Opioids Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)

[4DQSAR]

Oxymorphone is powerful as fuck when you snort it. I almost ODed on it multiple times when the old school ERs were still common.

Back when those octagonal Opana 40 tablets were still prescribed, every single person who tried the stuff loved it BUT whereas oxycodone is MORE potent if consumed orally, oxymorphone is around x5 more potent if consumed parentherally.

Oxymorphone is almost exactly like the stuff that used to be prescribed in the UK. It FAVOURS abuse.

Maybe it's purely coincidental, but it's potency (both oral and parentheral) matches oxymorphone.

But as I noted, I found an image of the original 1950s pamphlet posted to GPs in the UK where 'high oral bioavailability' was a 'key advantage' so unless a doctor had good reason to obtain the academic paper (a long job in those days), they might reasonably believe that people consuming the pills via a parentheral route was unlikely. But a straw-poll suggests that back when it was quite commonly prescribed, it killed almost everyone who DID abuse them.

I should add that even orally, the stuff was considered inconsistant by users. The classic comment was 'one day you swallow five and are fine, the next day you swallow three and turn blue'.

But as I said, this stuff is now thankfully NOT in the BNF. How many had to die for the dangers to be acknowledged, I have no idea. But certainly for over a decade the stuff was infamous...

 

[Dextro .45]

Hydromorphone (Dilaudid) IS no doubt a Tier 1 Opioid, slightly more potent than Diacetylmorphine (Heroin) IV administration, Dilaudid is AMAZINGLY Potent & Euphoric…….oral administration is despicable with first pass metabolism destroying 70% of dose by the liver, Hydromorphone MUST be administered IV/IM/SC injection, not crushed oral tablets but genuine pharmaceutical vials.

#1 Sandoz Canada Hydromorphone HP FORT
10ml glass vial, 1,000mg / 10ml vial
…..that’s INSAINE concentration……a single 1ml syringe holding 100mg of pure Dilaudid

Only opioids I’d EVER need in 100% pure pharmaceutical grade API compounding powder for injection or oral administration…….

Oxycodone (Eukadol)
Diacetylmorphine (Heroin)
Hydromorphone (Dilaudid)
Methadone (Dolophine)

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Preludin (Phenmetrazine)
Dexamyl & Desbutal (d-Methamphetamine + Amytal barbiturate)
Biphetamine (todays Adderall)
Benzphetamine (pro-drug to d-Methamphetamine then into d-Amphetamine)
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Pregabalin (Lyrica)
LSD-25 - 100ug tabs
Psilocybin mushrooms
Cannabis (Indica, Sativa, Hybrid)
Premium tobacco (Belmont cigarettes)
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Ethanol / spirits, Gin, Rum, mixed drinks

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That’s everything I’d EVER need in MASSIVE 100kg drums stored in dark, cold, dry cellar for long term storage in secure vault cellar…..personal use only. No distribution to illicit market

Id cream my pants if I had these vault next to my secure gun room in fortified mansion in Wyoming, Utah, Texas, Arizona, Florida keys, ………2,000 yard outdoor range on mansion on elevated hill for situational awareness and ballistic advantage when sending a 750 grain .50 Caliber Silver Tip Boat Tail projectile from my $10,000 USD McMillian Tac-50 bolt action precision sniper rifle with 2.5k dollar hi performance optics

Id just get rocked all day, swim in mansion pool, music, sun, LSD…….and plinking with suppressed full auto Colt M4 Carbine 5.56mm, Springfield M14 American battle rifle in 7.62mm NATO and other long range precision heavy hitters with scrap cars, steel plates , cool targets to shoot at etc

My dream life after I get 500 million USD ……cars and other toys, vacations will come after

 

[opiatekrzy]

I never was a fan of Dilaudid. One time I had about 10 of the 8mg pills and was IVing them and all I got out of it was a milli-second rush following feeling extremely sober. I ran through all of the pills in one sitting and was very upset. I was IVing heroin at the time so I had a tolerance but still if Dilaudid is supposedly so powerful I should of been able to feel it.

 

[paranoid android]

I never was a fan of Dilaudid. One time I had about 10 of the 8mg pills and was IVing them and all I got out of it was a milli-second rush following feeling extremely sober. I ran through all of the pills in one sitting and was very upset. I was IVing heroin at the time so I had a tolerance but still if Dilaudid is supposedly so powerful I should of been able to feel it.

