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Opioids I don't get withdrawals / dope sick (is there anyone else like that)

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Cane2theLeft said:
they could demonstrate this by quitting and having withdrawals after using for shorter and shorter times (assuming their abstinence was long enough to fully break the physical dependence).
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To me that would not prove that conditioning alone was responsible for the worsened withdrawals, because there are other potential causes that are being excluded. For example, there are permanent physiological changes in the brain of long-term opioid users. Some of these changes in the brain are responsible for an increased sensitivity to withdrawal symptoms and a shorter period of drug use in order to create physical dependence. How can we know whether the actual changes to the brain were caused by conditioning or by the drug itself? Probably both is my guess.

Anyway, I fully understand what conditioning is and I do agree that conditioning is definitely a factor, (and it is a factor in most things in life), I was just saying I don't think that it's the main factor or that the examples you stated prove that those situations are caused primarily by conditioning.

If only there were an effective method of reversing conditioning.
 
Neurological changes certainly do play a role and at this point, I doubt we can pinpoint precisely how much physical adaptation versus psychological conditioning account for this phenomenon. I don't know that conditioning is the largest factor at play and it's certainly not the only factor, I just brought it up because I do believe it's probably enough of a factor in this phenomenon that it was worth mentioning in this discussion.

There IS an effective method to reverse conditioning - time. Unless you continue reinforcing this association, eventually the stimulus will no longer produce the conditioned response (I no longer get anxious or anything when I yawn for example). This doesn't really prove my theory though because over time your brain recovers some from the changes the use produced.
 
That's interesting, but I bet that you just had a dosing pattern that helped avoid WDs to some extent, along with not THAT long of heavy daily use. Several hundred mg oxy a day, for AT LEAST SEVERAL MONTHS, is heavy use definitely, but I have a friend who abused OC for a while then went to H, and didn't have WDs for the longest times. I'm not sure exactly how long, but it might have been at least a year of daily use till he got any WDs. He smokes it, which some people here seem to think means its much less addictive, which it may be a bit but I'd still consider it harder than oral oxy use. And he smokes a lot, and is a cigarette smoker.

Do you know if either of your parents were into opioids? Just curious, I've always wondered if that could partially explain why some people get such smaller WDs.
 
my MMT sucked. my dose lasted like 16-20hrs tops. every morning i was cold as mf while driving to the clinic and getting my done in me. i started making noise but the doctor just kept upping my dose. finally i just asked hey, have you ever heard of people who metabolize drugs like differently and shit as in some metabolize things very slow and can go 3 days on my methadone while there might be some chinese kid that would be in wd's after only 8hrs from that methadone dose. my point was then and is now - we're all the same, everybody's different.
luckily, the nurse was cool enough that he lets me take like 40mg of my 120mg home with me so i can have it whenever i want and therefore dont have to suffer anything resembling WD anymore and can go pick up my methadone with a smile :).

now, on top of that 120mg/day, i sometimes IV 3-4 bags of fentanyl also. thats like 1-2x a week. did it today.
i took all 120mg at once at 8.05am
and then friend IV'd me a 4 dose shot at 11:15PM or so. that rush was pretty wonderful and nice. the weirdest thing? no nodding out, not even once. if i didnt know, i'd say i just got IV'd a bunch of meth or something (we dont even have that here in ths country) but one of my friends smoked some fentanyl (like a half a bag or so, he has super low tolerance) from the exact same batch that my friend took 4 doses and but the powder on the spoon to heat it a little bit and then filter it through a regular cotton. my friend smoked like 3-5 hits off the foil and was completely nodding and drooling for a good hour while i was there rushing like i imagine hydromorphone feels (never felt it and prolly wont either, i live in this sucky European country :)), i also feel some pins & needles - everything's great, great shot! the only thing - no nod :/ i mean, after the shot, i started talking MORE than i did before. but inside, the feeling, was really good from the shot esp. the first 20-30min but it lasted 2hrs and after that started fading.
just "hated" watching my friend smoke a half a pack of fent and he's in nodland.
oh, another interesting fact! my friend said 320mg of codeine gave him a better high than 20mg methadone.
he's tolerance is non-existant. whenever he does anything, its once a month or so. opiates maybe once every two weeks.
so how can codeine be 'cooler, warmer' than methadone, something that is supposedly DEADLY to 'outsiders' (lol) ?
 
^ Why are you posting essentially a trip report of how fucked up you get and how reckless you are with opioids?

You do realize this is a harm reduction forum?
 
I used to be all right and not experience very many withdrawal symptoms when I first began sniffing oxys and dope, but now I get sick; even still, I don't get terribly sick. I'll feel a little sneezy, a little warm, bloated and all-around just sort of uncomfortable. IT's nothing ridiculous, though.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
^ Why are you posting essentially a trip report of how fucked up you get and how reckless you are with opioids?

You do realize this is a harm reduction forum?
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i was actually writing in detail about some of me&my friends' more unbelievable happenings concerning opiates. was hoping maybe someone will answer who's been through same shit.
400mg codeine / 20mg methadone. which was better?
4 pack IV of 3-MF nice rush, nice pins & needles, but at the same time i felt like some kind of stimulant type of rush. at the same time, my friend, who had taken about a 1/2 pack of 3-MF and was smoking it and after 3-4 tokes off the foil this kid was nodding (NOT passing out) and having problems swallowing spit because it was all over his clothes. you know, a completely nodded out junkie. :) and that was from 0.5 smoked. i IV 4 bags and get a very nice rush, pins & needles but NO nod, NO falling out for even a second, it was like i was more awake even.
strange, right? :)
i was trying to say in short that we are all 'one' but definitely every one of us is a little different than the next.
 
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This has to be the most useless, pointless thread I've seen in OD in a long while. From the original OP's celebration of not having withdrawals after using for over a year (good for you bro) to this other Estonian based poster dicksizing about being able to IV fentanyl while on methadone maintenance (real safe, talk about harm reduction?)

Let this thread be locked away, as there is NOTHING to gain from either posters information and no inkling of harm reduction offered to the public here at BL.
 
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