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Hppd please help :(

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sammycook777

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I have hppd and it sucks

I have the static vision worse at night

my eyes are sensitive to light and the walls and sky is horrible to look at
had this for about 2 months got it from doing mdma

WILL IT GO AWAY HAS ANYONE ON HERE RECOVERED FROM THIS SHIT AND HAD EVERYTHING RETURN TO NORMAL

PLEASE HELP
 
For of all - don't freak out. It's not really your mind that's messed up, it's more of a perceptual disturbance. The way you describe your case, I know of many people who have it much worse than you, and still everyone has hope to recover. Very few cases are diagnosed as permanent HPPD, and I'm certain yours isn't among them. It gonna take several months in which you'll see gradual improvement, but it could be up to whole year until you're fully rid of the symptoms. You need to be patient.
My advise to you is, go talk to a mental health professional. HPPD has no physiological effects, but it's impact on your mental stability can be tormenting. Next, stay away from drugs as much as you can. Don't get yourself deeper into it. And last but most importantly, upgrade your life style. Eat properly and exercise regularly. You wont believe how good those two will do you. Set goals and try to accomplish them. Go out with friends. Just don't stay home with those dark thoughts all day, I know how excruciating that must be.

Bottom line - you will get better soon. By no means did you screw up your life, but you're going through a though period. Do your best to weather it out and become the better person for it.
:)
 
^ Agreed. We're not saying you don't have symptoms that might suck, but real HPPD is a lot more serious than that. I'm not sure if you can get HPPD from MDMA since it is not that psychedelic anyway, but I guess the chances are lower than with potent psychedelics. I have a gut feeling that synthetic cannabinoids can produce HPPD relatively easy and the NBOMe's might also be more prone than the less potent ones. I don't think potency is only a matter of dose. But I absolutely could be mistaken about all of this.

How often have you been taking MDMA? The higher the frequency of use I guess the less surprising it is to get vision disturbances. I would take it as a sign that you are doing it too often, or that you are sensitive to this and cut back your use.

The D in HPPD stands for disorder, and disorders mean that your functioning is impaired because of it. If the visual snow 'sucks', I'm sorry that it does but it is not enough to be called a disorder. But of course if it is bad enough that have trouble driving a car for instance, then it becomes a different story. We are not here to say whether it is right or wrong to give your case the label HPPD though so please let us not fall into lengthy debates about that. It doesn't really chance anything anyway.

Since there are hardly any effective medications for real / severe HPPD anyway, it is not a solution for mild symptoms of it either. Though perhaps mild cases can be remedied better? I don't know actually.

Abstinence i.e. cutting back or stopping your use is the best or only thing you can do.

Rest assured you are not the only one though.
 
Abstinence i.e. cutting back or stopping your use is the best or only thing you can do.
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This.
But you should abstain not only from MDMA, but also from most/all psychoactive chemicals, especially from empathogens(MDMA, MDA, MDEA, methylone, aMT), psychedelics(obviously), and stimulants(they can cause visual disturbances on their own), and cannabinoids(including weed).

Like Solipsis said, there is no real medications for treating HPPD, because this condition is damn rare, but there are various anecdotal reports on different medications. In particular, I often see Clonazepam mentioned as good treatment. However, Clonazepam(as well as other medications) can may things worse.

Also, though I can't judge how strong your visual snow, but I experience quite wide range of various visual disturbances: visual snow, positive and negative afterimages, large lines/spots appearing in the air, occasional patterning, breathing walls, "floaters", etc. And I find them entertaining and funny.

So, I am suggesting another alternative: saying "Fuck it!" to HPPD and stopping to worry(unless visual distortions impair your daily functioning). Even normal people, who never do drugs, can have HPPD-like symptoms.
 