Dilly was always my fav opiate but way to addictive. I got to the point where i was shooting 3 18mg hydromorph contins every 4 hours or so

 

[SigmaDrugCollector]

I've had mixed results with Dilaudid. I'm not an IV user so maybe that's why. I never sniffed my pills either until I realized they were absorbed better than orally. I did try insufflation & it did get me high on the second day I used that way but I think I did a bit too much & couldn't get out of bed the next day. There was no rush , no euphoria, just uneventful, well I guess I'm high feeling. I can get an 8mg for $10 but I probably won't even bother again.
Sniffing just isn't for me.

 

[Syntherize]

I need a bit of help, I'm am a super experienced drug user, from opioid pills and cocaine as a teen hustler to fentanyl and crack/cocaine shots as a homeless. I've been through it all. Recently I got sober, I'm two years in with only one or twice use of fentanyl. My goal is to be able to get high (very occasionally) without using fentanyl so I'm working on lowering my tolerance. I currently have kadian(XR morphine) and Dilaudid(hydromorphone) prescribed. Tell me how I can take 50 Dilaudid 8mg pills in one handful and not feel anything????? Nothing at all. And it's not a joke I think my last try was 40 pills. I got so fed up I felt I was wasting my pills like I can get at least 100 usddollars for 40 Dilaudids around here. And when shooting them I can only fit 16 8s into a syringe, the fat ,3ml syringe. And I still feel NOTHING. The liquid becomes SUPER THICK and I was wondering if anybody can teach me how to make a more concentrated Dilaudid liquid iv. Or should I just give up?? It seems like fentanyl ruined my tolerance for opioids 100%. I'm so discouraged and I really wish I could just feel the warm rush like the old days. Does any body else have the same problems I'm having and is there anyway to get around it?? I'm hoping somebody knows how to make a super concentrated liquid iv with Dilaudids and I'll keep trying to lower my tolerance in the mean time. Please help me if you can

Go take subs and taper off opioids for a while wtf

 

[CfZrx]

If you can't feel 128 mg of hydromorphone IV you should just give up. That's beyond ridiculous. I could feel 8 mg even when I was using a gram of heroin a day.

Haha, yep, give up. Drugs are over for you. You done broke the moo receptor bruh!

 

[CfZrx]

Hey @Legitjohn First off, major kudos for getting off of the Fentanyl. That is huge. Make sure you give yourself credit for that.

Opioids were my drug of choice. I lived in Cambodia for a while when I was teaching and I had essentially unlimited Heroin for the first time in my life. I could use as much as I wanted and still eat and pay the rent. I got to a point where I was using 3-4g of relatively pure Heroin every day, intravenously. All I felt was numb. I didn't feel good, bad or anything. There was no color, emotion or anything.

I was using higher and higher quantities trying to break through this wall. It only made me feel more numb. I eventually felt trapped. I came to the realization that the only two options were to reduce my tolerance or to keep feeling nothing. I ended up reducing the dosage on my own volition. The only way I would be able to enjoy Opioids again would be to unsaturate my body and mind.

I eventually got to a point where I was using ~1.5g Heroin per day. This is still on the far end in terms of the maximum amount I could use and still receive benefit. I'm pretty sure that if I were to make all of the right decisions, my optimum dosage would be ~500mg - 750mg pure Heroin per day, perhaps even less. You have to find a sweet spot.

Someone really ought to copy/paste a bunch of the best BL drug stories (like this one obviously) into one narrative about a guy... let's call him Colin. Colin Sick. A globetrotting junkie with a million stories from teaching in the far east whilst sniffing rails off a chalkboard to getting in meth-fueled battles with kangaroos and growing weed in the hills of Northern California or something, lol.

 

[Psychonauticunt]

Yep, you may be fucked in this regard. Fentanyl and its analogues are so potent that exposure to them has long-lasting, if not permanent, effects on opioid sensitivity.

A few years ago I tried IV hydromorphone at a dose of 16mg, having not had any opioids for like a year and a half. I was really worried that I might kill myself, but shot it up anyway. The result? I got a little bit of an itch, tiny pupils, but that's about it. I could determine the drug was active, but no reinforcing effects. I can also take people's replacement doses of methadone (like, serious doses) without issue.

I had a short period of abusing fentanyl, carfentanil, furanyl-fentanyl as well as a massive overdose of about 100mg fentanyl this one time. I think that might have wired my brain to tolerate these substances to a point where they don't really work.

But yeah, 128mg Dilaudid IV is insane. I also went up to shooting about a gram of dope a day, and that would still have fucked me up. No idea what it would do to me now, and I don't intend to try.

