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Opioids Hydromorphone and Morphine

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JoeyCrack514

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I would like to bein with a hi.. :) this is my first post here on this forum


anyways..

Earlier this weekend I got some 200mg Morphines + 8mg Dilaudids

I snorted some dilaudid last night and the night before (6mg last night, 2mg night before)

I have never really done opiates other then Oxy once about 2 months ago.
Obviously the 6mg of dilaudid got me NICE AND RETARDED.

(I threw up once about 10 min after snorting it.. I know 6mg is a huge dose for an opiate nieve user.. But I was fine, I felt nautious already before taking it.. due to some cocaine and 20 cigarettes I smoked.. I also waited an hour after the cocaine to do the dilaudid to avoid any heart injury ect for those that would warn me hehe)


My question is now that you understand my experience so far,
IF i were to do the morphine , how would I go about doing this?
The pill has a red coating im guessing is some form of time release coating..

How much of the pill do I take, and do I snort or just pop (I do not IV anything!).. How long of opiate use does it take to become hooked physically?

Sorry for all the questions, just so curious and I cant find a thread that explains all this ! I enjoy opiates, but not enough to get myself into any trouble with them :)
 
6mg of hydromorphone snorted eguals approximately 70mg of oral morphine (6mg @50%bio-availability =3mg @ 8x as potent by weight as morphine =24mg of morphine via IV route) and (72mg of morphine @ 30% BA = 24mg of morphine via IV route) obviously, I'm not suggesting you IV anything, it is just the standard for comparison when doing opiate equivalences.

now that you know how they compare, you can judge for yourself how much to do. in the OTHER DRUGS directory, there is an opiate equivalence chart and a bio-availability chart.
 
Plugging 8mg. Dilaudid (hydromorphone) = heaven.

But for you, do 2mg. plugged and see how you like it.
 
Thanks guys for the help! Ill be following the guidelines

@Geau_Tigers! ~ Im finished my dilaudid! only had one pill. Also forgot to mention I do not plug anything! But I do know plugging dilaudid/IV is the "REAL" way to do it..
 
@Geau_Tigers! ~ Im finished my dilaudid! only had one pill. Also forgot to mention I do not plug anything! But I do know plugging dilaudid/IV is the "REAL" way to do it..
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I always hate when I finish my Dilaudid. :)

I also respect you for not wanting to plug it as that's a personal choice and I also respect you realizing that rectal hydromorphone bioavailability is higher than insuffulated hydromorphone.
 
Geaux Tigers! said:
I always hate when I finish my Dilaudid. :)

I also respect you for not wanting to plug it as that's a personal choice and I also respect you realizing that rectal hydromorphone bioavailability is higher than insuffulated hydromorphone.
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hahah I dont mind! it was a fun experience to say the least.. Both times I did cocaine before it and I used the dilaudids to "calm" down off the coke and go to bed..

I dnot judge those who IV/Plug drugs.. People tend to over exadurate the use of IV drugs.. but they dont think twice when they have an IV of morphine in their arm when in the hospital.

I just happen to like snorting stuff or just pop. Im too afraid of needles!
 
Actually, it is a fallacy that plugging HM has a greater BA than insufflating. There is a discussion on this very topic in the Hydromorphone megathread located in Other Drugs. it is good reading for anyone experimenting with this drug.

(I should categorize that statement by saying the mean BA for rectal HM is ~35%, with an over 1000% deviation, so everyone will have wildly different experiences)
 
thats pretty interesting, even tho im really never going to inject or plug//

I been reading up a lot on the whole subject and thats pretty cool to know I guess

the only question left unanswered that still kinda tickles my curiosity is ...
If I were to do morphine tonight.. that would be 3 days straight of opiates in my system

Is this safe for recreational use without any form of withdrawal symptoms? (aka i gotta work tuesday! hahaha)
 
JoeyCrack514 said:
thats pretty interesting, even tho im really never going to inject or plug//

I been reading up a lot on the whole subject and thats pretty cool to know I guess

the only question left unanswered that still kinda tickles my curiosity is ...
If I were to do morphine tonight.. that would be 3 days straight of opiates in my system

Is this safe for recreational use without any form of withdrawal symptoms? (aka i gotta work tuesday! hahaha)
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With the amount you have been taking over only 3 days you probably wont experience much withdrawl at all. Perhaps a slight anti social feeling but nothing to bad.

