Opioids i can't find a straight answer to this - pill iv prep

[Suffer_by_Proxy]

What is the safest way to break down an opiate pill with a wax matrix for iv prep? Any input would be greatly appreciated. The tools possessed are typical rig items...the only thing missing is a micron filter.

 

[Sublimit]

First off don't attempt this without a micron filter.... especially if you're adamant about using heat.

With OC's i've experimented with heat and without. If you're not going to use heat you'd need to swab the coating off and crush until you have a fine powder. you need to let it sit in room temp water for at least 10mins while mixing it as good as you can.

I can only relate to OC pills and even though i crush and let it sit, i still use a tiny bit of heat before i draw up the last half of the solution into my rig. Just a little heat helps separate the wax from the solution and makes it so much easier to suck into your rig with cotton filter. I would then run my full rig with slightly cloudy OC solution through a .22 micron filter into the back of another rig. I get a perfectly clear shot.

The whole idea of not using heat is to not melt the wax matrix into your shot. I've also been told that heating can trap some of the good stuff in the wax. So if you're gonna use heat then make sure you only use a bit. Definably get the micron filters though. girl was telling me about a massive moving lump that appeared just after she shot an OC80. she uses heat and she doesn't micron filter.

 

[Suffer_by_Proxy]

Aak! I have shot my fair share of OC and dillys using the cold cotton method and never had anything like that before...i just worry over the wax matrix in these morphine tabs...they are time release aka gobbed up with crap i dont want in me. I am wondering if there is any wat to do so without buying strange chemicals.

 

[John_Burrows]

Try posting a thread with a title that actually describes your question and you'll get much better responses.

Threads with titles like "help me with this" are absolutely useless. Think about it: a year from now someone is looking for exactly the same info you are, so they do what any reasonable person would - a thread title search for "prep opiate pill for iv."

But no, people like you purposely put up a vague title so whatever info is in your thread will never come up - it's essentially gone forever and is of no help to anyone but yourself.

Its selfish and lazy and not why we are here.

I know I sound harsh but this is a big problem on bluelight - threads with good info but non descriptive titles are not going to help people find them in the long run.

It's funny, people are always bagging on new users to use the search feature, but if no one is naming their threads properly searches are going to come up empty (thread title searching is the only efficient way to find anything - try doing a general search for "opiate pill prep iv" and you'll get a bazillion hits).

So please, edit your post and change the title.

 

[MollayLujah]

Try posting a thread with a title that actually describes your question and you'll get much better responses.

Threads with titles like "help me with this" are absolutely useless. Think about it: a year from now someone is looking for exactly the same info you are, so they do what any reasonable person would - a thread title search for "prep opiate pill for iv."

But no, people like you purposely put up a vague title so whatever info is in your thread will never come up - it's essentially gone forever and is of no help to anyone but yourself.

Its selfish and lazy and not why we are here.

I know I sound harsh but this is a big problem on bluelight - threads with good info but non descriptive titles are not going to help people find them in the long run.

It's funny, people are always bagging on new users to use the search feature, but if no one is naming their threads properly searches are going to come up empty (thread title searching is the only efficient way to find anything - try doing a general search for "opiate pill prep iv" and you'll get a bazillion hits).

So please, edit your post and change the title.

I agree 100%, the main way I find the info I need here is to UTMFSE! Without a proper title you will not allicit any resonses.

It would also certainly help to know WHICH Time release OP that you have. You say it has a "wax matrix mech" please elaborate.

Is it Oxycontin, MS contin, Opana ER? Which All 3 have different methods with Opana being the toughest, well, longest process IMO.

Can't do much else w/o that info. Please edit your title with the question at hand and provide AS MUCH info as possible in your initial post. If it's too late to edit the title, at least heed our advice in the future, you'll be helping yourself and possibly even saving someones life down the line.

 

[MollayLujah]

The best I can do for you with the info provided is this... I CANNOT and WILL NOT take credit for these methods. They are copied from other forums, have been verified MANY times.

Oxycontin(Oxycodone CONTINuous release) prep-
The tools you need to do this are:

your OC (duh)
paper towels
cup with water
a small dixie cup or shot glass
an oral syringe (you can get them for free at CVS at the pharmacy counter - just ask for it) - any size is good but I prefer to have an assortment and the 1mL and 5mL are great
an insulin syringe (duh v 2.0)
cotton for filtering
2 spoons - preferrably one that is ladle-like and one that is more flat (info on this below)

When I shoot OC, I apply the rule of thumb that every 80mg of powder you need 1cc (1 mL) of water. Use purified water; or if not available, use distilled or bottled water (try to stay away from tap and spring water). They make a brand of water called "Penta" that is the purest water available on the market (in terms of drinking water) - this stuff is great for shooting. To get the coating off of the pill, dip a napkin or paper towel into water and take the coating off...do NOT suck on it, you will get unnecessary germs on the pill. I should also point out that the solubility for oxycodone in water is listed as 166 mg/mL. From my experiments I've found that to get the maximum amount of water (and most bang for your buck if you need to shoot stupid amounts of OC, aka the max per shot (160 mg...I need to do like 320 mg at a time to feel it) back, you can use 130 units if you're using 2 x OC80s or 4 x OC40s and you'll get back 100 units on the dot.