Here are the nice simulators of various visual distortions: VisionSimulations.com
Here is the visual snow simulator. I would say that mine is 14;5, though I can't properly simulate it with this program: it is a lot more regular, and dots have the color of background image with shifted colorfulness(rather than being 100% white).
 
i only done the mdma the once done about 500mg it was my first time and done way to much had the worst comedown ever felt awful for about a month never done any psychodelics before either but i was hallucinating really strongly on the mdma and had a really bad trip at home

and it doesnt debilitate my life its just it can get really annoying when i am trying to read and like i said at night its pretty bad im just looking for hope really that it does go away even if it does take months and months and yes i have abstained from all drugs since it happened and i rarely drink even just want rid it can become really annoying when its a sunny day and i cant even open my eyes properly without sunglasses

oh and i have shown other symptoms such as after images and floaters but i have always had floaters never really bothered me and sometimes its like im seeing sparks and blue flashes of light not just the static
 
It never fully goes away; visual disturbances are due to the fact that
1. You are stressed/anxious (people tend to notice it more)
2. Your eyes are built backwards as fuck
3. Your brain is a wet lump of meat with electricity running around in it.

Everyone sees visual noise at night. It's called eigengrau and is a result of thermal and electrical noise in your brain, nerves, and retina. Floaters are merely blood cells floating around in the blood vessels which are inexplicably in front of your retina... They may be irritating but they are natural "defects" of the human visual system. Sometimes it's a good idea to wear sunglasses anyway :)

If you are having trouble focusing while reading I suggest a vision test. Some eye disorders (namely near/farsightedness) can bring floaters into focus at inopportune times. The only other advice I can give you is to try to stop worrying about it. You will learn to ignore most of the static etc with time.
 
I had quite intense HPPD last year from doing acid every week for months.

But strangely.. it instantly disappeared (the breathing objects etc) after i had my second ego death from two very strong hits of acid... It seemed to have of 'restarted' my brain or something, as now my vision is always in HD And i no longer need glasses.
 
as now my vision is always in HD And i no longer need glasses
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Wow, really?
(Some) Psychedelics definitely makes me see things sharper, but only while I am tripping, and I am not sure if "sharper" == "more detailed", I haven't done any tests.

So, do you see things more detailed, and what was your condition(Myopia/Hypeopia or something else)? How strong was it?
 
allium said:
Wow, really?
(Some) Psychedelics definitely makes me see things sharper, but only while I am tripping, and I am not sure if "sharper" == "more detailed", I haven't done any tests.

So, do you see things more detailed, and what was your condition(Myopia/Hypeopia or something else)? How strong was it?
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Well i'm blind in one eye. (eye nerves didn't develop properly) (i only have about 95% vision in my right eye) and when i'm on psychedelics such as LSD I get about 50% of vision in the eye, which is truly amazing and such a good experience for me every time i do it, as i've never experienced seeing fully out of both eyes.

I just generally have poor eye sight, i needed glasses as things seemed much further away than they actually are..

But this specific acid trip i did 2 strong hits and blacked out for a couple hours. As i finally came back to earth i could see everything as it should be. Things were the right distance, i had depth perception and permanent HD vision (as you described it, everything is in detail) and this was last year in july. Its been like this ever since, and its brilliant =D
 
Wait, depth vision? You just said you have been blind since birth in one eye due to nerves not developing properly which = NO DEPTH PERCEPTION. So you are saying in one period of several hours of your ego-death blackout, LSD caused spontaneous nerve regrowth AND trained your unconscious brain to utilize the new signals (which in reality would ALWAYS take significant time) and like magic you instantly had HD Depth perception?

Allium, it's not "amazing" its bullshit.

This same person posted that he absolutely hates methoxetamine in the B&D thread for MXE, having just prior posted in the recent topic on Sex & Psychedelics that MXE with weed and MDMA (which many have specifically warned against due to dangerous interactions) was "hella fucked up" which in context would usually mean "great", then posted "don't do this combo, it's horrible" but followed it with a wink. wtf?

Something is NOT RIGHT here. I say valae is pulling our collective troll chain, and that we view anything he posts with several large grains of salt. He apparently has no clue that posting random jokey BS in this group can put people's lives in danger.
 