After 6 days of 80+mg a day of oxy I was only bummed out for 3 days (no heavy physical problems or anything other than constipation) so you should be fine.
 
well, dilaudid is extremely short acting, so using it once a day likely wont produce any withdrawal symptoms even when used for up to a week, but morphine is much longer acting, so it can present issues, especially when mixed with HM. Everyone's body is different -your mileage may vary.
At the worst, after three days of continuous use, you would maybe experience mild to very mild wd's.
 
thanks guys , I decided to get another dilaudid ( got a few to give out to people, friend gave me his)

decided if im gonna do some later tonight, im gonna do 4mg of hydromorphone considering its short acting and makes more sense to take later at night and also I know what to expect out of it
 
A few days in a row probably won't give you any real WD symptoms. But being opiate naive, keep the doses low (4mg or less) and watch what you combine it with. Too many depressants and you don't wake up.


Been years 25 years since I did coke, but I don't think mixing coke with downers is a good idea. Isn't that supposed to be hard on the heart? Anybody who has more info on coke and pain killer combos, please chime in and correct me, etc. I think it's important that the OP has the best info regarding this combination.
 
Coke and Pk's is one of my favorite combos, although, yes, it is dangerous.

I would argue, though, that if you had to do it with any opiate, hydromorphone would be the best choice due to the short half-life and lack of toxic effects as opposed to dolophine or propoxyphene, etc...
 
J. G. Wentworth said:
A few days in a row probably won't give you any real WD symptoms. But being opiate naive, keep the doses low (4mg or less) and watch what you combine it with. Too many depressants and you don't wake up.


Been years 25 years since I did coke, but I don't think mixing coke with downers is a good idea. Isn't that supposed to be hard on the heart? Anybody who has more info on coke and pain killer combos, please chime in and correct me, etc. I think it's important that the OP has the best info regarding this combination.
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Cocaine is cardiotoxic by itself, so it is best to avoid this drug.
 
well with the dilaudids , i use them to come down off the coke ... i mean .. i come down off it without it, whicih is usally an hour or so after the last line.. My coke tolerance is quite high.. I dont stay "cracked" out for very long after the coke is gone, nore does my heart rate stay up for very long.

I wait it out until my heart rate is comfortably back to normal then do the Dilaudid.
I know this is still unsafe! but... im sure its much better then mixing the both the whole night?

(also if this helps any, i DO NOT smoke pot while on cocaine at all. It makes me paranoid, heart rate goes crazy, and i tend to get anxiety... alot of people like to smoke pot to come down but i just simply cant... which is lame.. I used to be able to smoke while doing/after and now it just messes me up way more.. I almost feel as if smoking pot is way more strenuous to my heart then the Dilaudid)
 
yes, it is safer. You may want to look into a benzo or possibly clonodine or something to lower your heart rate and bp as well as relax you and save the dilaudid for doing by itself.
 
yup i got some benzos coming to me.. just waiting on them actually

I tried a klonopin2mg i believe the first time last weekend, its like the perfect thing for after some cocaine. (i did 4mg i remember now.. 2mg didnt do much at all for me so i took antoehr )

and about the dilaudid im gonna try and avoid it no doubt... I already started on the cocaine with a buddy so im kinda stuck doing coke.
 
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Actually, it is a fallacy that plugging HM has a greater BA than insufflating. There is a discussion on this very topic in the Hydromorphone megathread located in Other Drugs. it is good reading for anyone experimenting with this drug.

(I should categorize that statement by saying the mean BA for rectal HM is ~35%, with an over 1000% deviation, so everyone will have wildly different experiences)
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My bad. I guess my plugging experience is good, I'm lucky. :) But thanks for clearing that up, I don't want to suggest plugging hydromorphone for someone if it wouldn't be the best ROA.

Bioavailability and Pharmacokinetics of Intranasal Hydromorphone in Patients Experiencing Vasomotor Rhinitis
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/493398


Rectal administration of hydromorphone has been evaluated in healthy adults and found to have low bioavailability (33 percent) with wide interindividual variation (1065 percent). Factors potentially influencing rectal bioavailability include poor absorption from the rectal mucosa because of high ionisation, small rectal surface area, slow release from the suppository, reduced contact with the rectal epithelial tissue, and first-pass elimination.
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I would stay away from mixing coke and it as it does a number on your heart.
I mean, do what you wish, it is your body, but its not a great combo.
 
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