Humanity

[Asclepius]

^^^ I hold some of the exact feeling about Organised religion as you and PA but just to reitterate-you cant, with reason, expect people who participate or come from a Religious culture to submit their opinion to insensitive and offensive comments made about their Culture which is a part of their Identity as a human being. We all have a chip on our shoulders over summit or another but have not experienced anyone of a certain Religious Persuasion dissing my Secular beliefs in TDS, or trying to prove a blanket/stereotypical statement made with regard to their own opinion alone. From reading your posts I do believe you are not at all a biggot, but saying you dont Judge people who are religious doesnt hold much merit in conjunction with Statements like

...''humanity is the opposite of religion, religion destroys any chance of such a dream.' ...
'real true love, understanding, and unity of human kind i dont think is possible until we give up the ghost, and religion collapses.'
'Thankfully none of my family are really religious '

If you replace the word 'Religious' here (With Homosexual/Aboriganal/Pagan/any other cultural identity) you'l probably notice how ultimately predjudicial these Statements sound.

Just trying to say what I see here, lets not forget Hannah, HMP and some others in TDS are trying to make sense of their lives, within the context of the Religious denomination they were brought up in, and it may be unconstructively distressing for people to be put down and looked down on simply for what makes up a part of their identity. Didnt think this is what TDS is about?
Peace

 

[Help me please]

^ I'm indeed impressed by your words. You seem to be a truly tolerant person

 

[sog.pain4evr]

thank you

 

[Asclepius]

^^ Ta very much pet Can have an even block on both shoulders as much as anyone though! lol

 

[sog.pain4evr]

Not TDS material. Please read the TDS Guidelines.
I am going to UnApprove our two posts above.

 

[paranoid android]

^^^PA, you are entitled to your own opinion. All I ask is that you keep an open mind about those of us who believe. Till the last maybe 30 years or so most people did go to church (or synogogue, etc.). Personally I think the world and the people in it have changed too much to have time to believe anymore. It's easier to bash people that still do.

You know I bet you'd be pissed if I said that all IV drug users are dirty, stupid, diseased, etc. I've seen one or two living in the streets that met that description. Does that mean that the 20 somethings living in their parents basments are too? Good thing I don't generalize about people!

I think Methodists have now let gay ministers be part of thier church. Not 100% sure but some christian group did. You know the boys scouts are not a religious group but an openly gay man probabaly won't be welcome as a troop leader though I don't see why.

Well you are entitled to yours as well. I have met a few decent religious (well sorta religious) people but it's just my opinion that i think it's all a farce. Also you are wrong on a few things many people where athiests far long ago then just 30 years back. I won't go into quoting a few notibale ones but lets just say there was more persecution towards athiests back in the good old days 8) then there is now. Though it is certainly not uncommon even in todays society. Perhaps the world is just evening out in that both crowds can be bashed equally?

I wouldnt be pissed if you said that about IV drug users i just would take it as a opinion that didnt carry much weight.

As for boy scouts well let's not go there shall we

I think if PA ever met me I would freak him out.

Not unless you yelled "your under arrest on the ground or i'll fucking shoot"

Stand up for what we believe in 'eh?

Thats pretty much by what i go by as well.

 

[Hannah Capps]

Asclepius, thank you for your post.

PIP, I certainly don't think in a face to face conversation either of you would judge. I think if PA ever met me I would freak him out. I am covered in tats but most are religious in nature. Most are very visible. I don't ever preach religion to people. I practice it and it is personal to me. I share my faith with those I go to mass with. I get why religion and politics are two conversations that should not be discussed most of the time. I will put my two cents in when someone makes blanket statements like PA did though. Stand up for what we believe in 'eh?

Hey there Asclepius, I love the fact that you have faith based tattoos My sister has similar ones I myself wouldn't find things of that nature 'shocking' as many who call themselves for Christ el al would...I myself struggle with self-injury many times the lines between reality and the biblical things I study become blurred, where they are meant to be liberating there is a force causing me to see through the 'glass darkly' in my interpretation of the passages I do read...

