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How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

Folley said:
I have "speculations" that say the exact same thing about these pills from a variety of people, including WeetVanWanten who is one of PR's most respected members.




Here are some excerpts from people on PR who have little to no knowledge of this debate


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About the Q Dances, but there's not much info on them






You can find the same kind of comments in the Triforce and Speaker reports...



and this is what Weet has to say about the whole matter, although I must say I disagree that different synth routes have different effects, but as you can see he thinks there are differences too
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At no point does anyone say anything about isomer variation, the quality of of the MDMA can vary but thats just obvious.
 
I live in holland and I get the 180 mg's pills and I think you guys are shouting bullshit. I see NO difference from that video, and raves I go to. 2 pills gets me rolling for 5-6 hours. 1 keeps me high for about 4 or 5. I get how it feels. Orgasmic, bonding with other people, eyes vibrating out of your head... all that jazz. Don't try to bullshit people that MDMA was somehow better in the old days. YOU are just getting crappy shit. Theres a difference.
 
I'm so mad I only started rolling 3 yrs ago. I missed a wonderful time in American history.
 
Naw dezz it isn't that I'm getting crappy shit believe me. I still get all those fun little effects from it, its the intensity of the love that was felt through the core of you that has gone missing since the last time I felt it in 07.
 
@dezz - You could be right...I'm glad someone from Holland chimed in. I've wanted to get over there for a long time to see if the pills you're getting now are as strong as their dosage would indicate. And, yes, no doubt compared to Holland I am getting crappy shit. However, Holland is a real exception because the laws and sentencing (from what i've heard) are much less severe for manufacturing mdma. This would mean perhaps it's still being made consistently with how the the old pills were over there...or at least is being made with a high dosage like the old ones here. Dosage does make a huge difference.

Take my earlier example of the oxys. An 80mg oxy vs. a 30mg oxy is just an enormous difference. And no matter how many 30s you snort, you ain't gonna get to where an 80 will take you. So, perhpas it all has to do with how the mdma is absorbed in the body. Without the high concentration pills, it just might not get absorbed fast enough cause of cuts and fillers to give the same high. As far as molly goes, it's the same thing...it's very cut up over here.

I think if we had more comments from people in places that still get high grade powder and pills, we might have a clearer answer on this. I do remember hearing conflicting opinions, though, even from people in Holland on the strength of todays pills vs 90s pills. If this is the case, and dezz is being honest and accurate with his description, then maybe, just maybe, it could be a combination issue of tolerance, setting, seratonin depletion + weaker dosage/concentration pills...except Holland of course ;-)
 
Nah I get it. I fall in love with complete strangers aswell, complete unity love and respect for everyone around you etc. And alot of other people I know get that aswell. I don't think this has to do with quality of pills at all.
TBH the most reasonable option was maybe there was abit more speed mixed in the pills. Another factor is the vibe that was going around. MDMA was on the rise and every man and his dog was doin it lol. Maybe the difference is the people nowadays and the raves your going too. However, that 90 vibe IS STILL AROUND, you just have to look for it. The only thing that's actually changed is the music.
Edit: George, the pills are quite high in mg's. Our molly is just as crap as yours however. Not adulterated but cut to shit.

I can honestly say though one pill gets an average roller mangled and drowning in euphoria for 4-5 hours. Most people take halves and get off just fine. I once had weaker pills, I didn't know excactly how much was in them but I'd guess around 120 mg's.

I think you're right about downing more pills not being the same as all in one. I had to pop 3 of those to feel what I normally feel from just one strong pill... That's 300 mg's plus to get the same feeling I get from one 180... so from experience perhaps your on to something...
 
I still hit parties once in a while with a 90s ish vibe, but it's not a consistent thing of course...I would argue partly due to the poor availability of mdma. I hit one this weekend actually. Anyway, I'm starting to really think its a concentration/purity thing. I have some molly now that tests strongly for mdma on marquis, mecke and mandellin. However, it has a huge inactive cut and a very slight pipe cut according to the pipe test, which I'm told may react to anything.

So, i'm of course trying to get a hard roll going by uping the dose...it's not happening...can't happen. Sat. night I took a .5 followed by another .5 an hour later and another .5 sometime later in the night. Did puke after last dose, BUT it wasn't from the mdma...was from the cut. How do I know this? I wasn't rolling hard. I was rolling, but I BARELY chewed my gums. Even medium dose pills a couple years ago would have me chew my gums to hell. And, not very strong eye wiggles. Decent empathy/euphoria. It amazes me this shit tests so well...I mean straight to black in a few seconds.

Anyway, I'm just saying I really am starting to think now its the concentration and purity. Here in the NE area of US, we just don't have it like we used to...not even close.
 
.5 and you didn't roll hard? shit man that's bad... try some pressies that are well known... molly is almost always cut
 
It's not a place I usually go in talking about "unmentionables," but it's kinda necessary right now. I've eaten dutchie presses and the straight rocked molly from our euro brothers. In fact I haven't taken any American MDMA aside from Mints in god knows how long and keeping myself to proper breaks from it. They still have fallen short to me in the intensity.

