First Bad Comedown
Bluelighter
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- Nov 26, 2010
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To the non-trolling OP.
Glad to hear you are taking this seriously.
Allow me to point out that most people with 12 month or longer recoveries start off with SEVERE anxiety.
A few teary-eyed days does not equate the utter panic and loss of humanity that I am referring to.
Those that truly 'broke' their brains often develop real physical manifestations - like tachycardia, fever, swelling around multiple lymph nodes, complete loss of appetite...flu-like symptoms.
They also experience a crippling level of anxiety that leaves them with NO doubt - something has changed.
A hallmark symptom of MDMA toxicity is LACK OF SLEEP.
I can still remember the first week - my head was ringing constantly.
Even when I felt exhausted, this BUZZZZZING sensation in my head would not relent.
I have read several studies that suggests this is normal with human toxicity - even after months of recovery an altered sleep architecture is obvious. And sleep deprivation is a VERY easy way to increase anxiety and worsen cognitive performance in such patients.
If you are able to sleep, this is a VERY good sign.
If you are eating daily and not fearing a complete cardiovascular collapse - also good signs.
You are going to be OK.
Ketamine would likely help smooth out the process, but dosage is still important.
It acts on the NMDA receptors in the frontal lobes, as does Piracetam.
Piracetam can be used in higher amounts and for longer - and it is legal to purchase online.
Your friends don't know a goddamn thing about drugs or the damage they cause.
Even real scientists take YEARS of research to tease out the details of damage in the nervous system.
Here is an important finding.
Cocaine is among the MOST damaging of all stimulants - even more than METH.
Studies of former cocaine users have shown marked reductions in executive function - even after FIVE years abstinence.
Most drugs allow substantial recovery within 2 years abstinence, but some coke users live with severe anhedonia for MUCH longer than other stims.
A very important feature of cocaine use is the need to constantly REDOSE.
A similar trait is seen with MDVP, or 'bath salts', and has lead to rather horrible stories of 'broken' brains on BL.
With ALL drugs, re-dosing is the greatest contributor to damage.
I could refer to hundreds of people on BL suffering from some type of 'damage' and this would continue to prove true.
Regardless of the drug, controlling dosage is the greatest struggle and greatest danger.
Unfortunately, some drugs are MUCH more dangerous than others.
Mixing ANY drugs is unwise - this includes alcohol.
I have read several case reports of MDMA users that DIED in emergency rooms, with substantial amounts of alcohol in their systems.
Your friend that has done lots of X before is a PRIME example of an arrogant, young population that THINKS they understand what they are doing. This is part of the culture on BL that I am attempting to change, or at least to interfere with.
The MYTH that MDMA is safer than other drugs has hurt WAY too many people.
If there was even a BASIC understanding of the re-dosing principle, this could be avoided.
MDMA is an awesome, magical experience - capable of producing emotions that other drugs simply cannot.
But its reputation for 'safety' is not deserved.
Rolling the second day was a BIG mistake, and your 'friends' should have known this.
The fact that they didn't means that the culture of arrogance among college students isn't going anywhere.
It also means that some people are damaged more quickly than others.
Yes, there is a range of toxicity even in lab animals.
But did you know that sequential doses damage ALL?
Most research on rodents involves doses of 10-20mg/kg given once or twice a day - up to four days.
In primates, doses like 5mg/kg once a day for four days definitely causes toxicity.
This is the equivalent of about 2 good tabs each dose.
It is widely believed that humans are more susceptible than primates, due to our higher complexity and larger frontal lobes.
Research AND anecdotal reports agree - Rolling two days in a row is a VERY bad idea.
It is NEVER worth it, and a brief search of BL will reveal the consensus.
The negative side-effects are amplified while the positive ones are dampened.
I rolled two days in a row on THREE occasions.
The first two times I told myself - NEVER AGAIN.
The third time led to a near fatal case of Serotonin Syndrome, which also involved benedryl.
Tell your friend with 'experience' what I have told you.
Ask him to do a little reading before professing the 'safety' of rolling two days in a row.
There is a majority of experienced users on BL that disagree with him.
He could do a lot of damage to others like you down the line, so pass the word along please.
I really do believe you are going to be FINE.
A few days at the gym and you will think it never happened.
If I'm wrong, please come back and let us know.
FBC
Glad to hear you are taking this seriously.