For example, when I read the passage of Lazarus so moved was I by the simple verse 35 in the book of John saying simply: 'Jesus Wept' I fell asleep after reading this account, and there in my dreams I saw Christ on the cross hanging beside me, I was to His left and too his right was an unknown person...I too was hanging on my own cross nailed in place, and wept tears of blood, Christ turned His head to me with the crown of barbs attached to his head...He said, 'Today you will be with me in paradise' just as He said to the man on His right while He was dieing on the tree...

I woke from this dream shortly after in a trance state 3rd person, there but not there, looking at what I did through a 'dark lens' cutting my arms, and using my own blood to copy the verse I had read, only in my own way the blooded message on the piece of computer paper read: 'I know why Jesus Wept' I still have this paper in my purse, sick some might say...But, to me its a reminder of what I saw in my dreams, and the pain Christ went through to free His children...But, thats just it isn't it? I'm not free by any means...I'm bound to my ache and pain because its all I've known for years...And instead of taking the risk of faith, and jumping into the unknown for perhaps something better then I have now...I'm content to wrap a blanket of blood around my shoulders because its default...

I know more then anyone, I have no right or place to judge anyone, for as I judge others the same will be passed to me...Believe me when I say, I understand judgmental holier then thou attitudes from fellow church goers in regards to my scars and fresh wounds while at church...My operatic voice is something I use to express my love for my King, and also my ache...You can only imagine the 'spectacle' created when my scared bloody arms are raised in worship to God because of His nonjudgmental love for me...My voice tends to stick out to begin with, comments about how 'pretty' it is leave me thinking 'my voice isn't the point but thanks?' Usually followed by, what happened to your arms...I answer truthfully and say I put them there, with there disgusted looks and gossip...Instead of doing as a fellow believer should and praying for them offering help or an ear for listening etc...They offer the opposite, and I've found them to be more cruel then the ones outside of the church walls...

So, thanks for your comments I appreciate them, and hope you'll continue to offer your input as I find value in it

 

[S.M.F.G]

Heres where i sit on humanity, its song lyrics but i identify wit it and IMO it applies to the whole fucking world me included..........

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.

 

[sog.pain4evr]

Heres where i sit on humanity, its song lyrics but i identify wit it and IMO it applies to the whole fucking world me included..........

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will.
I sure could use a vacation from this

Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Fret for your figure and
Fret for your latte and
Fret for your hairpiece and
Fret for your lawsuit and
Fret for your prozac and
Fret for your pilot and
Fret for your contract and
Fret for your car.

It's a
Bullshit three ring circus sideshow of
Freaks

Here in this hopeless fucking hole we call LA
The only way to fix it is to flush it all away.
Any fucking time. Any fucking day.
Learn to swim, I'll see you down in Arizona bay.

Some say a comet will fall from the sky.
Followed by meteor showers and tidal waves.
Followed by faultlines that cannot sit still.
Followed by millions of dumbfounded dipshits.

Some say the end is near.
Some say we'll see armageddon soon.
I certainly hope we will cuz
I sure could use a vacation from this

Silly shit, stupid shit...

One great big festering neon distraction,
I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied.

Learn to swim.

Mom's gonna fix it all soon.
Mom's comin' round to put it back the way it ought to be.

Learn to swim.

Fuck L Ron Hubbard and
Fuck all his clones.
Fuck all those gun-toting
Hip gangster wannabes.

Learn to swim.

Fuck retro anything.
Fuck your tattoos.
Fuck all you junkies and
Fuck your short memory.

Learn to swim.

Fuck smiley glad-hands
With hidden agendas.
Fuck these dysfunctional,
Insecure actresses.

Learn to swim.

Cuz I'm praying for rain
And I'm praying for tidal waves
I wanna see the ground give way.
I wanna watch it all go down.
Mom please flush it all away.
I wanna watch it go right in and down.
I wanna watch it go right in.
Watch you flush it all away.

Time to bring it down again.
Don't just call me pessimist.
Try and read between the lines.

I can't imagine why you wouldn't
Welcome any change, my friend.