I dunno. I'm just starting to sound like a broken record though. But other older rollers around me that have taken the same high quality presses and rocks say the same thing. You're definitely not alone George.
 
georgewc2001 said:
I still hit parties once in a while with a 90s ish vibe, but it's not a consistent thing of course...I would argue partly due to the poor availability of mdma. I hit one this weekend actually. Anyway, I'm starting to really think its a concentration/purity thing. I have some molly now that tests strongly for mdma on marquis, mecke and mandellin. However, it has a huge inactive cut and a very slight pipe cut according to the pipe test, which I'm told may react to anything.

So, i'm of course trying to get a hard roll going by uping the dose...it's not happening...can't happen. Sat. night I took a .5 followed by another .5 an hour later and another .5 sometime later in the night. Did puke after last dose, BUT it wasn't from the mdma...was from the cut. How do I know this? I wasn't rolling hard. I was rolling, but I BARELY chewed my gums. Even medium dose pills a couple years ago would have me chew my gums to hell. And, not very strong eye wiggles. Decent empathy/euphoria. It amazes me this shit tests so well...I mean straight to black in a few seconds.

Anyway, I'm just saying I really am starting to think now its the concentration and purity. Here in the NE area of US, we just don't have it like we used to...not even close.
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There's either something wrong with your MDMA or you're tolerance is fucked. 8)
 
@dez...the pressys here in nyc area are worse than the mol at the moment...it's a sad state here but a little birdy told me the moon many be shining soon ;-)
 
WOW. ok lol. all i know for sure is that dutch pills rocked my socks!!! LOL!! i think all the old skool guys need to take a nice looooooong break. then pop dutchy and see what happens then.

oh yeah, and honestly i would NOT mess with "molly" anymore. people are cutting it with all kinds of shit that looks to test good but its fooling you. PMMA results look alot like MDMA. so they just take a bit of MD throw some PMA and meth. i dont know this for sure but thats what i think. although im SURE that SOME people can get 80%+ pure. i dont like the mystery of crystals so im stickin to good reputable press's. cause these assholes are figuring out ways to fool test kits now for sure i think. thats just my 2 cents on "molly" these days.
 
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Glowing aaron said:
At no point does anyone say anything about isomer variation, the quality of of the MDMA can vary but thats just obvious.
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Try reading 8)




I'm like 50% sure this has to do with dwindling serotonin levels as you get older. It explains 100% of everything... and no offense Blah, but I would assume someone who knows how to party hard like you would lose more 5-HT over time than a regular human who doesn't roll...





Less serotonin means less love, less empathy... less of the effects overall. Well.. isn't that what you old timers are complaining about?



PRETTY SURE that's the explanation for this.... sure as hell makes more sense to me than every batch of a molecule that can't change after a certain point being different from everything that came before it..
 
^^^^^^very good point Folley. i couldnt have said it ANY better bro. i think Folley is right.......as usual lol.

so im sorry to all the OG's but Folley makest the most sense for sure.

basically, in a nutshell. you are just getting old lol.

and the fact is we dont know everything about the brain and how serotonin work yet. there are jus way too many variables thanks to the complexity of the human body.
 
I'd say if thizzlemonster said everything he wanted to say in one comment instead of making numerous comments one right after another he'd have only 40 comments. He'd still b a greenlighter lol sorry had to say it. I mean there is an edit button if u want to add to a comment.

No pill I have ever taken including pure molly and or imported pills have ever made me feel as good w an intense and full filling feeling as my first gladies experience. From defs to speakers to whatever else the Dutch can and will throw my way for some reason it just doesn't hit me as fucking good as those godamn gladies. Sorry if this is off topic but wanted to share me thoughts! I guess my point being why not if its all made the same way as even 3 years ago?
 
^It is not mainly the getting old thing that is the issue...you guys are just flat out wrong. I rolled pretty goddamn good and blind in the fall of 2009 and had a hell of an afterglow on some very special molly. Now, you're telling me that in 3 years, my serotinin levels are suddenly gone...lol...please don't argue with xperience. You will know what I mean when you get older...both you and folley...just be patient and see. There is no substitute for experience...NONE. Could getting older be a small part of it? Yes, but not to this degree. I think the main issue is the concentration and purity of the mdma today...outside of mainly Holland, it's clearly not there.
 
^ You get shitty MDMA you have to take a gram and a half of... so I think you should be excluded from this conversation :\

No offense...



But I mean if you're not getting the same purity you did then, yeah, no shit it's not going to be the same... you're getting shitty MDMA instead of a product that is very high in quality.

I'm much more interested in hearing from Blah or other users who can actually get a quality product.... he's pretty much the reason I've given this any thought at all and simply not written it off as a quality and tolerance problem
 
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