Allow me to point out that most people with 12 month or longer recoveries start off with SEVERE anxiety.
A few teary-eyed days does not equate the utter panic and loss of humanity that I am referring to.
Those that truly 'broke' their brains often develop real physical manifestations - like tachycardia, fever, swelling around multiple lymph nodes, complete loss of appetite...flu-like symptoms.
They also experience a crippling level of anxiety that leaves them with NO doubt - something has changed.
A hallmark symptom of MDMA toxicity is LACK OF SLEEP.
I can still remember the first week - my head was ringing constantly.
Even when I felt exhausted, this BUZZZZZING sensation in my head would not relent.
I have read several studies that suggests this is normal with human toxicity - even after months of recovery an altered sleep architecture is obvious. And sleep deprivation is a VERY easy way to increase anxiety and worsen cognitive performance in such patients.
If you are able to sleep, this is a VERY good sign.
If you are eating daily and not fearing a complete cardiovascular collapse - also good signs.
You are going to be OK.
Ketamine would likely help smooth out the process, but dosage is still important.
It acts on the NMDA receptors in the frontal lobes, as does Piracetam.
Piracetam can be used in higher amounts and for longer - and it is legal to purchase online.
Your friends don't know a goddamn thing about drugs or the damage they cause.
Even real scientists take YEARS of research to tease out the details of damage in the nervous system.
Here is an important finding.
Cocaine is among the MOST damaging of all stimulants - even more than METH.
Studies of former cocaine users have shown marked reductions in executive function - even after FIVE years abstinence.
Most drugs allow substantial recovery within 2 years abstinence, but some coke users live with severe anhedonia for MUCH longer than other stims.
A very important feature of cocaine use is the need to constantly REDOSE.
A similar trait is seen with MDVP, or 'bath salts', and has lead to rather horrible stories of 'broken' brains on BL.
With ALL drugs, re-dosing is the greatest contributor to damage.
I could refer to hundreds of people on BL suffering from some type of 'damage' and this would continue to prove true.
Regardless of the drug, controlling dosage is the greatest struggle and greatest danger.
Unfortunately, some drugs are MUCH more dangerous than others.
Mixing ANY drugs is unwise - this includes alcohol.
I have read several case reports of MDMA users that DIED in emergency rooms, with substantial amounts of alcohol in their systems.
Your friend that has done lots of X before is a PRIME example of an arrogant, young population that THINKS they understand what they are doing. This is part of the culture on BL that I am attempting to change, or at least to interfere with.
The MYTH that MDMA is safer than other drugs has hurt WAY too many people.
If there was even a BASIC understanding of the re-dosing principle, this could be avoided.
MDMA is an awesome, magical experience - capable of producing emotions that other drugs simply cannot.
But its reputation for 'safety' is not deserved.
Rolling the second day was a BIG mistake, and your 'friends' should have known this.
The fact that they didn't means that the culture of arrogance among college students isn't going anywhere.
It also means that some people are damaged more quickly than others.
Yes, there is a range of toxicity even in lab animals.
But did you know that sequential doses damage ALL?
Most research on rodents involves doses of 10-20mg/kg given once or twice a day - up to four days.
In primates, doses like 5mg/kg once a day for four days definitely causes toxicity.
This is the equivalent of about 2 good tabs each dose.
It is widely believed that humans are more susceptible than primates, due to our higher complexity and larger frontal lobes.
Research AND anecdotal reports agree - Rolling two days in a row is a VERY bad idea.
It is NEVER worth it, and a brief search of BL will reveal the consensus.
The negative side-effects are amplified while the positive ones are dampened.
I rolled two days in a row on THREE occasions.
The first two times I told myself - NEVER AGAIN.
The third time led to a near fatal case of Serotonin Syndrome, which also involved benedryl.
Tell your friend with 'experience' what I have told you.
Ask him to do a little reading before professing the 'safety' of rolling two days in a row.
There is a majority of experienced users on BL that disagree with him.
He could do a lot of damage to others like you down the line, so pass the word along please.
I really do believe you are going to be FINE.
A few days at the gym and you will think it never happened.
If I'm wrong, please come back and let us know.
FBC
Didn't have to go the the gym either, just went twice. I felt almost at 80% on Friday and there was some lingering anxiety until Sunday but very, very little. I used to be claustrophobic and for some reason this episode brought it back. I feel great today though!