I wanna see it all come down.
suck it down.
flush it down.

just to b clear, u want most the world to die in the apocalypse? im all for change, but thats a bit extreme even 4 me

 

[Asclepius]

If you think you would freak PA out its probably just cuz u dont know him

What? lol Why would I, or anyone want to 'Freak PA' out ? Sweet your sticking up for him but think you are interpreting things on a personal level here perhaps? I am not a 12 year old , playing silly power games! I have alot of respect for alot of people here on blue-light, and think its just a reasonable debate about peoples belief systems and what they are entitled to believe. Im probably playing devils Advocate here but I will speak out when people are being labelled as 'wrong' or 'Inferior' because they choose to believe something personally, that is'nt causing anyone any harm.
Sue Me!
What i get really intolerant of is when people take things up the wrong way and when you explain, in as much detail as possible, your point and they still dont get it, they just see what they want to see! ugh....

You strike me as someone who has a low tolerance for intolerance.

Nope, like I mentioned, im intolerant myself in many respects. Just like to challenge Intolerance to see what the Agenda of someone who appears to be intollerant is(Including Myself). Think its constructive to take a bit of responsibility, and be honest about, how/why we interpret whatever has crawled up our ass to make us feel this way.

A bunch of people pretending to be all these things so intensely that they are FIGHTING!!

Yes, Agree totally, Fighting or being Vitriolicly, Passive- Aggressive(by acting like a certain belief system is more valid by willfully trying to subvert another persons values or beliefs through dismissing them) never solves anything constructively. Athiests and Agnostics, Nudists, Scientologists, Alien occultists, Enviromentalists, Nazis, Socialists, Trekkies, Golfers and Housewives et Al - any and every, walk of life has their views and opinions that they like to believe are far more superior to anyone elses...no one is Immune. At the end of the day it is just that, an opinion-no more no less. Sometimes we have to Agree to Differ, and that should be enough. We all make contributions to this world and to this Society by what we believe; People are People, no matter what Cast or Creed, we all differ and were all similar. We all try to compete Egoistically to prove we are following the right direction, by associating with some Social cause/system/paradigm, and, at the end of the day, we cannot prove anything; only that most of us are all looking for something that tries to make us feel more secure in this confusing world. I am a realist but I think we all need our ideals to strive toward to find balance. In the past, people were often persecuted for their belief or non-belief. And people are still persecuted for what is considered out dated or un-poplular, so personally I just want to get over it and accept we have the right to believe or not believe without Judging it and Stereotyping People!!

@ Hannah Eh, tis HelpMePlease thats the Tattoed Lady and wrote that post you quoted up yonder BTW, not Moi!

^Love Aenema, great 'ol song to get the Ire out to!

 

[Asclepius]

The quote by HMP was a personal scentence directed at me and since you quoted that particular scentence out of all the others HMP typed, I drew the conclusion that it was aimed at me.
But glad we got that sorted out......and HMP is actually a She! That is, if you go by her profile
lol

Anyway back to the OP...

I myself struggle with self-injury many times the lines between reality and the biblical things I study become blurred, where they are meant to be liberating there is a force causing me to see through the 'glass darkly' in my interpretation of the passages I do read...

If by this, You mean interpreting the biblical text is causing you distress Hannah, maybe you could give the texts a break, even just for a while and give yourself some peace of mind. If things are weighing you down Hannah you can always look to find a more gentle means of Spiritual discipline in the Interm. It seems to me that you are having a difficult time trying to Express yourself as yourself? Perhaps you could look for someone who is open minded yet grounded in your own faith, who you could express your grievances or worries to, without having to try to reference through a very abstract text?

 

[S.M.F.G]

just to b clear, u want most the world to die in the apocalypse? im all for change, but thats a bit extreme even 4 me

I just sit on th opinion that the whole world is slideing downhill, and we as humans are the main perpertraitors, soon enough our planet will activate its defences and shake us off like a bad case of fleas, The planet will still be here, but we will not, so pack ur shit folks..wer'e goin away, humans will eventualy end up as just another failed species, another genetic mutation gone wrong.
Tool lyrics posted as an example of how i feel (id also had a real bad day yesterday)

 

[Hannah Capps]

My Skull

The quote by HMP was a personal scentence directed at me and since you quoted that particular scentence out of all the others HMP typed, I drew the conclusion that it was aimed at me.
But glad we got that sorted out......and HMP is actually a She! That is, if you go by her profile
lol

Anyway back to the OP...