 

[Dextro .45]

I need a bit of help, I'm am a super experienced drug user, from opioid pills and cocaine as a teen hustler to fentanyl and crack/cocaine shots as a homeless. I've been through it all. Recently I got sober, I'm two years in with only one or twice use of fentanyl. My goal is to be able to get high (very occasionally) without using fentanyl so I'm working on lowering my tolerance. I currently have kadian(XR morphine) and Dilaudid(hydromorphone) prescribed. Tell me how I can take 50 Dilaudid 8mg pills in one handful and not feel anything????? Nothing at all. And it's not a joke I think my last try was 40 pills. I got so fed up I felt I was wasting my pills like I can get at least 100 usddollars for 40 Dilaudids around here. And when shooting them I can only fit 16 8s into a syringe, the fat ,3ml syringe. And I still feel NOTHING. The liquid becomes SUPER THICK and I was wondering if anybody can teach me how to make a more concentrated Dilaudid liquid iv. Or should I just give up?? It seems like fentanyl ruined my tolerance for opioids 100%. I'm so discouraged and I really wish I could just feel the warm rush like the old days. Does any body else have the same problems I'm having and is there anyway to get around it?? I'm hoping somebody knows how to make a super concentrated liquid iv with Dilaudids and I'll keep trying to lower my tolerance in the mean time. Please help me if you can

That sounds like me on Methadone lol

Four(4) Oxycodone 80mg CDN tablets on same spoon….IV administration and didn’t feel SHIT …..a sickening waste of precious opioids…..why? All the mu-opioid receptors were being occupied by large regular concentrations of Methadone HCL so all that Oxycodone had nowhere to bind to…..I probably needed a moderate dose of Carfentanyl to break through the Methadone

That was like 20 years ago…… now Methadone 100-125 daily and I would even try another opioid ……unless I was 3-5 days no Methadone and I had a large dose of Hydromorphone 30-50mg and id oral syringe up my bum bum while laying on the bed…..in 15 seconds that unmistakable WARMTH & Comfort engulfing envy part ….ohhhh that beautiful Opioid narcotic…ohhh Banging real H 20 years ago ohhhh…..Speedballs ohhhh….lol 20 years ago

 

[kokaino]

I feel your pain, brother. I'm in my 40s, so I understand the "good ol' days." I was a heroin user primarily, but morphine was my favorite prescription opioid to IV. Likewise, I enjoyed hydromorphone immensely as well, of course. I used to be able IV three 8 mg dillies and feel amazing. Back when I could even swallow 230 mg of hydrocodone and feel absolutely bliss for hours.

Fentanyl fucked it all. So I gave up. I just got so tired of the synthetic trash all over North American streets.

Edit: have you tried seeking out oxymorphone? It is about 1.5-2x more potent than hydromorphone.

 

[kokaino]

Desomorphine is a semi-synthetic that's more potent than oxymorphone. That's an opioid I would do anything to get my hands on.

 

[paranoid android]

I feel your pain, brother. I'm in my 40s, so I understand the "good ol' days." I was a heroin user primarily, but morphine was my favorite prescription opioid to IV. Likewise, I enjoyed hydromorphone immensely as well, of course. I used to be able IV three 8 mg dillies and feel amazing. Back when I could even swallow 230 mg of hydrocodone and feel absolutely bliss for hours.

Fentanyl fucked it all. So I gave up. I just got so tired of the synthetic trash all over North American streets.

Edit: have you tried seeking out oxymorphone? It is about 1.5-2x more potent than hydromorphone.

Morphine s my doc these ays when it comes to opiates. I just ate 150m's of mscontin actually lol. I IV it alot and likely will tomorrow morning. I shoot up 60mg's at a time. I like the rush of dilaudid better but dilly has no legs. It's not as sustainable as morphine.

Fuck fentanyl i was prescribed fent patches for pain ages ago and that shit does not bet you high at all. No warm rush no nothing. Great for pain but sucks for getting high

My friend just got scripted oxymorphone and im so jelly. It's not available at all in Canada unfortunately. Even by IV in the hospital you cant get it here. Oxymorph is the drug they where always after in the movie drugstore cowboy. Great movie if you havent seen it

 

[paranoid android]

Desomorphine is a semi-synthetic that's more potent than oxymorphone. That's an opioid I would do anything to get my hands on.

Dipipanone the opioid in diconal is my dream opioid. I would kill to try that

 

[kokaino]

Dipipanone the opioid in diconal is my dream opioid. I would kill to try that

Dipipanone is synthetic, no thanks lol. The best synthetic was IV pethidine/meperidine. I am not a fan of the synthetic opioids. All fake.

The true opioids will always be king. Opiates - codeine, morphine, and its ester salts like diacetylmorphine/morphine diacetate or nicomorphine/morphine dinicotinate, morphine dipropionate/dipropionylmorphine, acetylpropionylmorphine, etc.

