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How To Quit Heroin

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BuckieGoldstein

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Hello,

I need to quit heroin. I use about .4 to .5 grams per day of black tar. Every time I try to reduce my dose when I'm even the slightest bit sick, I stay sick until I complete that dose to the normal amount which is usually .07 to .09 g.

What is the best way to quit? have a lot of xanax and i've heard that can help, but how do you use them efficiently to help the body no longer need the Heroin?

Are there any other ways to quit such as going on methadone and reducing that dose every wee or every other day? Is it easier to quit methadone than heroin?

I also use methamphetamines daily but thats down to something like .2 grams a day. I think that one will be easy to stop but not sure and could use any advice on that too.

Thank you,

Buck
 
Both the drugs you are using are going to be difficult to quit.

I would say get on methadone maintenance for a while, it really will help you if you really truly want to quit.

If you're not going to get on the methadone, the Xanax will only really help you sleep and relieve your anxiety. You will need 800 mg ibuprofen, and some clonidine if you're going to go the "cold turkey" route. Just check into a detox center, they will give you "protocol drugs" to help with withdrawals if you aren't going to go on methadone.

The protocol drugs are ibuprofen 800 mg, Valium 10 mg, and clonidine 0.1 mg.

After you deal with the heroin, the methamphetamine is going to be a devil to deal with.
 
i reccomend to start eating more, and gradually lower the amount you use per day in time. one day at a time, trying to make progress every day.
 
Tapering is certainly an option, although tapering with methadone or buprenorphine (Suboxone) has been shown to be more effective than tapering off with more heroin...
 
yep, suboxone is a considerable route to take. if you cant get your hands on it or any other tapering aids, then you have no choice but to do it on your own. if you cant handle it, well....... thats just reality. gotta deal with it and try to keep your life together at the same time.
 
TheLostBoys said:
If you guys dont mind me asking, is it harder to get off heroin or oxycontin?
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I'd personally, say it's harder to get off of heroin/morphine (I include morphine because heroin's effects are due to morphine; heroin is a morphine prodrug). Morphine is the God of all the opioids - no morphine, no opioids at all.
 
get some subs or dones. do a week long long taper. (8mg sub day one/15mg methadone day one. same day two. 75% day 3 & 4. 50%orig dose day 5..etc etc) eat a half a xanax every 8 hours or so. wacth out though. benzos suck to kick when you've been taking them for a while.

i find weed helps too with stomach pains and eating right.

withdrawals will always suck. be prepared for some pain/dicsomfort. but those above mentioned drugs will help a lot.
 
Some of the following will work: Immodium (shits/pain), long-acting Benzos such as cloazepam (anxiety/restless leg/muscle pain), Pregabalin (pain/anxiety), Seroquel or Ambien (insomnia), Soma (muscle pain/restless leg), Clonidine (general pain/sweats). If you use benzos, don't use longer than the withdrawals last, no more than 3-5 days, use sparingly. Same goes if you use Ambien although Seroquel would work a lot better if you are already using benzos. Soma, no longer than 5 days. Pregabalin will also work somewhat for the mental withdrawals by boosting your mood, but tolerance grows fast.
 
Not heroin, but I had to quit Opana cold turkey due to an allergic-type reaction. I went from 3 a day to 1 for 2 days and then nothing!

I would say -- expect your body to rebel, but dig your feet in for the long haul.

What really helped me were my ativans. At the time, I wasn't able to tolerate ANY pain meds, iburophin, etc-- but if you can 800mgs of that would have been nice.

Water, drinking it and taking showers - god sent. I took 2 showers a day - relieves all-over pain.

I had flu-like symptoms an was in bed for week. If you have a neti-pot those are good.

I like thw suboxone idea better than methadone, myself, because I had to quit methadone cold turkey, too -- and let me tell you -- it wasn't as bad PHYSICALLY as the opana, but the mental stuff was hell. It's VERY, VERY addictive in my opinion.

Good luck, HTH a bit.
 
If there was a choice, def go with the Suboxone taper. From what I've read, it's alot easier to kick than the 'done.
 
