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Misc Hydrocodone. Quick Question

ElectricElephant

ElectricElephant

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Hello everyone! I have a dilema. I recently acquired two 7.5-325 Hydrocodone. Im contemplating whether or not it would be worth taking them. I know its a painkiller and I've done some research on it but I've been hearing mixed things about it. Im not looking for an intense, super strong high. Just a little something. Any advice is welcome!
 
No. Don't plug it. He was being a smart ass. No pun intended.

Take 1/2 tab. If it isn't where you wanna be in 1 hr take the other 1/2.


Since you never done it before this is good advice. Some people are sinsitive to hydrocodone if you over due it can cause anxiety is some people.
 
are you honestly telling him hes going to even have a slight chance of feeling anything from half a 7.5mg hydrocodone pill ( 3.5mg hydro) . Come on thats like 30mg codeine lol... take both. 15 mg hydro is perfect for a first time...
 
I happen to agree 15 mg makes for a good first time, but if the OP did not want something too strong (and some are naturally sensitive), I would have suggested one tablet to get a feel for the "opiate effect", and save the other for a rainy day. I do usually recommend 15 mg hydrocodone (orally, that is) for an opiate-naive individual, but he did say "a little something" was what he was looking for. The first experience with an opiate I had was with 5 mg oxycodone, which is equipotent to 7.5 mg hydrocodone. It was euphoric, yes, but not terribly, very contenting, warming, tingly and bubbly, but without any real unwanted side-effects (I like the itch). It was much more enjoyable looking back on it than I might have said during the experience, though - an effect I notice very often with opiate highs. In any event, lower dosing of opiates for the opiate-naive or even for seasoned users w/o real tolerance can be preferable to the user, depending on subjective taste.
 
Just take both, I'm almost positive unless youre a part of the population that's overly sensitive to opiates that if you take 7.5mg you will probably be disappointed, take the 15 and enjoy your blissful euphoria
 
I'd say that 15mg could be a bit much for the first time for a good deal of individuals. We are often quick to forget how efficient low doses are, as once you start going down that road tolerance builds so quickly.

As nice as opiates are, I would first and foremost say, just don't do them if you haven't already. Many people get hooked and caught up in it way too quickly.

If you do proceed, I'd try 1 7.5mg pill, wait an hour, and if that doesn't have you right, add half of a pill, so up to 10mg max. I don't think more than that for the first time is needed.

Also, on a side note, if you get nauseous, sitting down a bit and reclining can help a great deal so your experience won't be ruined.
 
Just for anyone who is inspired to plug do to it being mentioned in one of the opening posts do not as it has a lower BA besides also containing Tylenol even if you CWE.

Also personally I can find good effect with 2.5 MG if I take it, but personally prefer at least 5 mg where 10 mg can be quite strong. I usually take oc at 5-10 mg at a time as well orally or nasally, but usually get up to 15-30 mg in a night unless I combine it with oxymorphone into a blend (best blend ever). Hydros I have done up to 20 mg, but did not notice and major boost in effect for increasing the dose.

As people said start with half and see how you feel with it. First time I used it I ended up using 11 in a few days if not one or two my first time doing it from a 1 year expired script, which I read would still be stable. Personally I find hydrocodone to only be lightly sedating while it produces more analgesia and euphoria leading to what I feel is a more stimulating opiate vs morphine/heroin/dillys/opana that cause major nods.
 
the first opiate I ever tried was hydrocodone 5 milligrams. it was absolutely perfect and I can't imagine that another 2 and a half milligrams would have hurt. I understand those who are telling you to does low are looking out for you, and there's nothing wrong with being on the safe side. But when I took the above mentioned dose, I had never taken anything before.
 
EEhouseEE said:
are you honestly telling him hes going to even have a slight chance of feeling anything from half a 7.5mg hydrocodone pill ( 3.5mg hydro) . Come on thats like 30mg codeine lol... take both. 15 mg hydro is perfect for a first time...
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For me my first opiate I took for chronic pain was tylenol 3 (30mg codeine)

I took 1/2 of the tab and it gave me super euphoria, total pain relief, warm body high, and all around perfect dose.

1 Tylenol 3 = 5mg of hydrocodone.

1 Tylenol 4 = 10mg of hydrocodone (roughly)

When I went up to hydrocodone, 1/2 of a 5mg hydrocodone was perfect.

I found this out before I read the BL equivalency chart.

Tolerance builds so over the past 2 years I'm up to 30-40mg of hydrocodone a day.

Everybody is different when it comes to new drugs.

Also some people have allergic reactions.

That's why you should always take a low dose first. If you have a reaction then the symptoms
Are less and medical professionals have a better chance of treating you.
 
I disagree that plugging hydrocodone has a lower bioavailability than orally, and I would invite anyone to post a source backing that up, but I'm not suggesting that the OP plugs it.

The *codone drugs were formulated for best results to be taken orally, and that's what the OP should do if they're going to use them at all, I don't think that it's a good idea for a first timer to take opioids at all. If they aren't determined to abuse pain killers, we should focus our energy on persuading them against their bad idea.
 
Tricomb is definitely right. Opiate addiction is no joke and is not worth the risk for the recreational effect. For many people it is not worth the addiction risk for using as a pain management drug due to the sheer amount of willpower it takes to not give into the temptation of the drug. Especially with the difficulty dealing with the w/d symptoms and weening off if one is attempting to manage the opiate addiction with opiates only vs. using cannabis to potentate and keep the dose low during the use of opiates as well as reaching for things like clonidine and other compounds that are not addictive to help subside w/d symptoms rather than just hoping that it is easy to ween off with opiates alone.

