Bupe how to quit?

[severin]

hi everyone.
i have a story id like to share with you guys.
all my life since i remember to be me i was addicted or at least taking something to change my state of mind,started on alcohol,then came hash,ecstazy,mdma,acid,coke you name it even thought i just didnt tried everything only cause i couldnt find where i live,otherwise i would .i have a vary addictive personality.
but from all these errors the one that really left a mark were coke,as crack mainly and of course opiates,pill form such as codeine,not oxys and a lot other stuff cause u cant find them where i live.anyway worse abused was heroine,and how much it did take away frim me,friends etc etc....
so to put it short i am now on a program where i take 8 mg of subutex a day eventhught i tried 4mg a day and it worked just fine if not even better.
my question is fro the boves i have left,cant remember exactly how many maybe 5 or 6 boxes x 7 8mg pills.please can anyone tell me the best way to tapper down until quite,also i work i cant have days off.please help me ill be so greatfull,i want to see life on the other side now,
tell me if i forgot useful info,ill post it but help me ok?peace to u all

 

[OpiYum]

i have heard people say that it is eeasier to taper when iv'ing bupe. supposedly, with sublingual ur supposed to do a stairstep schedule like 6,6, 4, 6, 4, 4, 4, 2,4, 2, 2, 2, something like that even 1 mg at a time or .5 mg when even lower.

i could never taper off bupe bc i felt like shit from PAWS or whatever (it doesn't work for me). im taping using h, a short acting opiate, with my parents help. surprisingly its working for the most part.

 

[severin]

thanx opiyum,was it so horrible the experience are the wiyhdrawals that bad?im on them for 3 months and i never had real wt full on so to say but this time i guesss ill have to thanx agai and gud luch with youse..

 

[hydrochron]

The best way to quit bupe is to do a fast taper, bite the bullet and cold turkey. Do this and you'll be flipping around like a fish and sick for 2 weeks straight.

The hard part about it is you can just take another tablet to feel better, so honestly just stop and tough it out, have everything comfortable at your house. It's not that bad if you really want to quit.

 

[dankstersauce]

I've tried to quit bupe and failed multiple times. IMHO it's really painful and probably worse than kicking a medium sized heroin addiction...at least in my opinion. Bupe has a weird way of letting you feel like you're getting over being sick and then getting hit by a withdrawal truck and then feel better and then get hit by a truck again....over and over. At least when you kick heroin you progressively get better and by day 5 or 6 you feel noticeably better.


The best way to do it is to stay at less than 1 mg for at least a week, then skip doses every other day and then slowly take less and less until you're just taking little suboxone crumbles. Also most suboxone doc's will prescribe clonidine to help you taper off bupe. And in my experience the only time I successfully quit bupe was with the help of clonidine and benzos....which led to benzo addiction which led to bupe and over and over.

Seriously man, I'm like you, I've been getting fucked up nearly every day for the past 10 years and the sooner you taper off bupe the better. Just make sure you have all the OTC withdrawal goodies, clonidine and 3-5 days to do nothing. And although bupe is a nice safety net it really only keeps you opiate dependent the longer you stay on it. And the longer you stay on it the worse/longer the withdrawals.

 

[jamesBrown]

I have been taking bupe for quite some time now and I have gotten to a point where I have maximized the beneficial effects I get from the bupe and at the same time I am not addicted or dependent on the drug in any way.

I decided to take 2mg's a day when I started the program in stead of the prescribed 12 mg dose. I had researched and read that taking less of the the drug yields more beneficial effects....and I have found this to be completely true. I quickly lowered my dose from 2 mg's to 0.5 mg doses and each time I lowered it it felt more and more euphoric. Now I have been extremely happy at taking doses at such a low level because it gives me a small euphorical "high" every time, it gives me good, natural feeling energy during the day, and it seems to act as an anti-depressant, lifting my mood.

SO, I always recommend these low doses to everyone taking suboxone/subutex/bupe..etc...

Anyway, my point is, that somewhere along the line I had decided to take small breaks from taking the drug to see if the euphoria I felt when I dosed again would be even stronger and this too turned out to be true. but for the most part I take my dose(s) every single day and enjoy my life.

But one day I decided to see if I was actually dependant on bupe because I heard of all these other people complaining of the horrible, long lasting withdrawals they get when trying to quit. So I took a week off with no troubles/withdrawal whatsoever.....and then a few weeks later I tried taking a 2 week break and had the same result....no withdrawal. So the obvious conclusion is that I am not dependant on bupe in any way because I am able to stop taking at any time for as long as I want with no ill effects.

