Kratom I don't think I should quit kratom

[polarthedog]

Those withdrawals were from when I as 17-18, I’m not sure if I remember what my bowels were like at that time specially. Bu I can say for sure that I have had to resort to the dreaded fork.
What is the fork? You may be asking.
Well, after a week of not being able to shit, even with craploads if stool softeners, I would push really hard, and the poo would come like one inch out of my butt hole. At which point I would take a fork, and spear that fucker, grab boTh the handle, and the prongs extruding from the poo, and manually pull it out.
Btw, I sincerely did not mean for this to happen, I meant for the fork to remain purely a shit fork, BUT.... my mom may or may not have found the fork, washed it, and put it back into circulation with the other forks. That allegedly may or may not have happened more than once(my replacement shit forks being recirculated, I mean we can say for sure the manusl shitting happened ALOT)

 

[polarthedog]

Interesting how some people can tolerate single doses of 20+ grams. I have a history of monster sized opioid habit and used to easily shoot entire 100ug/hr fentanyl patches (enough to kill 8 people) ontop of methadone. Hell i once developed a IV heroin addiction ontop of my 380mg/day methadone habit. But i can't really get in much more than 40g of kratom per day without getting very nauseated and wobbly.

With extracts and tea I can go higher but i still wind up getting the wobbles eventually. I also get pretty dysphoric with large doses (like 20g equivalent of kratom by way of extracts). I form a tolerance to kratom pretty fast but i don't gain tolerance to the nausea much. Can imagine taking an ounce of kratom at a time, thats like half a soda can full. Makes my stomach ache just thinking about it. Those who are able to take 20g at a time must have iron stomachs.

Forgot to answer this, I was getting side effects, double vision, nausea, vomiting, tremors, but I found ways of mitigating all the side effects by mixing other Drugs in. I mean I was already mixing clonopin and alcohol at 16, doing what I began doing at 17 with opiates wasn’t too big of a step. Plus I had undiagnosed fibromyalgia at the time, which wasn’t diagnosed until age 20, so I figured I had some terminal illness based on the level of pain I was in. So I was like fuck it, if I’m gonna die, I’m go balls to the wall with drugs. I found that a mixture of benzodiazepines, Benadryl, and weed both potentiated the Kratom and reduced the side effects. I would still puke, but it’d all come up st once painlessly, then I’d go nod off and take more soon after. That’s wasn’t even the height of my drug use. At one point I was taking poppy pods Valium clonidine lyrica alcohol dxm and weed every day with binges on adderall a couple times a month. I always think it’s strange how people say mixing benzos and alcohol Andy opiates together is deadly, I heard that and I looked up why, and found they just dramatically potentiate each other, so my solution was always just to be careful with dosing, and adding lyrica in with those 3 takes it to another level.i also like utilizing the time dilation effects of dissassociatives and tryptamines/ phenethylmines to make it so the other drugs feel like there lasting longer. I liked mixing dxm with mescaline.

Disclaimer, this is a harm reduction forum,so... drugs are bad, mkay?

 

[drewbocop]

I haven't missed a day of kratom since 2015. And I plan to keep it that way for as long as I possibly can. I take a lot too. It's too cheap and keeps me well mentally and physically. There just isn't enough downsides to it for me to want to quit when it is so incredibly cheap and easy. The only thing I don't like is 1. knowing I rely on something so completely and 2. The stigma attached if I were to start dating again because they're going to think it's weird that I'm shoveling green powder into my face 4 times a day (or more) and that I'm a junkie. Because I am. If it gets scheduled finally, I suppose I will have to finally take the plunge but fuck, I really don't want that to happen. Kratom has been a godsend for me over the years, first got on it in 2007. Been through a lot since then drugs wise, and it's helped me remove myself from all of them. I got in a car accident and got a DUI which completely destroyed my life and kratom is what helped me keep my marbles during all the trials back then. However, I am so content while living on kratom that I am also content with doing nothing, when I'm not at work, but keeping my ass planted in my room with all my fun stuff and never achieving any goals. Or even setting them in the first place. It is just like hard opioids in that way.

