how to safely prepare nbome for consumption

[no more feds]

OK, sorry. I didn't realize we weren't allowed to have more than one account. I'll just do this instead.

I want to die from a 25i-nbome overdose about as much as I want to be buried alive, so I would like to know how to safely put nbome chemicals on some delivery system.

I am trying to put it on either sugar cubes or paper. Yes, I've searched and read a lot. I know the basics, I have a very good scale, I understand the math and measurements, etc.

I like sugar cubes better than blotting paper, because I already have everything I need to do it, and because I have a bad feeling about ordering sheets of blotter paper. It seems to scream 'arrest me" to buy sheets of perforated blotter paper. Also, it seems a whole lot could go wrong while laying the sheets.

I made one sugar cube but it didn't do anything. They make you salivate alot and the nbome was not complexed. But now I have some polysorbate 80, so maybe it will work now?

Questions.
1. Has anyone used sugar cubes successfully?
2. HOw much polysorbate to use? It's in liquid form, so I can't use simple ratios of 4 to 1 or whatever.
3. How much liquid will the average 2.5 Sheet hold?
4. Is it safe to use isopropyl alcohol as the solvent?
5. People have died from this, right? What doses did they take, and what is the highest dose you've taken?

 

[alasdairm]

anon -> bdd

alasdair

 

[Venrak]

I think that the sugar cube method is flawed for drugs that require buccal or sublingual administration, but I may be wrong. I see you running into the same saliva problem times and time again unless you find some way around.

I'm going to kick this over to PD, as you are going to get much better answers for all aspects of your question.

BDD -> PD

 

[EarthBounded]

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/670462-N-benzyl-phens-may-not-be-as-selective-as-we-once-believed

 

[marsmellow]

Isopropyl alcohol is safe to use as a solvent for blotters, except for the obvious fire hazard while they are drying. Not sure how good NBOME chems will dissolve in it, though.

 

[Solipsis]

From personal experience I can tell you isopropanol works quite well.

 

[psood0nym]

You're likely to swallow it if you use sugar cubes. Liquid insufflate using an insulin syringe following my quoted post below. Buccal methods are more unreliable and are therefor more dangerous. The variability in absorption and the increased onset time combined with the rapid development of strong tolerance makes it more difficult to find "your" dose initially. Personally, I essentially know where I'm going to be with 25c with this method in 15 minutes. Because of its faster onset an more reliable absorption (assuming clear nose) liquid insufflation allows you to stagger up slowly 100 ug or so at a time to find where you want to be. It may still take a few sessions to find your dose since tolerance effects may start kicking in within an hour or so, so don't reduce after then. Wait 2 weeks until the next session to allow tolerance to return to baseline, then start with where you worked up to last time.

Also, do follow the link in post #4 above. "Safely" is relative with NBOMes much more than with most psyches. Because of reported emergencies within semi-normal dosage ranges (I believe at under 2mg) there is potentially less margin for error than with any other psychedelic if you happen to be sensitive to NBOMes, and there's no telling anything by your reaction to other psyches either. For this reason you shouldn't give "your dose" to friends because it might just send them to the hospital or the morgue. If you're looking for a trip with your friends as soon as you get an RC use 4-AcO-DMT or something safer. They need to work up to their individual 25I dose just like you're going to.

Heh, I just posted the following in another thread. It's funny because I ended it by saying I've already posted it before in the Big and Dandy 25C thread but people don't read extensively so I doubt many have seen it -- then here's this question. Just liquid insufflate small amounts at a time to stagger the onset. Anyhoo:

[This method will only work for water soluble drugs, and I believe some of the NBOMes are in insoluble freebase form -- test solubility first! Also, the onset of liquid insufflated 25I may not be as fast as 25C, and so the small-step titration method described below may not work as conveniently for it, IDK. Titration of eyeballed "small" amounts not weighed independently with a mg scale is still reckless and could end up killing you or your friends. If you don't have a scale you can get a cheap mg scale that's not ideal but better than nothing for under $40 (there's threads on this already). Syringes can be purchased online or, more cheaply, at your local pharmacy (contingent on your local syringe policy).]

You can use syringes for liquid insufflation. I weigh out around 10 mg of something like 25C and then dissolve in X insulin units of water such that 10 units = 250 mg, and then draw up 10 units (for U-100 syringes 100 units = 1 mL, I believe, so 10 units = 0.1 mL). Then I cut the very end of the syringe cap off so that when the cap is put back on the needle it creates an open-ended safety sheath extending just beyond the length of the needle. I test the syringe with normal water to make sure the squirt stream comes straight out without hitting the lip of the sheath. Then the NBOMe solution loaded sheathed syringe is stuck deep up my nostril and I squirt the solution straight in (might want to test this with normal water first). The pressure of the stream is strong enough that I don't even have to snort, and the volume of the solution is low enough that I don't have to worry about it overflowing the nasal cavity and dripping back out or down the back of my throat. It deposits the dose exactly where you want it. Then I just do the same until I get to 750 ug - 1 mg. Onset is rapid for liquid insufflated 25C so even if your mg scale is somewhat off for the original 10 mg you can still precisely titrate up this way in safely small steps until you know how many units = where you want to be. [I already posted this method and it was confirmed as successful by others in one of the NBOMe threads but I figured plenty of people have overlooked that post at this point]