Neuroscience Hypnagogia

[emkee_reinvented]

Well thanks to a stupid 'the 10 most bizarre non fatal ...' YouTube s [YT].
That had a Anti-Cholinergic weapon as first item.
Lucky would it be the 2-nd i d missed it. Hate 10 best .. Kakalawake [] YT s.
The compound EA-3443. The anti-Cholinergic effect s:
a state of a awake dream, and Delirium. Sound s nightmarish.
Talking with people who are not there.

Walking against wall s thinking there was a port, or door.

Searched some further and watched Tiger123,
[who has a vid on how to do it on purpose]. In a relaxed way, and comprehensible.



A awake nightmarish-state, kinda related to other sleep oddity s.
Doesn t have to be a nightmare, many use to improve their brain s.
And do it deliberately. But that how it presented itself in me.
Like Paralysis, Lucid dreaming, sleepwalking. Talking in your sleep, and so on.
It presented itself as surprise. The name: Hypnagogia !

So i found medical explanation just by not accepting.
The common answer s that were or neutral [thanks for the support].
But mostly ridiculed. Or based on assumption s,
resulting in internet diagnosis by not the brightest in the field.
And showed severe lack of empathy and knowledge.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10078162/

That YT that is from someone doing it deliberate.
Didn t even mention Psychotic or to much Speed.
It is actually a existing state of sleep described in literature.
Obviously is not that common. But not unheard of either.

LUCID dreaming, is. So for those experiencing this.
If you read this far, you can start experimenting, i will.
As the state was not only very interesting.
You have not lost your mind, you discovered a uncharted part.

It also opened room in my mind for thing s. That need s exploring !

 

[SotPoker1012]

Opioids can sometimes trigger vivid, dreamlike semi-awake semi-asleep dreamy hallucinations while you're nodding. I wonder if that is anything like this.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Opioids can sometimes trigger vivid, dreamlike semi-awake semi-asleep dreamy hallucinations while you're nodding. I wonder if that is anything like this.

Not much experience with Opiod s, never had the dream s i have read about.
But as i was not taking or in the aftermath of. That was not the cause in my case.

After it happened started using Kratom, couldn t get Gaba-ergics.
[preffered as they relax you for sure, after getting no restful sleep].
Kratom did relax a bit, didn t give me a 'opiod-dream',
or triggered them. So can rule it out.

But i been lucid dreaming since i had longlasting insomnia [stress]
resulting in seizure s. This i feel played a role.

Without experience with deliriant s like Doxylamine or Diphenhydramine.
Did take Promethazine 2 times, it was very strong so i did fall asleep on it.
The reason the person that gave it was prescribed them
No Hypnagogia, but very freaky 'deliriant' nightmares.
But in no way as lucid as Hypnagoia. And my body was paralysed,
and while lucid i could direct them. Unlike these 'dreams-like' monster s.

But when that Youtube film about EA-3443 was on they mentioned,
a state resembling REM sleep, no clue which fase. But i was not paralised.
The biggest danger: wounding myself or exhaustion.
As you get real weird when your stuck in them

Went real deep, more deep it seem s but definetlysome deliria.

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/behind-veil-hypnagogic-sleep

Glad i found it, they wannna go in to explore, that does take edge of things.
Knowledge is power, and i am sceptic. Just as when i was labeled either:
Psychotic, Insane or a Speed-Freak.

The middle one was hard to de-bunk when your almost 2 week s awake.

 

[rentedbythehour]

With some of the meds I've taken over time, I've had some extremely vivid dreams. Not intentionally, they just occurred. They were so realistic that to this day I have to question if they were real. There are certain things that happened, like roller skating around the operating rooms delivering supplies, that I know didn't happen. But man. Sometimes I really questioned that.

 

[SotPoker1012]

Not much experience with Opiod s, never had the dream s i have read about.
But as i was not taking or in the aftermath of. That was not the cause in my case.

After it happened started using Kratom, couldn t get Gaba-ergics.
[preffered as they relax you for sure, after getting no restful sleep].
Kratom did relax a bit, didn t give me a 'opiod-dream',
or triggered them. So can rule it out.

But i been lucid dreaming since i had longlasting insomnia [stress]
resulting in seizure s. This i feel played a role.

Without experience with deliriant s like Doxylamine or Diphenhydramine.
Did take Promethazine 2 times, it was very strong so i did fall asleep on it.
The reason the person that gave it was prescribed them
No Hypnagogia, but very freaky 'deliriant' nightmares.
But in no way as lucid as Hypnagoia. And my body was paralysed,
and while lucid i could direct them. Unlike these 'dreams-like' monster s.