I've been completely off of it several times over the years for many months at a time but I always go back to it. It fills the gaps in my sober-self's character which I suppose is kind of sad. I wish any of you going through withdrawal from it all the best, it can be extremely taxing mentally with the total insomnia and intense RLS. I know that bit all too well. Gabapentin is the absolute best tool for kratom withdrawal.

Those withdrawals were from when I as 17-18, I’m not sure if I remember what my bowels were like at that time specially. Bu I can say for sure that I have had to resort to the dreaded fork.
What is the fork? You may be asking.
Well, after a week of not being able to shit, even with craploads if stool softeners, I would push really hard, and the poo would come like one inch out of my butt hole. At which point I would take a fork, and spear that fucker, grab boTh the handle, and the prongs extruding from the poo, and manually pull it out.
Btw, I sincerely did not mean for this to happen, I meant for the fork to remain purely a shit fork, BUT.... my mom may or may not have found the fork, washed it, and put it back into circulation with the other forks. That allegedly may or may not have happened more than once(my replacement shit forks being recirculated, I mean we can say for sure the manusl shitting happened ALOT)

Yes, I have a shit knife I keep in the drawer. I never really get completely constipated, but I lay some beautifully massive toilet cloggers.

 

[polarthedog]

Has anyone ever found the shit knife? Lol how did you/ would you explain that? I’d just tell them outright, ive never understood feeling ashamed of addictions, I think everyone’s Is addicted to something, whether it’s tv, or ciggerrettes, or porn, or eating rocks( for real some people eat rocks) or drinking pee or doing heroin, I don’t understand why it matters, we’re human, and so inherently, we are fucked haha
Lol you could just pay dumb and be like “I though everyone has a shit knife?”

 

[burn out]

However, I am so content while living on kratom that I am also content with doing nothing, when I'm not at work, but keeping my ass planted in my room with all my fun stuff and never achieving any goals. Or even setting them in the first place. It is just like hard opioids in that way.

For me, kratom was different from hard opiates in that respect. When I was using heroin, I didn't want to go to work I pretty much just wanted to lay around on heroin. On kratom however, (because for me it was so much less sedating) I was able to live much more normally. It didn't make me averse to work like heroin and I remember enjoying activities like working in the garden on kratom.

I am very glad to be off it now though mainly because I got so tired of having to keep swallowing green powder every 4 or 5 hours and occasionally I'd have nightmares where I'd get arrested and have to go through withdrawal in jail. Towards the end, it lost nearly all of its positive effects and I just took it to stave off withdrawal. Overall though, it was one of the least harmful substances I've been addicted to and really seems like a good medicine when used wisely.

 

[polarthedog]

For me, kratom was different from hard opiates in that respect. When I was using heroin, I didn't want to go to work I pretty much just wanted to lay around on heroin. On kratom however, (because for me it was so much less sedating) I was able to live much more normally. It didn't make me averse to work like heroin and I remember enjoying activities like working in the garden on kratom.

I am very glad to be off it now though mainly because I got so tired of having to keep swallowing green powder every 4 or 5 hours and occasionally I'd have nightmares where I'd get arrested and have to go through withdrawal in jail. Towards the end, it lost nearly all of its positive effects and I just took it to stave off withdrawal. Overall though, it was one of the least harmful substances I've been addicted to and really seems like a good medicine when used wisely.

O find whether or not it makes you,lazy depends on dosage and the strain used, if you feel lazy, can always switch to an uplifting strain, kinda like weed in that aspect

 

[BlueBull]

Interesting how some people can tolerate single doses of 20+ grams. I have a history of monster sized opioid habit and used to easily shoot entire 100ug/hr fentanyl patches (enough to kill 8 people) ontop of methadone. Hell i once developed a IV heroin addiction ontop of my 380mg/day methadone habit. But i can't really get in much more than 40g of kratom per day without getting very nauseated and wobbly.

With extracts and tea I can go higher but i still wind up getting the wobbles eventually. I also get pretty dysphoric with large doses (like 20g equivalent of kratom by way of extracts). I form a tolerance to kratom pretty fast but i don't gain tolerance to the nausea much. Can imagine taking an ounce of kratom at a time, thats like half a soda can full. Makes my stomach ache just thinking about it. Those who are able to take 20g at a time must have iron stomachs.