I believe I am able to do this because of the low doses I take and because I have been taking these low doses for such a long time. Therefore, my reccomendation for someone in your position is to lower your dose to under 2 mg's and enjoy the euphorical highs that comes with those dose levels. Then, lower it even more until you find a comfortable dose that works for you(I would think it should be around 0.2-0.7 mg's). Then, stay at this dose for atleast 2-4 weeks, and then see how hard it is to quit taking the bupe. You may feel slight withdrawal symptoms, so you should then, lower your dose even further, stay at that dose for a couple weeks(or maybe only one week, whatever works), and then drop off, and see how it goes. I have a feeling that if you do it like this, you will find that you can quit using bupe with practically zero withdrawal effects, making it an easy and comfortable transition.

Also, at these low doses, your pills will last you MUCH longer than they normally would at the usualy prescribed dose levels. For example, if your taking 0.5 mg doses, 2 pills should last you around a month. And obviously at lwer doses than that, the pills would last even longer. So you should have plenty of medication to allow you taper your dosages in a way that leaves you with no withdrawal to endure.

If you wish to do a much quicker taper because you simply want to get off bupe as fast as possible than you are bound to experience a very intesnse, and extremely long withdrawal period. This, in my opinion, isnt worth it. When you started subutex, your doctor should have warned you of the seriousness of the withdrawals, and if not, you should have done the research yourself while learning as much information about the drugs you are taking.

The only way to by-pass the horrible drawn out withdrawals from bupe, is to do a LONG taper plan, such as the one I described above. I know from personal ecperience that I can quit anytime I wish with no pain involved, and I didn't even mean for that to happen, I simply took the low doses to enjoy the nice high's from bupe.

Please feel free to ask me any questions regarding your bupe taper at any time. I am glad to help.

Good Luck

 

[severin]

thanx to u al but specially you jbrown..friday will be day one on tappering this thing down.be sure i ll take your wise word into it,also tomorrow ill see a doc so ill see what he has to say about this,i just hope i can take this shit off my sostem and be able to work,dont know if i mentioned but i cant have any days off so this is the way it will have to be,as a plan b i have a very scary one and i do mean scary,because i cant afford the bupes anymore on my paycheck i ll have to go into one of this meth clinics that here in my country(dnt know about the others)is free.i know ill be covering fore with even harder fire but i have no chance left than being chained for life if this tappering goes wrong.omtop of everything,i may soun a sissy but its important to me ill be thru this on my own.wish me luck and please take care ,especially with opiates,it climbs on you silently and so so slow you wont even noticed till your whole mind and body are chained...good luck everyone

 

[jamesBrown]

Good luck buddy.......

 

[severin]

hi everyone..so today i started my tapering of subutex..my doc gave me a long taper plan,like 2months oon 4mg then will go to 2mg dnt know for how long..im thinking,once i have the time,the stuff and noothing to lose to taper down froma chat i saw here somewhere where you reduce 2mg every 3 days until you reach .5mg and then stay thre a while,maybe try to lower it a bit more to.25 and then jump,dont know if this works but i guesss ill give it a shot..i was just a bit unlucky cause i guess i didnt wit long enough from a heroine dose i took the night before(which happened before and nothing happened)and i got kid of precipitated w/d,yawing and a sense of cold-flu..i gave it ate least 7 hours but apparrently was not enough..take care evryone
a word on this someone?

 

[Dankycodone]

post acute withdrawl syndrome

 

[severin]

well,it s been a while since i posted on this issue,i just want to add something that just happened that i found curious,despite all my fears of horrible withdrawals ,i ve been on subutex for nearly 6 months,a series of events kept me from taking the damn thing and the truth is i felt nothing ,no withdrawal,not a single symptom of it..weird no?

 

[187coopa]

w/d from subs aint too bad esp when ur at the .5mg and less area.

the hard part is the next 3months where ur not sick but just feel yucky.

my problem was waking up way to early and my skin never feeling clean, even when i took a shower after about an hour or 2 id feel gross again

 

[Pegasus]

I've tried to quit bupe and failed multiple times. IMHO it's really painful and probably worse than kicking a medium sized heroin addiction...at least in my opinion. Bupe has a weird way of letting you feel like you're getting over being sick and then getting hit by a withdrawal truck and then feel better and then get hit by a truck again....over and over. At least when you kick heroin you progressively get better and by day 5 or 6 you feel noticeably better.


The best way to do it is to stay at less than 1 mg for at least a week, then skip doses every other day and then slowly take less and less until you're just taking little suboxone crumbles. Also most suboxone doc's will prescribe clonidine to help you taper off bupe. And in my experience the only time I successfully quit bupe was with the help of clonidine and benzos....which led to benzo addiction which led to bupe and over and over.