But when that Youtube film about EA-3443 was on they mentioned,
a state resembling REM sleep, no clue which fase. But i was not paralised.
The biggest danger: wounding myself or exhaustion.
As you get real weird when your stuck in them

Went real deep, more deep it seem s but definetlysome deliria.

https://magazine.hms.harvard.edu/articles/behind-veil-hypnagogic-sleep

Glad i found it, they wannna go in to explore, that does take edge of things.
Knowledge is power, and i am sceptic. Just as when i was labeled either:
Psychotic, Insane or a Speed-Freak.

The middle one was hard to de-bunk when your almost 2 week s awake.

Kratom is unique in that it has both sedating and stimulating alkaloids, in different ratios depending on the "color". Even red vein kratom still has some low percentage of the stimulating alkaloids, and individual sensitivity either kind can influence how it effects you. I know some people that claim to get full on opioid nods with red kratom, while the same stuff from the same vendor effects me similarly to you. Relaxing, feels like an opioid, but doesn't put me to sleep. In fact, if I have a tolerance to kratom, the stimulant effects overpower the sedating opioid effects even at high doses. So it makes sense that you didn't experience anything like that.
Personally that was one reason I decided to switch over to kratom, that and a desire to reduce my dependence on opioids overall. I find it much easier to function with kratom as it is not overly sedating.

I also find anticholinergics to give me extremely vivid nightmares, as well as sleep paralysis. They are effective at putting me to sleep, but its clearly not any kind of restful sleep. I have taken moderate doses of DPH in order to "trip" before, but not so much to enter full on waking delirium. I do not recall the dose, but I feel a kind of weird serotonin "warmth"*, music sounded warped and strange, mild visual warping but none of the detailed, vivid delirious hallucinations people get at higher doses. If I fall asleep, however, its crazy vivid, violent nightmares, with occasional sleep paralysis where I wake up and see things like insects crawling on me but I cannot move.

I know high doses of melatonin can be used to induce lucid dreaming, and is much safer and pleasant. Amanita muscaria also triggers vivid dreams for me personally while being safe. Ambien is supposedly very similar to Amanita, so maybe that's something to explore as well.

*DPH can act like an SRI at high doses, and if I recall correctly, study of DPH or a similar chemical is what led to the discovery of SRIs/SSRIs

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Kratom is unique in that it has both sedating and stimulating alkaloids, in different ratios depending on the "color". Even red vein kratom still has some low percentage of the stimulating alkaloids, and individual sensitivity either kind can influence how it effects you. I know some people that claim to get full on opioid nods with red kratom, while the same stuff from the same vendor effects me similarly to you. Relaxing, feels like an opioid, but doesn't put me to sleep. In fact, if I have a tolerance to kratom, the stimulant effects overpower the sedating opioid effects even at high doses. So it makes sense that you didn't experience anything like that.
Personally that was one reason I decided to switch over to kratom, that and a desire to reduce my dependence on opioids overall. I find it much easier to function with kratom as it is not overly sedating.

Well i had not taken Kratom or o-DSMT leading up to it, last 0-DSMT round juli.
Kratom neither, but even when i was taking it 24/7 [long ago] it never led to this.
But i had no Opiod s in my system, or were in the aftermath of.
Opiod s are not the reason, i didn t take em.

And would i have had Benzo s, that would have probably prevented it.
And saved my ass. But with the Blanket Ban in action as of juli-2025.
And my dr. refused to prescribe them for seizure control or insomnia
With the motive that these are very addictive drugs ? A assumption, maybe true for the 'normal'dumb-ass patient. But i got Bluelight and a pair of brains.

I never got addicted to them, so he is kinda withholding pro[per treatment.
Because of the risk of addiction ? So if i am killed or damaged by a seizure or not sleeping he prefer s that to prescribing something addictive to a majority of patient s.

I do remember that MDMA and GHB in combination with stress and skipping night s,
here and then. Both me and my partner got our first sleep paralyses events.
[this was long before my kids were born, so about 20 years ago]

Might have opened a doorway ? My ex still has sleep-paralyses weekly. Or so she claim s. I took it to another level, i am guessing. been lucid dreaming and controlling them for about 4/ 5 years preceded by nightmares.
The controlled lucid dreaming didn t resemble Hypnagia. They were cool and controllable. And my dream character s were nice and didn t behave out of the ordinary.

And i could fly at will, or jump Km s high and had the strength of a bulldozer.
The good kinda dream s in contrast with Hypnagogia.

The stress and insomnia that came along led to seizure s. Which gave way to whole new wicked sleep disturbances. Been a relatively steady sleeper most of my live.
7/ 8 hours and i was good to go. When Hypnagogia peaked it was no fun.

And not like anything i experienced before.