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Wait, depth vision? You just said you have been blind since birth in one eye due to nerves not developing properly which = NO DEPTH PERCEPTION. So you are saying in one period of several hours of your ego-death blackout, LSD caused spontaneous nerve regrowth AND trained your unconscious brain to utilize the new signals (which in reality would ALWAYS take significant time) and like magic you instantly had HD Depth perception?

Allium, it's not "amazing" its bullshit.

This same person posted that he absolutely hates methoxetamine in the B&D thread for MXE, having just prior posted in the recent topic on Sex & Psychedelics that MXE with weed and MDMA (which many have specifically warned against due to dangerous interactions) was "hella fucked up" which in context would usually mean "great", then posted "don't do this combo, it's horrible" but followed it with a wink. wtf?

Something is NOT RIGHT here. I say valae is pulling our collective troll chain, and that we view anything he posts with several large grains of salt. He apparently has no clue that posting random jokey BS in this group can put people's lives in danger.
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chill bro he didnt say he regained vision in his blind eye...he said he gets some vision in it while hes trippin'
 
^ and u can have depth perception with one eye, 2 eyes just make it a ton better...if lsd made his working eye have better vision then that would improve his depth perception as well.
 
DwayneHoover said:
Wait, depth vision? You just said you have been blind since birth in one eye due to nerves not developing properly which = NO DEPTH PERCEPTION. So you are saying in one period of several hours of your ego-death blackout, LSD caused spontaneous nerve regrowth AND trained your unconscious brain to utilize the new signals (which in reality would ALWAYS take significant time) and like magic you instantly had HD Depth perception?

Allium, it's not "amazing" its bullshit.

This same person posted that he absolutely hates methoxetamine in the B&D thread for MXE, having just prior posted in the recent topic on Sex & Psychedelics that MXE with weed and MDMA (which many have specifically warned against due to dangerous interactions) was "hella fucked up" which in context would usually mean "great", then posted "don't do this combo, it's horrible" but followed it with a wink. wtf?

Something is NOT RIGHT here. I say valae is pulling our collective troll chain, and that we view anything he posts with several large grains of salt. He apparently has no clue that posting random jokey BS in this group can put people's lives in danger.
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Its not bullshit, its the truth and why are you bringing my other posts into a completely different thread? u didn't say ive permanently gained vision in the eye im saying i get a little bit of vision in the eye during the peak of the trip. Psychedelics work on the brain in mysterious ways, but however its effected me, its a good benefit to my eyesight im just giving my experience. :)
 
Yeaaah, I may be wrong, but isn't saying you blacked out on 2 hits of acid (oxy)moronic? I, too, have negligible depth perception and taking acid only makes parallel parking a farther walk to the curb. Pass the salt.
 
OK man whatever. It all just sounded really inconsistent and random and nonsensical. You love it MXE in dangerous combos for sex, no you hate it, etc. Seemed like a sign of a troll but whatever, sorry to be so harsh, but people coming here just to yank our chains makes me upset.

Anyway true depth perception with one eye is totally impossible. It's call "binocular vision." and it's just how things work.

And he said when he came OUT of the ego-depth blackout that he now had perfect "HD" (whatever the hell that is) vision WITH "depth perception" so it sounded like he was no longer tripping.

It is truly amazing that psychedelics have caused an eye with an undeveloped nerve to start working. You ought to contact some university medical center and offer yourself up for study or something. My guess would be that the psychedelic is causing your brain to HALLUCINATE signals from the blind eye, based on what it is being received with the good eye.
 
Well, Dwayne, I tend to believe people, even people who post on online forums. Maybe I'm too naive. :)

My guess would be that the psychedelic is causing your brain to HALLUCINATE signals from the blind eye, based on what it is being received with the good eye.
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Yeah, I thought about this too. Perhaps valae could clarify this.
I remember I read a post of someone, who saw coherent visually patterns both eyes, when he closed one leaving another one opened. I never was able to reproduce such things, though I never tried hard(only for a few seconds). I think this can be related to the described phenomenum.
 
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