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Health I do not believe LSD or psychedelics causes irreparable harm to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or history of psychosis

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There remains such fear and misinformation regarding psychedelics and schizophrenia / psychosis, in my opinion is unfounded. I am diagnosed with schizoaffective-depression and I will gladly take LSD or other psychedelics for the purpose of psychedelic psychosis. Currently weaning off vraylar for that purpose, to be able to trip. if by chance I am wrong and long-term psychosis sets in..so what! I survived psychosis 3 times in my lifetime and I can do it again.

I guess you might call my mission to disprove the old narrative about psychedelics and schizophrenia. I honestly don't know how psychedelics will affect me now after having this diagnosis most of my life, since the 1970s. I am stable now and good health I would like to be the person who disproved Nixon and the government by experiencing psychedelics first hand without leading to psychosis. If I'm wrong at least the truth will be known.
 
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M!$TER-ED said:
There remains such fear and misinformation regarding psychedelics and schizophrenia / psychosis, in my opinion is unfounded. I am diagnosed with schizoaffective-depression and I will gladly take LSD or other psychedelics for the purpose of psychedelic psychosis. Currently weaning off vraylar for that purpose, to be able to trip. if by chance I am wrong and long-term psychosis sets in..so what! I survived psychosis 3 times in my lifetime and I can do it again.

My philosophy is it's only life, and as big as you make it. I have no regard for the future, I live now, the future is not available to me yet. When the future arrives to the now, I will be here to experience it in full gusto, with all that I have and all that I am.
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Be careful what you wish for mate...
 
True but to live in fear of something that may or may not happen is wasted life
 
Getting back to original op it is often assumed that psychedelics are taken in large doses based on trip value, however, when psychedelics are taken in small doses has therapeutic value even to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or a history of psychosis. Obviously, this area is lacking in studies and information because of past assumptions that LSD / psychedelics cause schizophrenia
 
Nixon caused a lot of damage and fear regarding the use of psychedelics. I don't think LSD will ever be the way it was intended to be for public use.
 
i think there are different levels of schizophrenia. so some schiz people might be able to handle some psychedelics and it could be too extreme for others. i actually stopped talking about my experiences with schiz on reddit schizophrenia cause i didn't want to influence any one to use recreational drugs that might not be able to handle it. i thought i had a lot of good stuff to say on there, but my profile is linked to all pro recreational drug stuff and that might not be the right info for some people to recieve.

i don't think it's cut and dry that schizophrenics just shouldn't trip though, although it could be detrimental to a person very much... ime, the psychedelics kind of helps my schizohrenia, like i thought i was being harassed with EMF or V2K whatever it's called for years, so i was just doing acid anyways. all the time with anti-psychotics and not tripping i thought the government was just turning off the V2K, so i was still super paranoid and pissed off. not until when i was dropping acid did my thought process that i've had my whole life that's in my head start to predict the voices outside my head, so at that point, i knew it was all my mind.... it was refreshing to know that i wasn't being harassed by the government and when i realized it was me hallucinating, i started to get better and easier to deal with audio hallucinations.... so it's possible for me if it weren't for dropping acid, i'd still be dellusional about the V2K and not in very good spirits.

also, i think most schiz people probably require lower doses of psychedelics than the average person.

i definitely think they should have hospitals or centers for people to trip where they can get guided meditations and stuff. i think more schiz people would be able to trip and brain wash themselves to get more tolerable hallucinations if they could trip. i'm not sure if this is true for all or would even work at all, but ime, i could see it being positive. i think doctors try to just turn the hallucinations off where as they could work on making them more enjoayble for the people... i was reading some where that americans get more negative audio hallucinations compared to some other countries with specific faith, their hallucinations will be more play ful..... i don't know. i see hope in psychedelic brainwashing to help people with that... maybe i'm just crazy though.
 
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last winter I was able to stop taking a high dose of antidepressants after taking psilocybin. I’ve taken antidepressants & antipsychotics nearly all my life. I am questioning the validity of the medication prescribed to me and the diagnosis I’ve had for so long.
I feel better on days I do not take Vraylar than when I do. Lowest dose, every other day for a month, then stop.
I don’t mind not tripping if I benefit from taking psychedelics otherwise, although it would be nice to trip again.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
Getting back to original op it is often assumed that psychedelics are taken in large doses based on trip value, however, when psychedelics are taken in small doses has therapeutic value even to people diagnosed with schizophrenia or a history of psychosis. Obviously, this area is lacking in studies and information because of past assumptions that LSD / psychedelics cause schizophrenia
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It is a difficult thing for which to make a proper study.
A person who becomes schizo' after their first lsd is often referred to as a person with latent psychosis.
there are too many variables and too little understanding of physical and mental factors in psychosis.
Aside from that there is such a variance in presumed unit dosage vs susceptibility to effects.\
And then the whole set and setting issue.

but the main takeaway is that society (from psychiatrists to social workers to harm reduction participants here) - all of society says that if there is latent schizo' particularly indicated by schizo' family history, then taking LSD (psychedelics) is like Russian roulette, in that you have 1 chance in 6 of becoming irretrievably afflicted by taking lsd.
regardless of dosage, set or setting.

