I’m a trans woman - AMA

[Featherfall]

So it's nothing to do with your arse then?

I'm guessing that 'bottom' in this context is a euphemism like 'nether regions' or 'down below'?

yup, the opposite is "top surgery" meaning the procedure that is common for trans men getting their breasts 'taken off' . bottom might have been a bad word to become popular for it lol

 

[JackARoe]

the issue is, it is sadly not a case of "just wait and see" but in many cases, either or, alot of trans people expirience rather horrific dysphoria due to their puberty which scars them for life, if they even make it through.

My question is can these scars be quantified in medicine? Is it the same type of emotional scars often impressed upon younger people? I could barely tell up or down when I was 13. (I did take cannabis and LSD at 14 so that is a whole other topic of moral. )There are a million types of scars as we grow up. This one is the specific scar of going through puberty the wrong sex. The way society stands we consider a 13 year old under developed enough to not make mature decisions. And it seems to me this is a big damn decision. That is where I keep going back and forth in my head.

 

[Featherfall]

My question is can these scars be quantified in medicine? Is it the same type of emotional scars often impressed up younger people? There are a million types of scars as we grow up. This one is the specific scar of going through puberty the wrong sex. The way society stands we consider a 13 year old under developed enough to not make mature decisions. And it seems to me this is a big damn decision. That is where I keep going back and forth in my head.

yeah, as suicides caused lol, if you want a straight number theres alot of trans teenager suicides happening, as to exact data to 'non physical' pain, cant help, trans people are, due to politics and stuff, deeply understudied as a group of people. So the best you can find will be aggrigation of such reports from within trans communitys. Anecdotally i can tell you of many trans people using the statement "puberty raped me" and things like that to convey their frustration. More medically speaking, transition can also be less effective if not started in teenage years, (leading to alot of self hate in trans communitys about having started to late btw) or more, you can have certain parts of transition made easier if you do not go through your assigned puberty (height, voice, bone density, fat distribution, etc.) But i want to mention this is ofc very genetics based and works better or worse for some, again, transition is heavily understudied, not really much knowledge on how it exactly works and alot more details i m leaving out, but this are the basics. In the end it is simply about trying to prevent moer dead children, i do not have a reason to believe, especially with the staggeringly low rate of regret in transitions and the fact the barriers to it will almost certainly always be high enough for the issue of potential cis kids accidently getting transed being a thing. If anything, probably the opposite, to many barriers. But thats a different discussion.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

yup, the opposite is "top surgery" meaning the procedure that is common for trans men getting their breasts 'taken off' . bottom might have been a bad word to become popular for it lol

Thanks, I'm slowly learning. In fact, I'm more confused by the terminology than anything else. I still can't remember if a trans woman is a man becoming female, or vice versa.

And what the fuck is 'cis'? To me, 'trans' and 'cis' are terms used in organic chemistry...

 

[Featherfall]

Thanks, I'm slowly learning. In fact, I'm more confused by the terminology than anything else. I still can't remember if a trans woman is a man becoming female, or vice versa.

And what the fuck is 'cis'? To me, 'trans' and 'cis' are terms used in organic chemistry...

pretty sure thats where they originate from actually lol, cis simply means you are not trans, a cis man is just a guy who was born a guy and always been a guy always wants to be a guy, just a dude pretty much.

trans woman means going mtf and trans men the other way around, noticed alot of people mix it up actually when first learning about it funnily enough

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

In the end it is simply about trying to prevent moer dead children,

the best way to do that is to not have children in the first place to fill the void in your own life.

 

[Featherfall]

the best way to do that is to not have children in the first place to fill the void in your own life.

terrible reason to have children yeah

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

terrible reason to have children yeah

there is no non-selfish reason to have children.

 

[Featherfall]

no non selfish reason for anything

there is no non-selfish reason to have children.

 

[Dr. John Thackery]

no non selfish reason for anything

agreed that’s why biology is a disgusting cancer

 

[mal3volent]

if you want a straight number theres alot of trans teenager suicides happening, as to exact data to 'non physical' pain, cant help, trans people are, due to politics and stuff, deeply understudied as a group of people

In the end it is simply about trying to prevent moer dead children, i do not have a reason to believe, especially with the staggeringly low rate of regret in transitions

So we don't have exact reliable numbers on trans teenager suicides due to politics but when it comes to rate of regret we know with confidence that it is "staggeringly low" ? Seems like we could look at historical data over decades for suicide rates amongst pubescent children or perhaps minors in general. If there is such a strong correlation you'd expect to see a pretty noticeable decline.

You could also expect to see noticeable spikes in countries where this kind of thing is less permitted or banned altogether.

 

[Featherfall]

So we don't have exact reliable numbers on trans teenager suicides due to politics but when it comes to rate of regret we know with confidence that it is "staggeringly low" ? Seems like we could look at historical data over decades for suicide rates amongst pubescent children or perhaps minors in general. If there is such a strong correlation you'd expect to see a pretty noticeable decline.

no we do on those, i was speaking for other factors that i mentioned, regret we do also have numbers, very low

 

[mal3volent]

no we do on those, i was speaking for other factors that i mentioned, regret we do also have numbers, very low

Oh ok, so if we have good data on that, has there been a decline in the last twenty years or so since there has been wider access to HRT and society in general has become more open to the idea? (At least compared to how things were prior to that?)

