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How to get rid of these awful 'brain zaps'

lighterbandit

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I've been on SSRI's for about 2 years and I'm finally quitting them for good. I was on 200mg zoloft daily, and reduced my dose to 100mg daily with no problems last month. However, this months I was told to slowly taper down 1/2 my dose each week until it's nothing by week 4. week 3 has just begun and at 25mg, I've been getting these horrible 'brain zaps' that feel like getting hit in the funny bone, only in my head. I searched all the threads I could find on this to no avail. they feel so terrible that I'd even resort ,to going back on zoloft if it was the only way of making it stop. Is there ANY better way? I hate being on antidepressants and want to quit them badly as they havent helped me whatsoever, but I've found the withdrawl symptoms to be simply unbearable once the dose goes past a certain point. i'm willing to try anything to get rid of these brain zaps, as theyre really interfering with my job and my life. I can barely read or drive now. does anyone know how I can get rid of these 'zaps'??
 
lighterbandit said:
I've been on SSRI's for about 2 years and I'm finally quitting them for good. I was on 200mg zoloft daily, and reduced my dose to 100mg daily with no problems last month. However, this months I was told to slowly taper down 1/2 my dose each week until it's nothing by week 4. week 3 has just begun and at 25mg, I've been getting these horrible 'brain zaps' that feel like getting hit in the funny bone, only in my head. I searched all the threads I could find on this to no avail. they feel so terrible that I'd even resort ,to going back on zoloft if it was the only way of making it stop. Is there ANY better way? I hate being on antidepressants and want to quit them badly as they havent helped me whatsoever, but I've found the withdrawl symptoms to be simply unbearable once the dose goes past a certain point. i'm willing to try anything to get rid of these brain zaps, as theyre really interfering with my job and my life. I can barely read or drive now. does anyone know how I can get rid of these 'zaps'??

fish pills. omega 3 fatty acids (1g-2g a day). and l-tryptophan every night before bed. does a lot to raise your serotonin level. and rebuilds receptors and membranes (the fish oil).
 
Coming off SSRI's or SNRI's from my experience was a difficult thing to endure, I can relate to feeling the brain zaps, specially when I was coming off Effexor-XR...

It would be a good idea to go back to your Dr and let him/her know how the taper schedule is making you feel. Everyone has different experiences when coming off anti-d's and it may be that the Dr needs to review the taper your currently on, maybe slow it down a bit so your not having these symptoms.

X Isis
 
i was gonna say the same thing as NEWMOONRECORD ,seriously ssri'do not help to make MORE seritonin,it makes the brain speed up the release of seritonin ,this can be dangerous if one of the transmitters is empty of seritonin

this can cause an almost psychotic episode,and i imagine your brain would feel very deird as well


you need to supplement every vitamin and mineral there is to replensish your seritonin levels ,and i mean flood your brain with vitamins ,get a bottle without iron so you can take as many as you would like ,then add tryptophan at 1000mg a night,take fish oil,flax seed whatever you choose to get your EFA's take a hefty dose 3 times a day along with the other vitamins ,trust me you will feel like you never had a problem

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I am by no means reccomending the following, just sharing my account.

Had previously experienced a much HARSHER withdrawal from effexor, yet [ironically] tapered to lexapro then discontinued use without further withdrawal.

Proceeded to go through a years worth of depression (situational), got on lexapro, then went for 6 months where my life improved (again, situational, not having anything to do with the drug). Than found myself without health insurance and no way to get said meds. Coincidentally I had just started experimenting again with DXM after a first ever LSD tripped that seemed to catalyze the DXM experience, making it blissful and rather ketamine like (unlike I had experienced my first active dose).

In my readings I had read that it was categorized as an SSRI in unpublished research (erowid, I'll dig up the link later). I ended up taking doses out of desperation every 3 days or so, and it did effectively ween me off my lexapro habit. Just an interesting personal account I wanted to throw out there.

SSRI's: Never again.. Good luck to you.
 
HYDRO_CHRONIC said:
seriously ssri'do not help to make MORE seritonin,it makes the brain speed up the release of seritonin ,this can be dangerous if one of the transmitters is empty of seritonin

SSRI's, by definition, inhibit the reuptake of serotonin. They don't make serotonin release any faster (that actually be WORSE than taking nothing as a long-term depression treatment.) It basically doesn't have much to do with the release of serotonin so much as inhibiting the elimination, letting serotonin "pool up" in the brain.