No one can run away from/avoid a withdrawal. No matter how long or how much used everyone who uses opiates will end up dealing with some level of withdrawal symptoms even if it is not the well known intense physical symptoms that can literally kill someone.bring someone to death without something to help deal with the W/D. Although that takes a long time to develop and most will probably develop a minor discomfort like feeling drained of energy unless they start using for a multi-day period of time. Just remember opiates bring you really far up only to bring you really far down in the end and there is NO WAY to avoid the symptoms except to just suffer through them however long they last, but you are able to make them less severe without opiates... Unless you have W/D symptoms that will literally kill you if not reduced with opiates even if you use other meds to deal with some W/D symtoms.

I will recommend that anyone dealing with W/D symptoms check out the how to deal with W/D thread as they have great information on how to deal with them... Anyways off topic, but good info.
 
To the best of my knowledge opiate withdrawals can't actually kill you, though they sure as hell can make you feel like death. So yes, absolutely, as I said originally, just avoid if at all possible.

I think people were just operating under the assumption that the OP was going to take them anyways, and offering advise on safe dosing.
 
If someone went cold turkey off a dependency where they use 2 grams of pharmaceutical grade heroin (known to be provided in the European country that provides safe heroin for recovering addicts) that they could possibly die from the effects. I could imagine the stress would be enough that there heart gives out, but I don't know as I do not personally know cases and have only heard it is a possibility. I will check into it quickly.

Edit: After a quick search most people seem to agree that opiate withdrawel can not lead to death, but only set off an underlying condition in a weak body. One place stated that opiates that bind to the receptor for a long time can cause it like methadone if used in a high dose for a long enough period of time, but there where no studies or cases so that source may have been pulling info out there ass more so than me. I am going to look into this a bit more

"Opiate w/d causes tachycardia (rapid heart rate) and this can be fatal in those with underlying heart problems" Quoted from an opiodphile post. It seems the bottom line is opiate withdrawal will not cause death and only cause the stress that may make an underlying issue to cause your death vs. alcohol and benzo addiction that can kill you during w/d although that's based off peoples comments and not articles on cases of w/d induced death or studies on it.

Edit 2: Thanks for reiterating what I said as if I was concluding something different.... Also pointing out that benzo class compounds are completely different in action... It totally takes a genius to understand that and there is no way an idiot like me or anyone else who reads this thread would know that fact. It is not like people would understand what I said and it really needed to be rewritten and reiterated by you so people can figure out what I was saying.... I am also pretty sure the 2 gram a day habit is over 24 hours vs 2 gram in a shot, but this was told to me by someone I knew who was studying for substance abuse counselling. It may have been 1 gram a day and it was a rare case.

"I've known people prescribed a full gram per day, but they were quite unusual, and such habits on the street are impossible except for relatively high level dealers. Remember, I'm talking about pure pharmaceutical or number 4 if on the street. There are certainly cases of pain patients receiving larger equivalent dosages of opioids, but I've never heard of one of these beating a 1000/1 ratio." From erowid
 
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True if you have a health problem like a bad heart opiate wd could aggravate the preexisting condition.

Note that I said preexisting condition.

If I was to quit opiates today it would not kill me. I would emotionally unstable, feel really bad, have horrible pain, but would not die.

Most people do not do pharmaceutical grade heroin at high doses.
I would go as far as to say and look like a fool if I'm wrong to say, that there maybe only a hand full of people on here who do pharm grade heroin and if they do it's at a needle type exchange facility and it's no where near 2 grams a day.


I have not known one case of my patients dying from opiate withdrawal from the dr taking away their prescription either abruptly or a very fast taper. These are geriatric people in a nursing home who have heart, kidney, cancer, you name it, they have it. They never died anytime after that fact.

I have seen the drs do extended gradual taper to benzos and watch them very carefully. But that's a totally different drug all together. I am just pointing this out.

My evaluation opiate withdrawal itself will not kill you.
 
meh i guess if you don't do opiates much and don't want too much of a kick it might be worth it, idk. i find that the sensitivity to hydrocodone starts to go down rapidly after you take it a handful of times, especially if you don't space it out much. most people i know say the same. sounds like you haven't done painkillers before but take them both. i really don't think you'll regret it. if you split the dose you risk not feeling much at all.
and i've never plugged pills, but everything i've read about it says something about it being unpleasant to an extent. plus i only know it's good for dope and x, idk what the bioavailability of hydrocodone would be in there and plus you're gonna have all that nasty APAP just sitting in there probably not good for the inside of your butt.. lol.
 
^I don't know what you've read about plugging being unpleasant. It's not unpleasant in any way, shape, or form. Discomfort is a sign that your doing it wrong. Plugging compounded opiates containing APAP is not bad for you at all, they even make APAP suppositories designed for rectal use.

The rectal route is by far one of the most misunderstood, but has an established place in medicine and has for thousands of years. Your rectum was designed to tolerate grosser things than APAP ;)

Again, I'm not advocating that the OP plug hydrocodone, I don't think that they should even try it at all, but there seems to be quite a few misconceptions/misunderstandings about the rectal ROA. The rectal BA is supposed to be equal, if not greater than the oral BA. YMMV.

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Tricomb you forgot to add that rectal BA is lower than most routes of administration. Hydrocodone is one of those compounds perfect to eat as well as oxycodone even though I usually snort roxis over using them orally just for the hell of it. I guess it keeps the dose lower :P
 
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