Vikingdon said:
If there was a choice, def go with the Suboxone taper. From what I've read, it's alot easier to kick than the 'done.
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Please reread this over and over before going on methadone. S
o far I've been on methadone for a year. 30mg tolerance for 5 months or less actually made me sooooo ill EVEN with dope, percocet, and vicodin. I wake up every morning so pissed off about the clinic but greatful for the help it does. Its hell, but its heaven...
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Some of the following will work: Immodium (shits/pain), long-acting Benzos such as cloazepam (anxiety/restless leg/muscle pain), Pregabalin (pain/anxiety), Seroquel or Ambien (insomnia), Soma (muscle pain/restless leg), Clonidine (general pain/sweats). If you use benzos, don't use longer than the withdrawals last, no more than 3-5 days, use sparingly. Same goes if you use Ambien although Seroquel would work a lot better if you are already using benzos. Soma, no longer than 5 days. Pregabalin will also work somewhat for the mental withdrawals by boosting your mood, but tolerance grows fast.
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i agree entirely with the above sentiments, (i'd also recommend loads of chocolate milkshake!) before i set off to do my last cold turkey, (there were a few failed attempts) the doctor had given me some benzos to help with the worst, and on the second day, i sent my mates to town to get immodium. you just dont want it coming out of both ends when clucking!

get your mates to chuck you in a van, and take to to the middle of nowhere camping, so you couldn't score if you wanted to. then just take the feckin pain, deal with the cluck, and the kicking out spasm etc. try not to complain to your mates too much who are there to help you, whinging wont help. take it like a man, and by day five you'll feel like you've come out of a coma.

only thing is, the depression that hits after the cluck. you've then got to work out how to deal with that. i moved from the city to a village and studied for a while, but if moving's not an option for you, change social circles when you get back obvs, and find summat to do to keep your head busy or your thoughts will lead you straight back, and all the pain and spewing etc will have been for nothing.
 
read my 7 days no wd thread and apply it to your life i know ur in cali but i kno u can go to the er and get petittioned im in the worst state in the country wit the the worst murder rate in two cites yes we are 1 and 2 murda capis but yet u can still go to the ER n say ur fuckin bipolar n skizo n get sent to a ment hosp and they will help i know its not ideal and even if they dont subox u but ur bad in WD if its to the point where ur lookin like ur gonna die they will help with benzos n shots n sleepers n it will work ur dope aint half as good as mine and i was up to 2 grams a day and got clean yea it was mentally harder then i thought but physically if u compare it to a OD it aint shit.
 
1) I thought subox puts you into immediate withdrawal? I have an excellent relationship with a doctor and I know he will give me anything I want, so if Subox is the best way to go, then I'll do it ... but I was under the impression that as soon as the subox hits you, your dopamine receptors kick all the heroin away immediately and you start to immediately withdrawal ... ???

2) Has anyone used xanax / clon to substitute while tapering from the heroin? Lets say a .05 shot wont make me well, but what about that plus a half a xanax? Then continue tapering by 15 to 25 percent every 36 hours or so???

Since my habit is less than a gram a day, I'm hoping I wont go through it as bad ... I do like the idea of having some friends kidnap me and take me camping until I kick it, but I'm married with kids and my wife doesn't know I have not quit yet ... so I need to be on the down low about this. I'm quitting for her ... to save my marriage ... I could not live life knowing I lost my family over this shit ... it would be a complete and utter waste of existence. I'm able to use to the point where no one can tell I'm on it, and when she buys the home drug kits, I have the fake urine around to use ... it works but I know this is going to all come crashing down one day and I don't want that day to come ... I'd rather just be done with it and know I'm on the straight and narrow path.

The speed doesn't seem as bad to me ... I've gone two days without it before and it really was no big deal. Maybe I'm not giving it enough time ... maybe it's more subtle than the heroin ... I don't know.

Thank you all for the posts, you have been extremely helpful!
 
You don't go into immediate withdrawals (precipitated withdrawals) unless you take the Suboxone too soon after your last dose of a full agonist. Usually you want to give at least 24 hours after your last dose of a full agonist to avoid precipitated withdrawals. You can take a full agonist 6 hours after your dose of Suboxone and be fine but if you take a full agonist 6 hours BEFORE taking the Suboxone you will go into withdrawals. Suboxone blocks the effects of full agonists. Usually you need to wait 48 hours after your last dose to be able to feel most of the effects. Some people need 72 hours like me. Suboxone is great for opioid withdrawals because it has antidepressant effects that will keep you from craving.
 
OK help me out here .. what is meant by the term "Agonist"? I'm assuming it means "Full dose of heroin"? And are you saying that after my last dose of heroin, that if I take Subox in 6 hours, I wont go into withdrawl? And at that point am I just using Subox? Or am I alternating the two somehow?
 
invisiroll420 said:
ur dope aint half as good as mine and i was up to 2 grams a day and got clean yea it was mentally harder then i thought but physically if u compare it to a OD it aint shit.
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8o

JEEZUS EFFIN KRIEST!!! 2g PER DAY of stronger H??? I'm only taking .3 to .4 g per day of this black tar shit ... holy fuckin cow man how did you do it!?!?!?!
 
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