no opiate tolerance and i'd sniff a bunch of heroin, i would get a pretty decent rush althoyugh still nowhere as powerful as a strong IV shot). I honestly believe snorting is a longer, better high its just missing the rush (now that I have a tolerance I cant get any rush from snorting whatsoever).
 
the rush from IV dilaudid and about 2 times with heroin was amazing but..i still prefer to snort it. i appreciate the effects it has, with a rush you what get a rush and feel stuff for awhile maybe and lasts shorter everytime in intensity. with snorting i like how its there even if there is no rush. i just remembered one time after i did a little bump i can feel it coming on and i was browsing BL and listening to music i said to myself "this is good, subtle but totally there" something like that but anyways.
 
burn out said:
It's not a matter of saying "I told you so" because I never really disbelieved you. The reason I switched to IV is because I wanted to experience this "rush" people speak of. I also wanted to understand why so many people IV heroin. Not because I was expecting to save a ton of money.

After a week on IV heroin, I am coming to the conlusion that sniffing is a better ROA. Not only do you remove the potential damage to veins and other risks of IV use, but you stay high longer. Is that short rush really worth a significantly shorter high?

I am asking this because I feel like it is a misconception among heroin users that by IVing they are getting the most out of their heroin and any other method is a waste of dope. I don't feel like this is the case. Of course if you are IVing a gram a day and then you switch to snorting, you're probably not going to be too impressed with your first sniff. But why don't more people realize this and switch back to sniffing say, after being clean a bit so their tolerance is down? I find it way easier to nod from sniffing, when I IV the nod never lasts long and I'm actually afraid to try to shoot enough heroin to give me a serious, long lasting nod because I feel like it would be near OD levels.
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Good post. I had just meant that I said that it was going to happen, I didn't mean it to be a told you so type of thing.

I agree that the rush isn't worth it. I didn't even like it, and I don't see how it can be felt as being euphoric.

I also agree with being afraid to shoot enough heroin for a serious nod because it may be close to OD levels. IMO if you have to seriously worry about ODing when you are ingesting a drug a certain way, then it is not worth it.
 
I love sniffing dope, man. I love everything about it; sometimes I'll empty out the bags onto a mirror or CD case, chop up the dope, rack up and start blowing down lines; and other times I'll just tear the bag open, drop a straw in, and start sniffing. (We call those "milkshakes" because the straw coming out makes it look like a tiny milkshake lol.) I like the taste of it, and I like that first really awesome buzz I get for the first 15 - 20 minutes. Then, I feel content for about an hour, and about an hour later I get into my nod... ahyeahbabe!
 
At the tail end of my last dope run, I gave up needles and instead put my tar in a small cylindrical spray pump bottle. The top side could easily fit in my nostril and I'd just squirt a fine cooling mist up my nose and get fucked.

There was never a rush, but who cares? It was like smoking a number of balloons in 1-2 sprays. You can do this right in front of pretty much anyone, and they think you just have a sinus issue... well, ya!
 
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