On another note, I had the brain zaps for a few days after a night of doing stupid amounts of MDMA. It is one of the most awful experiences I've ever been through, getting these zaps pretty intensely every 5-10 seconds. I don't know if your typical SSRI-deprived brain zaps are just a frequent, but even a few days was just horrible. Dealing with them for months is something I pray I'll never have to go through.
 
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"Tryptophan is not a drug. It is an essential amino acid much needed to support life and sanity. In an interesting coincidence, Prozac made its first appearance within days of the ban on tryptophan. Now there is a whole family of serotonin-stimulating drugs, but none of them can create more serotonin; they can only speed its firing into the brain and partially block the reuptake into the neurotransmitters, and so the low levels of serotonin in those neurotransmitters are slowly becoming even more depleted.

At HRC almost everyone comes into our program taking one of the serotonin-firing antidepressants (Zoloft, Paxil, Desyrel, Serzone). Our physician switches them to the natural serotonin precursor, tryptophan, which promptly restores the missing serotonin levels. Usually the firing mechanism works fine; the problem was that it simply has had very little serotonin to fire.

Here are the guidelines for substituting tryptophan for a serotonin enhancing drug:

Tryptophan alone will not be converted to serotonin. To insure that it is properly used, you must also take vitamin C and vitamin B6 (Table 25, Seven Weeks to Sobriety).
Tryptophan is converted to niacin before its final conversion into serotonin. If your body is deficient in niacin, the tryptophan you take will supply you with niacin, not serotonin. For this reason, it is a good idea to take a B-complex vitamin daily. This will give you both vitamin B6 and niacin and allow the tryptophan to be converted to serotonin.
Inositol changes into a substance that regulates serotonin's effectiveness within nerve cells. A recent (1997) study confirms its effectiveness with depression. Therefore, we include inositol in this formula.
Of all the amino acids, tryptophan is least able to cross the blood-brain barrier. It must pass this biological hurdle in order to be converted to serotonin. You can give it a nudge by taking it in fruit juice. This will trigger insulin release, which will assist the tryptophan across the blood-brain barrier. Always take your tryptophan on an empty stomach.

Safety and Side Effects

Orthomolecular physicians have safely used tryptophan in doses of one to six grams daily. Since it is not stored in the body, it cannot accumulate to toxic levels. However, taking high doses of tryptophan can produce some side effects:

Drowsiness the next morning
Bizarre or strange dreams (rare)
Increased blood pressure in persons over sixty who already have high blood pressure
Aggressiveness (this rare side effect can occur in the absence of sufficient supplies of the nutrients needed for normal conversion of tryptophan to serotonin)
Who Should Not Take Tryptophan:

Anyone who takes an MAO (monoamine oxidase) inhibitor for depression; do not take tryptophan until ten days after giving up MAO inhibitors
Anyone with severe liver disease (a damaged liver cannot properly metabolize tryptophan)
Pregnant women (you may be able to take five hundred to thousand milligrams of tryptophan, but only with the approval and supervision of your physician) "
 
SSRI's do increase the amount of serotonin in the synaptic gap. Then MAO destroys it reducing the amount in the overall pool the body has to work with... And the increased amount of serotonin at first causes a downregulation of serotonin receptors on the neural membrane, reducing the effectiveness of the neurotransmitter... Then serotonin receptors ramify to other receptors, and no one knows what the real effcts are at this point...

To sum up, even after all these years, no one has a freakin' clue what the real effects of SSRI's actually are...

Welcome to American medicine... If it works, it doesn't necessarily matter... If it doesn't it can be approved, and they don't even need to know what it really does... Withdrawals? Suicides, linked or not? Ultimate pharmacological effects? Who cares.

The only thing that matters is who has the lobbying power and the money.
 
Subjectively speaking both Tryptophan and 5-HTP increased the frequency of brain zaps.

A slower taper would be my suggestion.
 
i was going to ask that. would 5-htp be a good substitute for tryptophan? i have some of the fish pills and vitamins already available. i appreciate all the input, very good advice. thanks to all who replied.
 
^ Certainly as it's one step closer in the chain if you seek Serotonin.

You maybe missed my point though 5-HTP can exacerbate the brain zaps. I don't recommend using either tryptophan nor 5-HTP until the zaps have lapsed ;) which they will in due course :)
 
ok ive tapered down to 25mg and am STILL getting the 'zaps' on every single day i dont take the zoloft. my doctor told me if i tapered to 25 itd be easy for me to quit by the 3rd week. its the end of the 2nd week. should i start breaking them in half to 12.5, and how much longer is this shit gonna go on? ive been feeling like SHITE every f00king day almost for over a month. i take multivitamins and fish oil every day unless im high & forget
 
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