Get two spoons, preferrably one flat and one like a soup ladle or a deep spoon you can prep the shot in. Take your pill, put it on the flat spoon with the coating taken off, and crush it onto the flat spoon with the back of the rounded (deep) ladle/spoon. Then take the powder off the flat spoon and put it back into the ladle. Get yourself an oral syringe (or a syringe without a needle - you can do this with a regular syringe but I don't reccomend it, my method allows you to do a safer and more efficient extraction) and measure out 1 mL (1cc, 100 units) of water.

Cover the powder with water (COLD water works best), and then begin to stir it up with the orange cap on your needle. Stir it up real nice into the cold water. DO NOT ADD HEAT, it will only serve to help melt nasty fillers and wax particulates that you do NOT want dissolving into your shot. Stir it, it will get cloudy and you will see the wax particles start to coagulate in the liquid. You can let it sit for a couple of minutes to make sure that all of the oxy has gone into solution. Get a nice tight wet piece of cotton, drop it in, and draw it up into the oral syringe (this is also much easier than drawing it into a syringe with a needle attached).

Once it's drawn up, shoot the liquid back into a shot glass or a dixie cup. Repeat the above step, re-filtering it until you don't see any particulates in the liquid, it should be completely clear but the smell of the liquid should REEK of oxy and be very bitter tasting. Then filter at least 2x more with the oral syringe.

Use a micron wheel filter if you have access to one after this. This is a great method for preparing the pills before micron filtering so you don't destroy your filter. Shooting pills is not safe. The method I use seeks to eliminate most of the risks, but IVing is inherently risky in itself, so be careful. Make sure that all your equipment is cleaned with alcohol and hot water beforehand, and use a clean needle (duh), and use that needle only once! Wipe yourself with an alcohol wipe before and after the shot. Also, wash your hands! Most people overlook this, and it's a big thing when it comes to keeping shit as safe as possible.



Opana ER(oxymorphone w/ TimeRx mech.) prep-

I only tried a 12 hour extraction period this time but I'd give it 24 if you want to make sure it's all out.

I didn't remove the coating but I'd recommend someone try and verify that nothing goes wrong as if you don't, the shot gets that color.

Place a pill in 5-10ml hot water (Yes, it's ALOT of water, IMO the more the better) - place the pill in, I stirred it every so often but I'd recommend just leaving it as is.

wait 12 to 24 hours...

remove the pill shell & filter the fluid for injection.

At this point you can either reduce the amount of fluid via evaporation OR you can just shoot it as is.

There's a few alcohol based evaporation methods going around which do sometimes work to some extent but it's hit and miss, mostly miss.

Don't crush the pill because it would cause the gel to spread to all of the fluid.



MSContin(Morphine Sulfate CONTINuous release) prep- 1. Take the coating off of the MS Contin. I usually put it in my mouth and suck until it is white and then take a cloth or sock and dry it really good. Perhaps put a fan over it for a minute or so to get it super dry.
2. Take a Time magazine cover (or similar, I use a Playboy centerfold ) or a mortar and pestle and grind the pill until it is nothing but powder. If you use a magazine cover, use a hammer or similar blunt object and hammer or crush until super fine. The finer the better.
3. Make sure you have a cooker, syringe and needle, cottons, and of course water. I wish I had access to wheel filters, but I don't. If you do, I would highly suggest you use them.
4. Take 1cc of water per pill, and put it in the cooker. Put .5cc to the side for later use.
5. Using a Zippo or candle (or even a bic if you want to burn your fingers) heat the water until just boiling.
6. Immediately take the powder from the pill and pour it in.
7. Add the .5cc of room temperatur water evenly to the mix
8. Heat again until the wax turns a pale white. Don't boil it again.
9. If you can, push the wax to the side of the cooker, or
10. Throw in the cotton. Put the needle/syringe in and pull back until you get all of the water out of the mix. There should only be wax left.
11. If you want, you can heat the wax and you can get a little bit more water out of it, but not a significant amount.
12. I think you know what to do from here.


I think that's about it for me.

Next time remember....Accurate title, no ambiguous BS that you think will make people want to read the thread.

Thread contents- What you desire to accomplish, what supplies and substances you have and any other relevant info.

Hope you heed these directions, each is the safest and most efficient method devised by MANY intelligent folks.

 

[Suffer_by_Proxy]

John burrows-Eff off with that "you people" crap. You can go on spouting 5 paragraphs of self righteous board etiquette (which helped nothing) with your whole 600 something posts elsewhere. I wasn't trying to be elusive or ambiguous with the title, but everything i could think of including the actual subject material came off sounding pretentious. I will be happy to change it so it can benefit others, but i'm not the chick to come at like that. Mollaylujah : even though you didn't read the second post and therefore had no clue what pills i was talking about, you sort of answered my question....i have 30mg morphine sulfate time release, and you covered that under ms contin. Thanks for the help!

 

[Suffer_by_Proxy]

I have no idea how to change the main name of the thread! >.< someone help please? Id like for this to be useful to others.

 

[Levvytation]

possibly saving someone's life down the line

Yep. IMO thats a big part of what this place is about, and over the years it has probably saved many.

long may it continue to do so....

 

[John_Burrows]

Ok, I effed off. By the way, you can say "fuck" here.

Believe me, my rant was not self righteous - it's for the benefit of everyone. And if I wrongly put you in with "those people" I apologize, but in most cases people do write a vague subject on purpose, hoping it will make people curious enough to read their thread.

But as other users have affirmed, descriptive subject lines are honestly the most important part of starting a thread here. Its the only way to insure future users will find the info that gets discussed in your thread.

In anh case, thanks for updating the title.