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I’m a trans woman - AMA

Featherfall said:
my opinion is not formed on studies telling me gender affirming care for minors keeps them alive, its based on seeing the obvious and listening to trans people who talk about it lol
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oh ok, gotcha. We could have saved a lot of time and skipped the entire discussion of data. I mean if your position is "my position is obviously true lol". Anyways, thanks for the convo. :)
 
mal3volent said:
I appreciate the effort. Very interesting read actually. The methods they used to find the participants, who they chose to exclude and why, etc. unfortunately the whole thing is totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having as it says nothing about the role of HRT for gender affirmation in minors, doesn't touch on historical trends at all. In fact the age demographic includes individuals up to 24.... so....

Also not sure if we needed a study to tell us that people who feel more accepted by their parents and peers have less suicidal ideation. Probably pretty true universally not just for trans and non binary.
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Here’s a study proving what you are asking

Hormone Therapy, Suicidal Risk, and Transgender Youth in the United States - American Economic Association

Hormone Therapy, Suicidal Risk, and Transgender Youth in the United States by Travis Campbell, Samuel Mann, Duc Hien Nguyen and Yana van der Meulen Rodgers. Published in volume 113, pages 551-55 of AEA Papers and Proceedings, May 2023, Abstract: This study uses the 2015 US Transgender Survey to...
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This study uses the 2015 US Transgender Survey to test how initiation of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) affects the risk of attempting suicide among transgender individuals. We constructed a retrospective panel and employed a stacked event study design to demonstrate that HRT is associated with a substantially lower risk of suicide attempt. The average treatment effect on the treated is a decrease of 5.7 percentage points in the risk of ever attempting suicide if HRT is started between the ages of 14 and 17, which amounts to a 14.4 percent reduction in the risk of attempting suicide relative to the pretreatment mean.
 
JackARoe said:
I know someone 13 is still developing in certain ways, how much do we step in?
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Puberty blockers are pretty reversible, and I think that there absolutely is a place to initiate full HRT too.
I used to be against surgery for minors, but it does seem like there is a role for mastectomies in individuals who are so dysphoric that they cannot wait until 18.
Genital surgery for minors is probably a line that shouldn’t be crossed, though.


JackARoe said:
My largest question, looks like psychology is here to stay. Is that true of the gender topic?
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Do you mean gender as a concept? Or people not identifying with the gender that corresponds to their sex at birth? I think both have been around for centuries and will continue to be.
Many cultures have transgender people or ‘third gender’ identities (e.g. Indigenous peoples in Canada, various East Asian cultures) and there are documented cases of trans people going back centuries.
The only difference is that we discuss it more broadly in Western culture now, and have a far greater understanding of it thanks to open discussion and a growing body of scientific research.
Featherfall said:
And as hrt/puberty blockers have indeed been in use for cis children for ages, to restrict trans ones from accesing them seems rather arbitrary.
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this.
I know an intersex person who was forced to go on HRT corresponding to their assigned sex at birth that they later stopped taking.
They now identify as the opposite gender.
Many people have no issue forcing a child to take HRT in one direction, but have an issue with a child openly choosing to take HRT of their own free will if the HRT will change their body to match the gender aligned with the opposite assigned sex.
And we see the same parallel with how easily men can get TRT or menopausal women can get HRT vs trans people trying to get the exact same medications.
 
arrall said:
Here’s a study proving what you are asking

Hormone Therapy, Suicidal Risk, and Transgender Youth in the United States - American Economic Association

Hormone Therapy, Suicidal Risk, and Transgender Youth in the United States by Travis Campbell, Samuel Mann, Duc Hien Nguyen and Yana van der Meulen Rodgers. Published in volume 113, pages 551-55 of AEA Papers and Proceedings, May 2023, Abstract: This study uses the 2015 US Transgender Survey to...
www.aeaweb.org

This study uses the 2015 US Transgender Survey to test how initiation of hormone replacement therapy (HRT) affects the risk of attempting suicide among transgender individuals. We constructed a retrospective panel and employed a stacked event study design to demonstrate that HRT is associated with a substantially lower risk of suicide attempt. The average treatment effect on the treated is a decrease of 5.7 percentage points in the risk of ever attempting suicide if HRT is started between the ages of 14 and 17, which amounts to a 14.4 percent reduction in the risk of attempting suicide relative to the pretreatment mean.
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Thanks. I'll read the whole thing like the other one if I need to but I trust your opinion, do they attempt to discover what exactly it is about receiving the HRT that prevents the suicidal ideation? What I mean is, can they quantify if it's actually alleviating the dysphoria and that's what is providing long term relief? Or is it the fact that receiving the treatment is in and of itself "affirming"? Or is it partially "I've been trying to get thing for years , now that I finally have gotten thing I feel momentary satisfaction" ? These are legitimate thoughts, I'm really not trying to waste anyone's time.
 
arrall said:
And we see the same parallel with how easily men can get TRT
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this is the most hypocritical shit i’ve seen on the anti trans bigots.

all these vile scumbags like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, etc that are rabidly rabidly obsessed with trans women all take TRT and growth hormones so they can feel better about their self esteem by getting a more masculine look.

imo Elon just grew tits and got this insane HGH gut where his organs are pushing out through his thoracic region. for someone that rich he really destroyed his body with steroids.

