Opioids Hydrocodone Cold Water Extraction (2nd round)

[Rocko1290]

Firstly, I'd like to say I've got the CWE process down, but I'm wondering how much codone is lost during the process?

Second, has anyone else tried re-filtering the initial separation of tylenol? Like taking the chunk of tylenol which is caught in the filter and re-processing it thru another CWE? Any time I've tried this, the tylenol seems to all dissolve into the water...any explanation for this?

 

[euphoric123]

Back when I used to do this, before my tolerance became waaay too high, I used to re-filter a second time, even though a little Tylenol would seap through. Gotta get every little bit if you know what I mean, even if it takes consuming some Tylenol.

 

[Rocko1290]

Back when I used to do this, before my tolerance became waaay too high, I used to re-filter a second time, even though a little Tylenol would seap through. Gotta get every little bit if you know what I mean, even if it takes consuming some Tylenol.

That's what I'm saying though, that's fine, but in my experience, ALL the tylenol gets through which obviously defeats the purpose. Can anyone else comment? What about how much codone is lost through the process?

 

[sekio]

The losses are usually not more than 5-10%, it's impossible to get a concrete number without lab equipment though.

 

[Oxide]

5-10% sounds about right.

I wouldn't re-filter a second time though.

 

[jackie jones]

I doubt it is more than 5%. I worry more about how much apap is getting through, especially when the amount exceeds 10g. I always find myself thinking "I better not fuck this up..."

When using lots of pills, the solution always comes out white without sediment, and I use a good filter and a small amount of very cold water.

Does everyone find this, or am I doing something wrong?

 

[BrokedownPalace]

^That sounds correct, although what is your definition of a "good filter"? I mainly use(d) heroin, but I would get the occasional prescription for percocet which I would CWE usually 12-15 5/325mg percocets. I would grind them up using a mortar and pestle, and pour the powder into a glass. And then I would take roughly 1 cup of cold water, and pour it over. After stirring briefly, (a minute or two at the most) I would then pour the solution into a wetted coffee filter I had rubber banded onto the top of a seperate empty glass. Without touching it, I would let it drip thru which would take around 10 minutes, and the resulting liquid would be practically clear. Worked like a charm every time, and it certainly was about as strong as it should be compared to taking pills. I would then be left with a solid chunk APAP in the coffee filter. I never found it necessary to do a second extraction.

In the past I had used a t-shirt a couple of times and I found this to create a more 'milky' final solution, more than likely due to the larger size in pores of the filter.

If you aren't using a coffee filter, give that a shot and see how that works. One thing I DID notice, is that if you try and speed the process up by squeezing the mixture thru the filter, it can make more APAP leak thru. So patience is the key, at least in my past experience.

 

[jackie jones]

I use a rayon/silk type material or a dress shirt. It comes out relatively clear if I am doing ~6g apap, but any more than that, it looks like skim milk. I will have to try a coffee filter. I have always been too impatient to try that

Cheers, bdp.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Certainly, buddy. I have never tried a CWE with either of those materials, so I'm not all that sure how it would turn out. It does sound like you are doing it right though. How much water do you use when you're doing an extraction with 10g of APAP in it? You want to use the bare minimum as to allow for as little of the APAP as possible to successfully dissolve into the water.

 

[jackie jones]

Not more than 100ml. Likely about 75.

 

[BrokedownPalace]

Yeah that sounds just fine. I said in my first post that I use about 1 cup, but that was just off of memory so I went and got the glass I use and measured it based on how much I can remember I would fill it, and it actually turns out I would use way less than 1 cup. It turns out I would use about 3 shot glasses full of water, so maybe like 1/3 - 1/2 a cup at most. The amount doesn't have to be exact obviously, so it should work regardless, as long as you aren't using like more than a few hundred mL.

I'm not a pro at CWE's though, someone else could probabbly chime in with some expert noggin' jive.

 

[jackie jones]

I have found that cwes work better with oxycodone than with hydrocodone. Not regarding extraction, just onset. Oxycodone cwes kick in within 5-10 minutes, which is perfect. A delayed rush via oral administration, go figure...

 

[Rocko1290]

The losses are usually not more than 5-10%, it's impossible to get a concrete number without lab equipment though.

That's acceptable.

Has anyone else had an experience where the tylenol disolves completely when filtered a second time? What could possibly be the reason for this? I don't see how the solubility of the chemical compound can alter.

 

[Rocko1290]

Thanks for all the responses. My liquid always, always comes out yellow, or white, depending on the color of the pills. I do squeeze the coffee filter, because if I just let it sit and have gravity do the work, it takes ages..I've let it sit for 15 solid minutes and get nothing more than a few drops thru. In fact, last night I questioned how coffee brews as timely as it does lol.

Questions:

Last night after performing a CWE on some 10/325 hydrocodones, I didn't feel up to taking my last shot. I just let it sit in the fridge overnight. When I woke up this morning to take it, there was some white sediment on bottom. Any clue as to what this could be? Today I mixed up some water and crushed codones, but didn't get around to filtering it before i left to run some errands. The solution had a good couple hours to sit and settle, and upon arriving home, I noticed this same white sediment, in about the same amounts. What could this be? Since it was present in both the pre- and post-filtered solutions, this leads me to believe it is not tylenol and could be filler?

What is the proper amount of water to use per 10mg pill? Or should you base the water quantity on the amount of tylenol you're attempting to extract? The last couple times I've done the process, I've used a little more water than usual thinking it wouldn't have any negative effects and would cause the solution to mix a little better (not as much sediment on the sides of the bottle). It was about a quarter of the water bottle full. The filter seemed to catch about the same amount of tylenol as usual. Thanks for your suggestions.

EDIT* On second thought, it does in fact seem the amount of water directly affects how much tylenol is filtered out. I used quite a bit of water this round for whatever reason and only got a few tiny little chunks of tylenol caught in the filter (from [3] 10/325 yellows). It wouldn't have to do with the fact that I let it sit in the fridge (not freezer) for a few hours, would it?

 

[jackie jones]

^The amount of water certainly affects the extraction. I used to use ~150ml per 10-20 pills, but I cut the amount of water in half and it works better. Also, I never put my solution in the fridge. I always drop the pills in cold tap water then put the solution in the freezer for ~20 minutes until there are ice crystals beginning to form on the edge. I then agitate and filter.

I am going to try something different next time. I need to improve the filter, so I will buy one of those reusable coffee filters. Also, I believe my thinking is wrong about putting the pills in cold tap water then into the freezer. Next time I will crush the pills in a mortar and pestle then add the powder directly into the near freezing water.