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Hypothetical fight-or-flight stimulant?

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voskhod

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First of all, I'm new, first post, and all that malarkey. Moving on.
A certain topic on the effects of drugs has recently piqued my interest, and I have pondered a specific question for quite a long time.
Certain infamous drugs such as PCP, Methamphetamines, and Crack cocaine have been historically noted to result in increased levels of paranoia/aggression in many individuals, and in the case of PCP, extreme aggression coupled with near-superhuman strength, a very volatile combination.
But my question is this: Is there a specific drug in the world designed for combat use, to stimulate the fight-or-flight mechanism of the brain, such as Methamphetamines and PCP, AND promote unrestrained hostility and aggression?
It's a hypothetical concept that I've wondered the plausibility of for quite some time: A drug that not only sends the user into an uncontrollable rage, but also removes the natural inhibitions of the brain's use of muscles, plus with complete and total stimulation of the Sympathic nervous system along with all the resulting effects (Ie: Accelerated heart and lung function, liberation of nutrients into the bloodstream, and inhibition of certain emotional responses such as panic, fear, and most importantly pain.)

Now, I ask, does such a drug exist? If not, is it possible to be created within the realm of possibility, or is the hypothetical "Superhuman berserker" substance that I have thought up merely a loose work of wishful thinking?
 
Hi voskhod, welcome to Bluelight :)

Interesting question. I'm not sure if this is really a basic drug question, it might be more fitting for another of our forums, but to answer your question...

This has been a goal of militaries for centuries. A number of drugs have been used in combat and I'm sure there are secret labs trying to develop the perfect drug for soldiers as we speak. But there is no known drug that can predictably send any user into a rage that will only be targeted at the enemy, remove inhibition, provide stimulation, and prevent pain response.

The effects of PCP have been greatly exaggerated by the media and anti-drug groups. It only occasionally promotes violence, usually in people who are already very aggressive, and "superhuman strength" is debatable and more likely attributed to its anesthetic effects.

As for whether such a drug is possible, anything is possible, but I think it would be very difficult to make a drug that would have those effects consistently and reliably without other serious unwanted effects.
 
Drink alcohol until blackout then IV push some methamphetamine or cocaine ! Simple, dangerious and probably deadly.
Alcohol in excess does everything you mention in your post to me at high levels anyway, so need for meth on my half.
 
I think it might be difficult to ramp up the fight response without also ramping up the flight aspect of it. They're two sides of the same coin. When Noradrenaline starts to flood your system for instance you'll get all the positive enhancements you listed that would enable you to fight harder but it also drives up fear and anxiety. Too much Noradrenaline and you're getting into panic attack territory. Last thing you want on the battlefield are panicking soldiers incapable of responding rationally to the demands placed on them and struggling to rein in the aggression. I suspect this is where attempts to develop a drug that turns men into super-soldiers are always gonna fall down.
 
Well methamphetamine was used by both the Axis and Allied powers during WWII, but no nation used it like Germany did. They handed them out to their soldiers like candy. This kept them alert and strong with no need for sleep/rest and food. This was perfect for the people in power like Hitler and Himmler because it was obviously very costly for the Germans to keep their soldiers fed and they kept fighting because they didn't need sleep. I have always thought that methamphetamine had to have had something to do with the madness that took place on the Eastern front in the war. German soldiers were all given "Pervitin" and they had access to as much of it as they wanted - and they wanted A LOT!

Although I'm German (born and raised there until age 11), I must admit that the German soldiers were extra rabid and ferocious compared to everybody else. Indiscriminate killing and mass murder was an everyday thing as they marched through the east (and even the West). Even in their retreat they were completely relentless and totally brutal to civilians and POWS. Besides the propaganda and what not back in Germany, I think that methamphetamine had a serious effect on the German men that were fighting. I truly believe that the horrific things some of them committed was in part as a result of chronic use of methamphetamine.

I've noticed that when I'm up on meth for 4 or 5 days I am completely numb emotionally. It's like I have no emotions at all. I'm not happy, but I'm not depressed or sad either. I just don't feel anything after a few days of being up doing meth.
 
Yea I can see meth being that drug, but it's a very calm focus most of the time, a more robotic like high that could be, and has been, used in battle for creating "super soldiers".
 
Just some added info.

Methamphetamine was first synthesized from ephedrine in Japan in 1893.
They didn't get it into crystal meth form until 1919 (also in Japan).
High doses were given to Japanese Kamikaze pilots in WW2.

(I blame the parents) ;)
 
^D-meth was synthesis in 1893 by Nagai Nagayoshi from ephedrine like you said. Fully synthetic DL-meth from P2P was made Akira Ogata in 1919.

I've heard that though both will form crystals, D-meth forms larger crystals. Haven' seen P2P dope so I don't know if that's true.
 
A lot of stimulant drugs have an effect on adrenergic receptors, and indeed I think most major ones affect norepinephrine receptors, which are gonna be the targets of adrenaline/noadrenaline released in the fight or flight response.
 
Honesty... I thought about it. A drug that would work as described would essentially be a "panic attack in a pill". No que buena idea. (that's not a good idea). I mean unless some sort of sedative is given with it, with anxiolytic properties. This drug to counter that ones effects, etc etc.
 
I think to avoid this, We should bring the people who are fighting each other together, For example, Bring the soldiers from both sides together, let them meet at no mans land, Give them all MDMA, and let them talk and hug each other, maybe war wouldn't be as common if we placed MDMA into the water supply of the armies. hmmm I wonder
 
^So essentially "drop acid (MDMA) not bombs ( fighting)" lol stupid analogy on my part but that's how I saw it. Too bad the opposing soldiers would get into deep emotional warfare, fucking with their heads and forcing them to question their beliefs for fighting. So whichever side has the most emotionally vulnerable soldiers loses. It's a whole new way to solve disputes without the death of soldiers. Just a buncha candy kids talking mess dressed in fatigues. Lol took it too far, yup :P
 
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