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How we rolled in the 90s when the pills were super strong

I've been thinking on this topic for a long time and already commented once. I started thinking again, and now in retrospect I have to say without a doubt that the mdma I've gotten post 2007 has been different...with the exception of a couple isolated experiences in 2009 when I had some molly that was unbelievable...not sure what that was about except I believe it was coming from a small time "friends and family" chemist...probably why it was so short lived.

Anyway, there just is no question that rolling back in the 90s was a WAY more intense experience. I mean 2-3 pills would have me rolling in a way and harder than is possible on 10 pills today. The best parallel I can give is what happened when they stopped making the 80mg oxys. They still make the 30s, but snorting 3 30s still gets you nowhere near what snorting one 80 would do. The difference in effects of 90s mdma vs todays mdma is similar...no matter how much I take, I can't get the same type of high.

And...tolerance is not the issue. Otherwise, I'd see people rolling as hard as I used to, which I don't. There is something missing from the high...it's just not as deep in the body and as intense on the mind as it used to be...also doesn't last nearly as long.
 
And...tolerance is not the issue.

Otherwise, I'd see people rolling as hard as I used to, which I don't. There is something missing from the high...it's just not as deep in the body and as intense on the mind as it used to be...also doesn't last nearly as long.


But those two things contradict each other completely lol...



I'd say people getting older and not having as much energy/vitality that they used to has something to do with it as well, which again, just comes down to set and setting (the first one, mindset, is the most important after all)
 
I'm not sure how they contradict each other. I'm saying I have a high tolerance, which one could say is the issue at hand. However, I have friends with very low tolerances and they are not rolling as hard as I used to when I had a low tolerance...understand what I'm saying?

As far as age goes...I'm in the best shape of my life so that doesn't apply here. The main point I'm trying to get across is that in retrospect, the experience today is just nowhere close to what it used to be...I'm mean it's so much less intense and more diluted there's no doubt in my mind somethings up...what that something is I don't know. The pills just don't have the kick they used to.
 
there just is no question that rolling back in the 90s was a WAY more intense experience. I mean 2-3 pills would have me rolling in a way and harder than is possible on 10 pills today. The best parallel I can give is what happened when they stopped making the 80mg oxys. They still make the 30s, but snorting 3 30s still gets you nowhere near what snorting one 80 would do. The difference in effects of 90s mdma vs todays mdma is similar...no matter how much I take, I can't get the same type of high.

And...tolerance is not the issue. Otherwise, I'd see people rolling as hard as I used to, which I don't. There is something missing from the high...it's just not as deep in the body and as intense on the mind as it used to be...also doesn't last nearly as long.

yessir! WAYYYYYY MORE INTENSE!

The empathy is not the same. The euphoria is not the same. Seriously the shit back then had you almost in tears the empathy and connectivity was so incredible. I felt nearly there in Jan 2012, 6 MONTHS AGO, on the Green Bowling Ball Mints AFTER my full on re-introduction to the scene in 2009 and a lot heavier use to boot than I ever did pre 2007.

Sooooo...2 1/2 years of frequent use and still got extremely close to old skool levels of rolling vs the 2 1/2 years prior on a hell of a lot less tolerance taking "the same MDMA as has always been made for the last hundred years?" I don't think so. The numbers don't jive.
 
Lol...thank you...I actually tried to quote you from one of the earlier pages cause I agreed with what you were saying...was dead on but the quote thing wasn't working.

Anway...that is what I'm trying to get at....the experience was WAYYYYYYY MORE INTENSE...yes! I mean like a fucking significant emotional experience that left you touched for days and that you won't forget for life.

That is not happening anymore. I am very jealous you got even close to there but the mints have an amazing rep. Goddamn, I gotta get my hands on some.

And what you said about when you experience that roll...like when your tolerance was already up is evidence that tolerance is not the issue...as I had said.
 