I also find anticholinergics to give me extremely vivid nightmares, as well as sleep paralysis. They are effective at putting me to sleep, but its clearly not any kind of restful sleep. I have taken moderate doses of DPH in order to "trip" before, but not so much to enter full on waking delirium. I do not recall the dose, but I feel a kind of weird serotonin "warmth"*, music sounded warped and strange, mild visual warping but none of the detailed, vivid delirious hallucinations people get at higher doses. If I fall asleep, however, its crazy vivid, violent nightmares, with occasional sleep paralysis where I wake up and see things like insects crawling on me but I cannot move.

Glad these are not OTC or prescribed, imagine if i would have taken a anti-Cholinergic/ anti-Histaminergic for sleep ! On Mirtazepine solely anti-Histamine, so no deliriant effect s i don t even sleep. It used to work as a charm.

Like Kratom when i was on it 24/ 7 in my younger year s would. But both don t work that way anymore. Kratom just feel s relaxing, ... finally. Mirtazepine does nothing,
regarding sleep.

I know high doses of melatonin can be used to induce lucid dreaming, and is much safer and pleasant. Amanita muscaria also triggers vivid dreams for me personally while being safe. Ambien is supposedly very similar to Amanita, so maybe that's something to explore as well.

*DPH can act like an SRI at high doses, and if I recall correctly, study of DPH or a similar chemical is what led to the discovery of SRIs/SSRIs

Melatonine was triall-ed and was not able to induce sleep, it used to work when i would comedown from MDMA. No clue why it had no effect s. Money down the drain.
And the 3 mg dosed ones, which are kinda 'prescription'.
The max. OTC is guess 0.299 mg, for all i know. Dutch medical system is real,
dumb especially since the US started there war on prescription drugs.

Which was directly translated into a no prescribe anything remotely addictive policy.
Which involves ADHD medication, anti-seizure like Clobazam [leasts addictive Benzo on Earth ime, more then Pyrazolam] which was seldom i stock and Clonazepam too. Never had that one ! Regular Benzodiazepinen and off course pain-killer s.

I received one painkiller script in my whole life, 420 mg Oxycodone. In-between i relied on Kratom or gifted Tramadol.

Good thing Salvador Dali and Edison a.o. used Hypnagogia to there advantage.
To stimulate creativity and brain-function. and young kid s use it on purpose.
They try to induce it artificially that really helped take the edge of it.

and it s good to know your not crazy, and use the improved creativity and brain-function. And de-bunk that it s was my mind playing trick s on me.
Kinda bizarre though that there is little knowledge about this particular sleep 'form',
while lucid dreaming and sleep-paralysis are common.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

With some of the meds I've taken over time, I've had some extremely vivid dreams. Not intentionally, they just occurred. They were so realistic that to this day I have to question if they were real. There are certain things that happened, like roller skating around the operating rooms delivering supplies, that I know didn't happen. But man. Sometimes I really questioned that.

A few come to mind, but in hon-oust-y none as profound as what i witnessed leading up to my 1-st seizure. Which i had after about 2 year s insomnia, which allready gives insight in the effect s of the hesitance that dr s today have prescribing Benzo s.

My dr refused to treat it or take it serious, so after about 2 year s wrecked sleep my mind seized. Literally.

Which bring s me to the ultimate disaster drug Levetiracetam or KeppRAGE.
One of it s side effect s during daytime, but at night is when it really shines.
So imagine after a seizure preceded by insomnia and wicked dreams and insomnia.
This med promotes them while at the same time doing nothing to prevent seizure s.
So i got 4 more, till i asked to be put on a better one, which was gonna be Valproic Acid. [i call it the zombie drug]

Wicked dreams very lucid and fucking scary, if i slept. Put a full stop on body pleasure, of a certain kind. VPA didn t block this 100 %. So all in all a bag of shit Levetiracetam.

And i have a answer concerning hair , seem s you kept long lock s ?
Mine grew longer and longer, so i have a nice coupe. Very non-functional.
Combing and washing not the biggest deal, but all that hair must go some where !

In my mouth or on the floor, but i look like a Viking and it feels good.
Looking in the mirror it says wow that look serves you good, i looked like shit with short hair. i hate having it cut. So finally a answer to your long awaited question.
Long all the way.

I love long hair, guy s or on girls. Otherwise you ll need to visit a barber frequently.
In my case cut your hair in front of a mirror yourself, but i am busy with other thing s as-well. Putting my hair on the back seat. So might you have cut it of no worry.

You got more then enough time to regrow them.
Thanks for answering reminding i rewired my brain using drug s. I wonder is that a good thing it feels so. Just don t translate in what the dream s meant or were aimed.
But you can use them to wash out trauma and such. i understand now.

Just gotta work through them !

 

[emkee_reinvented]

https://www.sleepfoundation.org/how-sleep-works/hypnagogic-hallucinations