Seriously man, I'm like you, I've been getting fucked up nearly every day for the past 10 years and the sooner you taper off bupe the better. Just make sure you have all the OTC withdrawal goodies, clonidine and 3-5 days to do nothing. And although bupe is a nice safety net it really only keeps you opiate dependent the longer you stay on it. And the longer you stay on it the worse/longer the withdrawals.

Great post, man. I agree with everything you say, and empathize with a lot of what you describe because sub withdrawal in me is very similar to what you describe. I also picked up a benzo habit while quitting bupe, unfortunately...

I will say, though, that I have managed to quit bupe a few times in my life (the most recent time being about Wednesday of last week (8 days ago))... Kratom is what makes it possible for me, as it really mimicks the effects of bupe more than just about any other drug IME. Kratom, taken 2-3 times daily in fairly high doses, is a transition that I can make easily from ~0.5mg sublingual or ~0.3mg intra-nasal bupe. Once the two weeks or so of bupe w/d are over, then I can stop the kratom surprisingly easily and have avoided almost all of the withdrawal. Kratom is short-acting though, and so you will still certainly feel the w/d a bit between doses, probably wake up in w/d, etc...

 

[Pegasus]

The best way to quit bupe is to do a fast taper, bite the bullet and cold turkey. Do this and you'll be flipping around like a fish and sick for 2 weeks straight.

The hard part about it is you can just take another tablet to feel better, so honestly just stop and tough it out, have everything comfortable at your house. It's not that bad if you really want to quit.

What are you talking about? The best way to quit is... "flipping around like a fish and sick for two weeks"? I would think that the best way to quit would involve not getting the full brunt of the withdrawal for the full period...

 

[SubDude]

Pegasus... keep us posted on your quitting experience. Congrats on making it 8 days so far. I'm not familiar with pharma of Kratom... even though I've heard many people at BL talk about it. Here is what I found at Kratom.com:

Indeed Kratom is still popular in South East Asia for the self-treatment of heroin addiction, while in western countries Kratom is gaining popularity in the self-treatment of methadone and other drug addictions. So it can be stated that beside its strong pain relieving effects, Kratom therapy is also is an extremely effective way to treat addiction of many dangerous drugs, both legal and illegal.

Scientists in the last decades have described and defined a growing number of conditions like chronic fatigue syndrome in which physiological as well as psychological factors seem to be implicated. Also in such cases Kratom was reported as one of several promising treatments.


How much do you use and when do you plan to taper off that? Do you think Kratom is better than Clonidine? I've been on MMT/BMT for nearly 17yrs continuoulsy and am thinking of another try at abstinence. Last time I got down to .25mg and got no help from seroquel or xanax for sleep/rls which is the worst part for me.

 

[oneswtwld]

yes, again... taper slowly and down to the TINIEST bit...i would recommend PM'ing Capt. Heroin... he has a great plan


you will deal with hell, but keep a good bit of self control... mak sure to exercise regularly and talk to your doctor about this...

ps// bupe is onyl supposed to be used for a MAXIMUM of 7 days

 

[jamesBrown]

yes, again... taper slowly and down to the TINIEST bit...i would recommend PM'ing Capt. Heroin... he has a great plan


you will deal with hell, but keep a good bit of self control... mak sure to exercise regularly and talk to your doctor about this...

ps// bupe is onyl supposed to be used for a MAXIMUM of 7 days

Actually bupe is VERY commonly prescribed on an indefinate basis....as in, the patient could possibly be on the drug for years and years.
The benefit for some people of being on bupe for a longer period of time is that it helps them adjust to living a sober life and when they finally do quit, they are fully functional, sober people.
ALOT of people who do quick tapers and try to get off the maintanence drugs as quickly as possible end up relapsing because they were still in that drug users mindset and werent able to resist temptation once they finished there "quick taper". Of course, its not the same for all people and some people can successfully quit with a quick taper and some people connot.

 

[CitioKid]

Bupe withdrawals aren't THAT bad as people often indicate. Even once jumping from 3mg, I didn't find the withdrawals as bad as oxy or heroin. But the withdrawals are of a different character. As opposed to feeling like I was going to shit my heart out and thrash around like some crazy fish, bupe withdrawals just made me feel a profound sense of depression and exhaustion.

I think switching to another opiate like substance like kratom or tramadol or loperamide for a month does wonders.

Or simply getting down to .5mg a day and then slowly spreading out your doses, hour by hour, until you are taking it once every four days. Then jumping will be fairly easy, sans the PAWS.

 

[Truewill]

Don't put another one into your body!
Feel the longing and craving in the body when it comes - accept it completely
Always know you have choice to go back wit just one use - decide in that moment if that is what you want - a life time of use!!