Activated charcoal capsules work wonders for kratom nausea for me. I have the same thing as you, above around 40g/day I get pretty intense nausea, two 300mg capsules of charcoal and half an hour to 45 minutes later it's gone. I read that somewhere on reddit I believe and didn't expect it to actually work, but it does for me

 

[4meSM]

I have a question for my fellow kratom users, or ex users. Specially those among you who take 10-30g (or more) per dose.

How much did you start with? Did it ever work at all at the 2-5g range? (I mean when you first started taking kratom).

 

[burn out]

I have a question for my fellow kratom users, or ex users. Specially those among you who take 10-30g (or more) per dose.

How much did you start with? Did it ever work at all at the 2-5g range? (I mean when you first started taking kratom).

I started with a 12 gram dose, which was way more than I needed but I did not know that at the time. It certainly would have worked in the 2 to 5 gram range and I think 6 grams or so would have been ideal. My normal dose would usually be 4 or 5 grams but there are times when I was taking close to 10 grams per dose.

 

[BlueBull]

I have a question for my fellow kratom users, or ex users. Specially those among you who take 10-30g (or more) per dose.

How much did you start with? Did it ever work at all at the 2-5g range? (I mean when you first started taking kratom).

I used to take 4g as a starting dose and then redose with 1g a few times when I started off. Then I went up to at peak 70g/day spread over two sessions, first dose was about 15g and redoses were about 4-5g. Now I have tapered back down and my first dose is now at 5g, redoses are 2g and it adds up to about 20-25g per day. So yes, 5g does still do something even after using daily for a loooong time but I did have to taper down to it, if I would have taken 5g when I was at my peak usage, it would not have done much

 

[4meSM]

Kratom tolerance seems to manifest itself in 2 ways : 1) Dose escalation and 2) Frequency escalation.

You usually get both (as with most recreational drugs), but I've noticed that some people only seem to experience one of them. For instance, taking 10-20g twice a day is a fairly common pattern.
On the other hand, I happen to take it many times a day (sometimes up to 7 times) but haven't felt the need to increase my dose at all, I'm still taking ~3g.

I really think there's something a bit unusual going on here, the 2 "types" of tolerance may have separate mechanisms (maybe the first one takes place at the receptors, while the second one has more to do with pharmacokinetics and metabolism).
I guess this is somehow related to 7-hydroxymitragynine and mitragynine pseudoindoxyl.

 

[Larimar]

Yeah I can never up my amount , once I take too much in one sitting I will throw up and I can tell within a few minutes if I took too much. I just have to take my normal dose more often . I even feel withdrawal from Kratom when I am taking my OxyContin . Kratom also raised my tolerance to OxyContin, which sucks , used to be able to feel good off 20 mg now have to take 4O mg .
I have grown used to the nasty taste but my family notices me drinking this sludge and question me on why , which I don’t explain because they don’t know about my pill problem . I tell them it’s like coffee for energy .

 

[drewbocop]

I'm one that takes many doses but the dose sizes never increase. 10g when I get up, then 10 grams every 4 hours or so. In other words, way too fucking much powder a day. Been on this schedule for years now. The size has increased compared to when I first started but you have to remember it's been almost 15 years. I do still feel the energy lift at least somewhat with each dose and the analgesic effect never goes away for me at all. I do notice that I go through intermittent periods where I get jack shit for effects. Other times I'll go a stretch where everything is great. Even among the same batch numbers. It's a strange one sometimes.

 

[polarthedog]

maybe you should mix dxm with it?

 

[w01fg4ng]

Long after quitting heroin I developed a kratom habit. I went to rehab for it.

Now I grow my own and make tea once a month or two months.

"Once an addict, always an addict" is bullshit.

 

[4meSM]

I'm one that takes many doses but the dose sizes never increase. 10g when I get up, then 10 grams every 4 hours or so. In other words, way too fucking much powder a day. Been on this schedule for years now. The size has increased compared to when I first started but you have to remember it's been almost 15 years. I do still feel the energy lift at least somewhat with each dose and the analgesic effect never goes away for me at all. I do notice that I go through intermittent periods where I get jack shit for effects. Other times I'll go a stretch where everything is great. Even among the same batch numbers. It's a strange one sometimes.

How do you feel after 15 years? Have you experienced any new side effects or something like that?

I'm still able to enjoy every dose as well, for the most part. The intensity and the way it feels can change a bit day-to-day, butt it's still consistent enough.