I wish they could do some better analysis, and maybe even find a way to help people be more fulfilled using LSD in moderate amounts.

it will take time for society to reflect more evenhandedly on the relationship between psychedelics and psychosis
 
I am stubborn and I don't believe LSD will propitiate long-term psychotic systems based on lack of evidence. Early testing of LSD on patients diagnosed with schizophrenia showed improved cognition and socialization skills but did not report aggravated or worsening of symptoms. Two former psychiatrists said LSD, and other psychedelics would be safe for me to try so that is what I am goin by. They know me as a patient so I trust their instincts on this.
Perhaps my condition is lees impaired than most people who are diagnosed with schizophrenia, I don't know. The only symptoms I have associated with schizophrenia is depression and at this time barely noticeable.

If I were on the verge of psychosis I would not be entertaining the idea of taking psychedelics, besides there are other benefits beyond vivid hallucinations.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
There remains such fear and misinformation regarding psychedelics and schizophrenia / psychosis, in my opinion is unfounded. I am diagnosed with schizoaffective-depression and I will gladly take LSD or other psychedelics for the purpose of psychedelic psychosis. Currently weaning off vraylar for that purpose, to be able to trip. if by chance I am wrong and long-term psychosis sets in..so what! I survived psychosis 3 times in my lifetime and I can do it again.

I guess you might call my mission to disprove the old narrative about psychedelics and schizophrenia. I honestly don't know how psychedelics will affect me now after having this diagnosis most of my life, since the 1970s. I am stable now and good health I would like to be the person who disproved Nixon and the government by experiencing psychedelics first hand without leading to psychosis. If I'm wrong at least the truth will be known.
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Psychoactive drugs like these for people with schizophrenia or predisposed to schizophrenia is generally poor idea. I know. I’ve seen it enough. I feel really sorry for the schizophrenia people I see who go to the dispensaries with their medical card. They are double fucked up after getting on the devil’s lettuce. LSD is a whole new level of no bueno for these poor souls.
 
I think psychosis is when you scare yourself silly and can't stop without being sedated or convulsed.
I am not sure there is a valid scientific explanation of that mental habit which usually follows years of emotional preparation.

I have a cousin whose child was declared schizophrenic at 4 months of age. that is not necessarily psychotic.
No idea about how a child can be born with schizophrenia.

Now well in his 50's the boy grew to be a low functioning human, I have not met him. I do not know what meds he has been on either, he must have been difficult to care for as a baby.

I personally do not recommend psychedelics to anyone, unless they are already interested and somehow the conversation comes up. How would I know if a person has "propensity for schizophrenia"

I can tell if people like to scare themselves silly, and I don't get involved in that.
 
@pupnik “how would one know if a person has a propensity for schizophrenia"? This is a scientific thing and it consists of first degree relative with schizophrenia/family history of schizophrenia. There are are things, but that right there is the big one. Where you’ve got one for sure schizophrenic in a family, there is almost always a family member or two with it or some spectrum of it.
 
I don't think I'm crazy nor do I believe I'm some kind of (what do you call that when a person tries to harm himself)? I genuinely believe psychedelics are the answer to mental health conditions including severe thought processing conditions.

Psychedelics don't mess you up, they heal and sets the mind back on track.
 
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@pupnik “how would one know if a person has a propensity for schizophrenia"? This is a scientific thing and it consists of first degree relative with schizophrenia/family history of schizophrenia. There are are things, but that right there is the big one. Where you’ve got one for sure schizophrenic in a family, there is almost always a family member or two with it or some spectrum of it.
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I rolled those dice hard! lol hey that's how I found out
 
Well I didn't gain any extra voices in my head and I am sure I have tripped more than most

than again I am sure if I had latent psychosis that would have brought it out.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
I don't think I'm crazy nor do I believe I'm some kind of (what do you call that when a person tries to harm himself)? I genuinely believe psychedelics are the answer to mental health conditions including severe thought processing conditions.

Psychedelics don't mess you up, they heal and sets the mind back on track.
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When used properly I agree -- but if used "to get fucked up" with very little plan of setting etc -- even tripping when in a bad mental place (Which I guess latent psychosis is by default) can be bad news.
 
Weaning off vraylar is not the lower dosage but when I take it every other day the actual medication causes nausea and makes me feel worse than when I do without. Emailed provider asking to stop now even though I have 10 capsules left according to original plan.
 
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