Semi-synthetic opioids - hydrocodone, hydromorphone, oxycodone, oxymorphone, dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine, desomorphine, hydromorphinol, heterocodeine, desocodeine, metopan, etorphine, etc

 

[paranoid android]

Dipipanone is synthetic, no thanks lol. The best synthetic was IV pethidine/meperidine. I am not a fan of the synthetic opioids. All fake.

The true opioids will always be king. Opiates - codeine, morphine, and its ester salts like diacetylmorphine/morphine diacetate or nicomorphine/morphine dinicotinate, morphine dipropionate/dipropionylmorphine, acetylpropionylmorphine, etc.

Semi-synthetic opioids - hydrocodone, hydromorphone oxycodone, oxymorphone, dihydrocodeine, dihydromorphine, desomorphine, hydromorphinol, heterocodeine, desocodeine, metopan, etorphine, etc

I dont get alng with synthetics either. Ive had tramadol, darvon, pethedine and fentanyl and i dont like either of them now. Pethidine did get me high as fuck though when i had no tolerance. Take 2 pethidine and 2 dramamine and your good with no tolerance

However everything ive read about diconal says its the holy grail of opioids. A similar mix methadone and cyclizine was mentioned in the book trainspotting. Not in the movie though. They said methadone and cyclizine was better then heroin

 

[4DQSAR]

I've only just remembered but over the years I have known five chemists who synthesized fentanyl not to sell but to prove to themselves that they could make it and out of curiosity as to it's subjective effects.

Of those five two are dead, two are still in jail and one was still struggling with AWS a full 12 months after they stopped using fentanyl.

They all ended up needing to redose every 20 minutes or so night and day. So they had to use syringe-drivers and at least one set their's up wrong one night and never woke up. I think the other took a fisful of CNS depressants to escape the AWS and that didn't work out too well for them.

Superjunky was still in jail last I heard, Robojunky was the 'innocence stooge' i.e. a non-chemist friend who the DEA chose not to charge. The latter is the one for whom even oxymorphone doesn't even put a dent into the AWS. The last was last heard of in deep trouble running away to Mexico and getting pinched so the moment they walk out of a Mexican jail, it's straight onto a flight back to the US for another few decades.

I have always maintained that things like carfentanil SHOULD be classed as chemical weapons. After all didn't the VDV use 'Kolokol' in the Moscow Theatre Seige with 260+ people being poisoned by a find mist of a potent fentanyl derivative.

But just rationally, write down a long, long list of all of the most euphoic opioids as I did and you soon realize that they all share many common characteristics:

1-High overall solubility with the relatively low LogP being explained by them being both hightly water-soluble and highly fat-soluble.
2-All appear to be in quite a narrow potency range from around x2 M to around x10 M (Ki of around 0.8 to 5)
3-All have relatively short durations of action.

Now the first simply means their onset can be very fast. The second suggests that subjective euphoria is caused by a dynamic binding-unbinding cycle with H having a mean receptor occuancy time of 20 minutes while fentanyl being estimated as more like 80 minutes i.e. it binds once and is redistributed and/or metabolized. Then the duration is also largely a function of that LogP. If an opioid has a higher LogP (as close to 5.5 as possible) it tends to mean onset is slower and duration is longer so onset and duration are connected.

I freely say this as a hypothesis but although a couple of reports on 'nitazenes' were broadly positive, remember most examples are nowhere nearly as potent as the prototype etonitazene. Now etonitazene DID turn up in Russia during the 90s and from the little i can gather, it's effects were known to be quite dangerous. Multiple people stated that a person could nod out for ten minutes and then be fully awake; energized even and it seemed a bit like methadone in that a few people liked it but most only used it because it was cheap and available.

But write down your own lists and check those Ki values, mean occupancy values and so on. I'm not guessing, I did make some effort to find a rational explaination.

With that in mind, the reversed-ester of nortilidine MAY in fact be most preferred because not only is it an opioid more potent that morphine but it also overlays the stimulant cypenamine (well, N-methyl cypenamine to be precise). Ignore mentions of NMDA activity. It is a very low-affinity, non-competitive NMDA antagonist. The opioid and stimulant activity is found within a single stereoisomer which is why I class it as around x2M in potency.

 

[spypilot]

holy shit
take my advice with a grain of salt as i do anything i can get (with exceptions)
if your limit is fentanyl and if your doing that much dilaudid i would say try another type of drug

 

[opiatekrzy]

I feel that all them research design opioids should be classified into something else instead of giving these chemicals that much respect. They give opiates a bad name. I consider them chemicals/poison

 

[spypilot]

I feel that all them research design opioids should be classified into something else instead of giving these chemicals that much respect. They give opiates a bad name. I consider them chemicals/poison

some of them are good