Joe Rogan due to his abysmal self esteem for being extremely short, bald, and being unaccomplished intellectually while so desperately wanting to be an intellectual; had to take steroids and TRT to get big arms and muscles to compensate for his body dysmorohia. he at least exercised with it unlike elon so he did obtain a strong upper body and nice arms. but his nipples became freakishly gigantic and his head and face (nose, jaw etc) because freakishly large and he just looks like shit too. it’s like a different human being his face compared to before steroids. he had a pretty boy face and now his nose and facial features are all enlarged and it looks like a neanderthal or something.

both of them had hair surgeries pulling their scalps forward to keep hair. it didn’t work for joe and the steroid use can make you lose hair too

two men with severe body dimorphia pumped themselves full of hormones and became unrecognizable from their former selves and became very odd and non normal looking.

they are rabidly rabidly obsessed with trans women only (don’t care about FtM for some reason) and they did something very similar,

it’s extremely hypocritical

by the way the reason the anti trans ppl don’t care one single bit about FtM is because they are not sexually attracted to males.

with MtF they are sexually attracted to the trans woman because of course she’s a beautiful woman now if it’s done right and she’s genetically gifted….theyd fuck her brains out if they could. amd they don’t know how to process that,

it’s a person that looks like a beautiful woman…how is that gay? man it must be rough to be that obsessed with sexuality
 
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mal3volent said:
Translate ssbote ediyor anlam çok değişmiş
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this is a good point.

@KriptonitXxx welcome to bluelight. we're a global resource and english is the de-facto default language used in the forums.

if you post turkish and require readers to first translate your post themselves, most simply won't bother.

i'd strongly encourage you to translate your posts to english before posting.

ty.

alasdair
 
arrall said:
Do you mean gender as a concept? Or people not identifying with the gender that corresponds to their sex at birth? I think both have been around for centuries and will continue to be.
Many cultures have transgender people or ‘third gender’ identities (e.g. Indigenous peoples in Canada, various East Asian cultures) and there are documented cases of trans people going back centuries.
The only difference is that we discuss it more broadly in Western culture now, and have a far greater understanding of it thanks to open discussion and a growing body of scientific research.
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Actually I didn't have a clear question but that answer is fascinating. Makes me wonder how different was it living as a trans with no surgery options as compared to today. I mean if there are procedures today science must have caught up based off of history. And where will this be 200 years from now. My first exposure to this was the tennis player Renee Richards in the 1970's. I was in my teens, too young to try an understand.

I don't have the right questions yet, but this thread is eye opening and I appreciate the patience with some of us. I am a strange duck. I don't see individual people, I see one being. (too many psychedelics) And I want to understand it all. And I have no strong opinion. If I go inward maybe I can go outward. Start with defining my gender to begin with. At this point I do not even know what gender is. Nor do I even know the terminology. But as a start I think I am male, attracted to women, be seen as a man, but honestly not give a crap what people see me as.

Dr. John Thackery said:
this is the most hypocritical shit i’ve seen on the anti trans bigots.

all these vile scumbags like Joe Rogan, Elon Musk, etc that are rabidly rabidly obsessed with trans women all take TRT and growth hormones so they can feel better about their self esteem by getting a more masculine look.
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That is such a great analogy. But you are correct, only if you are not a hypocrate would you understand this. Yeah, that was like a bat to the head in similarities.
 
alasdairm said:
Bu en iyi bir nokta.

@KriptonitXxx Bluelight'a hoş geldiniz. Biz küresel bir kaynağız ve forumlarda kullanılan varsayılan dil İngilizce'dir.

Türkçe bir içeriği paylaşıp okuyucuların önce geri dönüştürmelerini isterseniz, çoğu kişi çevirmeye zahmet etmeyecektir.

Yayınlamadan önce gönderilerinizi İngilizceye çevirmenizi şiddetle tavsiye ederim.

Teşekkürler.

alasdair
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Ben
 
Dr. John Thackery said:
if we’re being honest with ourselves we have to ask if we would get our haircut, wear nice clothes, speak eloquently, master useless talents, lose weight, do skincare and all this other shit if we lived on an island alone and all other humans on earth went extinct

who is it all really for? us or others?

like i don’t give a shit about other ppl but at the same time i never think im physically attractive enough…its very odd maybe i do care about impressing others even thought i know it objectively doesn’t matter
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i have gone days without seeing another person or leaving the place where i live alone with only dogs.
but i brushed my teeth twice per day, and showered and washed my hair and even made my bed every morning.
because it's something i do for myself (guess the dogs would have liked it better if i didn't do all that)
 
asvarohn said:
i have gone days without seeing another person or leaving the place where i live alone with only dogs.
but i brushed my teeth twice per day, and showered and washed my hair and even made my bed every morning.
because it's something i do for myself (guess the dogs would have liked it better if i didn't do all that)
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yes these things make you feel physically better and fresher.

were you wearing sweats and PJS or were you wearing nice or fashionable clothes at home with the dogs alone?

btw your post reminded me of doigenes
 
Dr. John Thackery said:
were you wearing sweats and PJS or were you wearing nice or fashionable clothes at home with the dogs alone?
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i put on practical clothes that allowed me to play with the puppies without worrying about torn fabric.
i never spend a whole day in pj, that kind of goes with showering/making the bed (and of course, putting on fresh underwear)
 
asvarohn said:
i put on practical clothes that allowed me to play with the puppies without worrying about torn fabric.
i never spend a whole day in pj, that kind of goes with showering/making the bed (and of course, putting on fresh underwear)
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right but you didn’t wear the type of clothes you would wear to a fancy restaurant or a white collar work environment. because dogs don’t judge humans like humans judge humans.

not sure if you’re male or female, did you put on make up?

the things you did (shower etc) make you feel better and fresher but also make you look better , that’s understandable. there’s a other things we do that make us more physically uncomfortable but also make us look better (nice clothes, make up, nice shoes instead of tennis shoes etc). the latter category is more the type of thing i was referring to in my originally comment. cosmetic things we obviously do do impress other not to make our selves feel fresher and hygienic which is a self care thing
 
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