If by this, You mean interpreting the biblical text is causing you distress Hannah, maybe you could give the texts a break, even just for a while and give yourself some peace of mind. If things are weighing you down Hannah you can always look to find a more gentle means of Spiritual discipline in the Interm. It seems to me that you are having a difficult time trying to Express yourself as yourself? Perhaps you could look for someone who is open minded yet grounded in your own faith, who you could express your grievances or worries to, without having to try to reference through a very abstract text?

Heh, how funny sorry for the mix up You are right in your observation of me as myself in the first person...You should see the inner working of my skull! Being a female with high functioning autism is akin to being trapped between a male way of thinking and a female way of thinking all at the same time Hence the 3rd person being easer too speak through then through that of my combined male and female ways of processing things...Its as I say a Dr. Seuss syndrome thing one and thing two argue and bicker, and myself my full self is the cat in the hat all wrapped up in the brain of my female autism 8)

In regards to the gentleness as in 'easing up with the heavy' I get that a lot from a few I know that are grounded in there faith, more at ease think less, feel more with there faith in Jehovah...Hence me trying to explain a vision I had through the 3rd person, attempting too convey what words sometimes can't express in any person or party...Its something that I cannot plug into my computer with a USB chord and show those around me what I saw, felt and witnessed...Its difficult too not default to the intense heavy things in everything I speak, think and do...It takes effort that frankly I'm to lazy to even make the effort because for folks like myself, it takes more facial mussels to smile then frown, then again underlining depression and autism for a female tends too do that from what I hear from other women in my shoes...

Case in point, a 'manly movie' as the expendables for example...I'll comment on it on youtube, in regards to how I think the carnage is justified because the thing being fought for in the case of the movie the expendables, is that freedom isn't expendable, niter are the mercenaries in the movie by the end of the flick that is what I gathered...But, again thats me, a female would have thought it quiet gruesome and way to 'testosterone charged' with an eye roll from her a male would have loved the 'action and gore' without so much as thinking below the surface of what is seen, and truly perceive the deeper meaning And thats just a 'mindless, plot-less action movie of 2010' the comments too my observation were comical, men: thats deep dude, other men: its just a movie, you're making my head hurt and ruining the experience of it! dike female PM on youtube: you're 'hot' 8) *head desk*

 

[Asclepius]

^Mix up was no problem my dear, just wanted the 'Tattoo Compliment' to go to the right person!

I amn't Autistic and I've got alot of the Your 'Making my head hurt' comments and not on Line!
...and I think I grasp what your saying regarding the whole Gender- Mentality confusion, to a degree,I see that as an Asset though somehow, but by this I dont mean to minimise the confusion and pain that you go through mentally, because it sounds like its real difficulty for you identity wise.

Im a former Self-harmer myself and my concern for you is that your frustration at the world is being taken out on yourself, also, that how you process your Anger internally may be an extreme act; resulting from you having to overcompensate for the lack of freedom/Acceptance, as you see it, in expressing your Emotions in certain areas of your life. Think Self-punishing behaviours are Metaphors, representing someone's trapped Emotional position. It is in itself a form of Expression, albeit an intense and overconcentrated one! Trying to connect to whats inside you and accept yourself and trying not to deny yourself a chance for a relationship with yourself by looking at more creative ways to Express yourself could help and give you more long withstanding relief.
...(Hope Im not projecting too much here!)
I understand your looking for Acceptance from Social Groups and have gone through the pain of Rejections through others ignorance, but hope that you will unravel all the confusion bit by bit so that your relationship with yourself and your body is more connected, wiser and more secure.
Have you been aware of any positives, for you , to being in between a Male and Female mode of thinking?
Are you an Aspie or do you fall somewhere else on the Spectrum?
Do you have any RL support from HF Autistic people; outside your Church group of friends?

^^SMFG-love the way Maynard adds- 'Mom please Flush it all Away...'-taking the piss out of his own sense of victimhood!
How u doin now S?