 

[Featherfall]

Oh ok, so if we have good data on that, has there been a decline in the last twenty years or so since there has been wider access to HRT and society in general has become more open to the idea? (At least compared to how things were prior to that?)

i wouldnt say society has gotten more open to the idea considering recent politics, but lets not get into that, its become more a known about topic if you mean that. As for data and changes over the last 30 years, trans numbers have been steadily rising i think but slowed down recently, though i m not sure, if your talking regret rates, theres only ever been very few studys (some recent good ones, all low rates) so you cant really compare to older data

 

[mal3volent]

i wouldnt say society has gotten more open to the idea considering recent politics, but lets not get into that,

Even if current politics aren't great, surely they're better now than in the 00s, 90s, 80s and beyond? My point here is if lack of HRT is so linked to suicide you'd expect these very well funded pharmaceutical companies to have published comprehensive data on it.

You can see an example of this with homosexual men with HIV -- prior to 1996 and after. Medical advancements turned the diagnosis from a death sentence to a serious but manageable condition. I realize this isn't a great analogy for a variety of reasons but the point I'm trying to convey is that there should be positive trends to be found somewhere. If giving hormones to minors to affirm their gender prevents suicide, you'd expect there to be less of it, as there are more kids on them today than ever before.

 

[Featherfall]

Even if current politics aren't great, surely they're better now than in the 00s, 90s, 80s and beyond? My point here is if lack of HRT is so linked to suicide you'd expect these very well funded pharmaceutical companies to have published comprehensive data on it.

You can see an example of this with homosexual men with HIV -- prior to 1996 and after. Medical advancements turned the diagnosis from a death sentence to a serious but manageable condition. I realize this isn't a great analogy for a variety of reasons but the point I'm trying to convey is that there should be positive trends to be found somewhere. If giving hormones to minors to affirm their gender prevents suicide, you'd expect there to be less of it, as there are more kids on them today than ever before.

almost all of hrt is prescribed for menopausal women, the market in trans people is incredibly small and unprofitable

 

[Featherfall]

almost all of hrt is prescribed for menopausal women, the market in trans people is incredibly small and unprofitable

Association of Gender Identity Acceptance with Fewer Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth - PMC

Transgender and nonbinary (TGNB) youth report more than four times greater rates of suicide attempts compared with their cisgender peers. Gender identity acceptance from others can reduce the risk for these youth. Using data from a 2018 ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

heres a study i found after 1 google search if you want one

 

[mal3volent]

Association of Gender Identity Acceptance with Fewer Suicide Attempts Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth - PMC

Transgender and nonbinary (TGNB) youth report more than four times greater rates of suicide attempts compared with their cisgender peers. Gender identity acceptance from others can reduce the risk for these youth. Using data from a 2018 ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

heres a study i found after 1 google search if you want one

I appreciate the effort. Very interesting read actually. The methods they used to find the participants, who they chose to exclude and why, etc. unfortunately the whole thing is totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having as it says nothing about the role of HRT for gender affirmation in minors, doesn't touch on historical trends at all. In fact the age demographic includes individuals up to 24.... so....

Also not sure if we needed a study to tell us that people who feel more accepted by their parents and peers have less suicidal ideation. Probably pretty true universally not just for trans and non binary.

 

[Featherfall]

I appreciate the effort. Very interesting read actually. The methods they used to find the participants, who they chose to exclude and why, etc. unfortunately the whole thing is totally irrelevant to the discussion we were having as it says nothing about the role of HRT for gender affirmation in minors, doesn't touch on historical trends at all. In fact the age demographic includes individuals up to 24.... so....

Also not sure if we needed a study to tell us that people who feel more accepted by their parents and peers have less suicidal ideation. Probably pretty true universally not just for trans and non binary.

yeah, exactly, also guess what counts as gender affirmation. Besides that, i dont know how else to tell you this, there are no historical trends as we dont have that data, here

A systematic review of hormone treatment for children with gender dysphoria and recommendations for research - PubMed

Evidence to assess the effects of hormone treatment on the above fields in children with gender dysphoria is insufficient. To improve future research, we present the GENDHOR checklist, a checklist for studies in gender dysphoria.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

they just straight up say not enough data
my opinion is not formed on studies telling me gender affirming care for minors keeps them alive, its based on seeing the obvious and listening to trans people who talk about it lol

 

[Featherfall]

yeah, exactly, also guess what counts as gender affirmation. Besides that, i dont know how else to tell you this, there are no historical trends as we dont have that data, here

A systematic review of hormone treatment for children with gender dysphoria and recommendations for research - PubMed

Evidence to assess the effects of hormone treatment on the above fields in children with gender dysphoria is insufficient. To improve future research, we present the GENDHOR checklist, a checklist for studies in gender dysphoria.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

they just straight up say not enough data
my opinion is not formed on studies telling me gender affirming care for minors keeps them alive, its based on seeing the obvious and listening to trans people who talk about it lol

(also because those studys dont exist lol)