I'd say people getting older and not having as much energy/vitality that they used to has something to do with it as well, which again, just comes down to set and setting (the first one, mindset, is the most important after all)

I'll battle this one to the death folley. When it's play time I'm always 1 of 2 ppl still standing after a 36 hour runner while everyone else in our crew has thrown in their towels and they're plenty younger than me. I've probably got more energy and vitality the last year than I ever did in my late teens/early 20's. Yes even having kicked the amphetamines as the ace up my sleeve to do so.

Check out how many rollers there are that didn't start till their 50's and have a bad ass time then come tell me the old fuckers can't roll because of lack of life in their bones pppppppphhhhhh...
 
What you're trying to tell me is that ALL the MDMA, stuff made from different synthesization routes and in many different settings, all has a diminished effect compared to ALL the MDMA of the past that was made using the same synthesization routes that vary quite a bit, and was probably made in less ideal settings..


I guess I just don't get it lol...




I mean, I'm all for using subjective reports as evidence... but I mean that's not all you can go on... especially when the real evidence points to just the opposite
 
I think what he's saying is that in doing our best to give an unbiased opinion....we just have to say that the level of difference in experience between the 90s and today is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO significant that there has to be something going on other than tolerance.
 
@ blah blah...I'm the exact same way...I party kids in their 20s into the ground...they can't hang with me...not the other way around, so age isn't it.
 
High quality MD is still around if you know the right people, just not typically in pill form. Still great parties with great vibes. Sure the scene is different but change happens.
 
Folley do you think it is just mere coincidence that it's the Bowling Balls that always stand out in most mint-heads minds as the best mints they've had? How many times have you heard that one? It wasn't the amount of MDMA in em. It was the certain....what the French call "I dont know what?" It's exactly what it is. I don't goddamn fucking know what, but it's there.
 
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I'm not about to go onto PR and search out all the quotes to prove that aspect of the argument. They're there.

Again, why would this debate even be alive from multiple people if it didn't hold any water?
 
lol I didn't say that was the only thing causing it.



Your first rolls are always the best, especially 10 years later. Of course the older rollers are going to look back and wish for the "good old times" again.


I guess I don't mean energy per-say, but more the amounts of serotonin that are in the brain. Pretty sure I've read studies that say serotonin levels decrease naturally over the years.


you just lost some credibility in my eyes

LMAO if you misunderstanding me caused me to lose credibility with you, then I'm glad it's gone buddy. Because I've seen a ton of misinformation coming from you.
 
How long do you think you'd need to wait for th magic of the first time to come back after total stim abstinence? A decade? Two three? Never? 60?
 
Pretty sure I just found the explanation for all of this.


The serotonin system, an aspect of the brain's neurochemical structure associated with behavior and mood, has been shown to substantially decline with age, according to research with living humans ages 18-76 at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center.

http://www.pslgroup.com/dg/4098E.htm






Knew it had to do with set and setting.
 
i think the new chemist changed the style of making MDMA. its just not how they used to be like back then people actually took pride at their work.

perfect example: look at old schools toys or cars ect. the material wasnt cheap it was good, strong and lasted long and look at it now its all cheap and bullshiet. everything breaks easily and using cheap materials and also doing poor jobs. =T

but here is my theory about MDMA :

example: its say 10G of mdma only have purity of 60% meaning only 6G is mdma (most people just sell it like that)
but if you adds another step to purifies it to 95% + its becomes more purified but the compromise is you will ends up with less than 6g of mdma after you purifies it. which is good cause its a lot stronger.

remember its just a theory so im just assuming shiet.
 
I think it's more that the easily obtained good quality precursors have been heavily restricted. Now a lot of MDMA is being synthed through different methods from different precursors, and naturally, the quality and nature of the orginal source material will have an effect on the final product.

I may be dead wrong, but I think it's pretty close to the money.

MDMA crystals are pretty easy to source, there's no glut. They found ways around the restriction of the original source product, and adapted pragmatically. But there are too many subjective influences on it though. The "pills were better back in the day crowd has had 2 decades of abuse, and degeneration, of course they subjective experience will be diminished. And humans have a habit of glorifying the past, especially to days when we were younger and naturally had more energy and optimism.
 
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