 

[drewbocop]

How do you feel after 15 years? Have you experienced any new side effects or something like that?

I'm still able to enjoy every dose as well, for the most part. The intensity and the way it feels can change a bit day-to-day, butt it's still consistent enough.

I feel like I'm 50% kratom. I swear to god it made my eyes which used to be straight blue turn green. No real negative side effects, and with appropriate tolerance breaks (never completely, but I'll lower the dose so that when I return to my normal daily doses I feel it in a more pronounced way) it still retains its magic. I do go through periods where it has almost no effect at all but it comes and goes. Overall, I am a more stable and content person on it than off. My sober periods are just not as good. Could be PAWS maybe or it could be I just don't remember what normal is supposed to feel like since I've been in God Mode for so long.

I do retain a lot of guilt over it because deep down I still feel like I'm a junkie and that this habit is viewed negatively by normies. I fucked up my life real bad years ago and it still is and I haven't been in a real relationship in years. After I broke up with my fiancee and sent her packing I just kind of... stopped. And I think about how any woman I do meet will think about gulping down teaspoons of green powder and how I will explain it. It's a lot like methadone or suboxone in the way that you're constantly tied down to it. Going on vacation or being stuck away from home for extended periods I always have to be carrying a sample bag full of kratom and think of ways I can sneak away to take some if it's that time. Or carrying a shake bottle full of tea or green slurry. Those are the biggest problems. But overall the positives far outweigh any negatives, imagined or not.

Just another addiction and a far more benign one than all the others of my past. Even my mother approves because she was there for the big dogs and the resulting chaos.

 

[Nurse Ratched]

Yeah. Makes a big difference when we have to sneak around to dose. Puts so much more guilt on it. And for just Kratom it seems so silly. But i know where you are coming from.

Ha ha ha. Changed your eye color did it? Damn, son. I need some of your green powder

My Mother also approves of my Kratom use. She loves and trusts me again. She couldn't say that 5 years ago.

Stay strong, you aren't a junkie, and the positives for sure, for sure, outweigh the negatives.

 

[polarthedog]

Just eat it in front of people, if they ask what your doing, say it’s an opioid, if they don’t like it, tell them they can fuck off. Can’t spend your whole life trying to pretend your something your not in order to make other people approve of you. Your a junkie, im a junkie, but that’s ok, in my experience, if you accept yourself, others acceptance will follow, and if it Doesent, tell em to eat bag of dicks
@drewbocop
Same philosophy I assume gay guys have when they come out of the closet, it’s nobodys business how many dicks you suck, or don’t suck, or how many spoonfuls of green powder you eat a day.

 

[4meSM]

Good post drewbocop.

And I think about how any woman I do meet will think about gulping down teaspoons of green powder and how I will explain it. It's a lot like methadone or suboxone in the way that you're constantly tied down to it. Going on vacation or being stuck away from home for extended periods I always have to be carrying a sample bag full of kratom and think of ways I can sneak away to take some if it's that time. Or carrying a shake bottle full of tea or green slurry. Those are the biggest problems.

You're right, one of the worst things about having a kratom habit are the "logistical" aspects. But I've noticed that if I act completely natural, as if it was the most normal thing in the world, then most people don't think much about it (many don't even seem to pay attention).

I always try to prepare my daily dose beforehand though, I mix it with water and carry it in a random bottle, right now I'm using an Arizona blueberry white tea bottle but I change it often (mostly because it's bad to reuse plastic bottles). I'll use anything as long as it's opaque or has stickers that prevent you from seeing the liquid inside, this isn't mandatory but it adds an extra layer or discretion that can prove to be beneficial (for example if you're in your workplace). A stainless steel thermos might be the best alternative but I don't currently own one.

Once in a blue moon someone will ask me about my drink. I'll give different answers depending on the person, but here are a few ones I've used in the past: Matcha, a natural product, a natural product that's supposed to be good for you, chlorophyll, yerba mate, a green smoothie, I don't even know what's in it but x person told me it helps aid digestion, a disgusting green slurry, etc...
Long-term relationships are built on trust though, so in that case honesty would likely be the best approach. That being said, one doesn't always have to be 110% honest, there are many ways to tell the truth.