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Heroin How to get more out of Oxy/avoid switching to heroin?

hatrix said:
You're going to end up using heroin daily at this rate, I have no doubts about it. Please don't start with the heroin. It's quality varies too much and you are far to inexperienced to handle it. If you don't have a decent tolerance you can end up dead from snorting real quick. It doesn't take much. And look at what you're going through trying to find it! That's just desperation, and you haven't even had it yet. Imagine what you'll do just to get ahold of some when you find out how much you love it.

I have ODed from snorting 3 times. One of those times required immediate medical attention or I wouldn't be here right now to try to stop you from using heroin!

If you MUST continue using opiates just stick to the pharms. It is so much safer. I don't see anyone here convincing you to stop opiates completely, that's obviously a useless fight.
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I'd try to be safe using, and I really wish I could stick to pharms but they are just so damn expensive around here. Wouldn't doing a test-bump every time I buy help prevent OD from varying quality, though.
 
shadowstryker said:
I'd try to be safe using, and I really wish I could stick to pharms but they are just so damn expensive around here. Wouldn't doing a test-bump every time I buy help prevent OD from varying quality, though.
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Not necessarily no. I'm almost positive when I ODed I hit fentanyl hotspots in my dope. That's something you just can't avoid if it's in your dope. You can only hope that there either A) Isn't fentanyl in your dope, or B) The people who put the fentanyl in know how to evenly distribute it throughout.

Stick. To. Pharms. I can't stress that enough. If you can't afford it, then don't do opiates! Call it quits. You're making excuses so you can keep getting high.
 
shadowstryker said:
Okay, so this is quoting your post but it also applies to almost everyone who has posted in this thread. I was talking to a friend earlier today about my issue, looking for a plug, etc etc, and I realized something. I've only been dry of opiates for a month, almost exactly actually, but it feels like it has been months to me. In only a month I'm already trying to pay people just to help me find a connect, and I've made plans to go around the bad part of a nearby big-city asking homeless people if something if they know anyone who sells. Which I've been suggested to do but I've never done before, which will definitely be a new experience for me considering I live in the suburbs. I even found myself asking one guy if he'd found any yet after i asked him to ask around for me a while back, only to realize I only asked him to do that 3 days ago.

The point being that I do realize now that I am an addict I guess, but I still don't plan to stop looking for heroin. It's really hard to explain, and I don't think I could if I tried. I guess it goes back to when I mentioned how there's no way to really measure addiction, and I don't feel like an addict per se. I don't really know, like I said I can't explain it and it'd be even harder to explain how I feel right now...I felt the need to post this though because I really don't know how I feel but I needed to someone to hear all that.
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Thank you for admitting you're an addict. It's refreshing compared to your other posts. What level of addiction you're at is hard to say but you are on the path amd thank you for admitting that.

Having said all that I'm am addict myself, no angel here. It started with Lortab 10s after a serious car accident that fucked my spine up royally. First visit to the lawyer recommended doc unded up with a script for 60 Lortab (hydrocodone/acet mix) 10s. Was very hesitant to take them at first knowing my history with addiction (was about six years clean from all drugs including alcohol. Eventually the pain was just so bad that I tried one. Eliminated the pain completely and gave me the relief I had been looking for years after medication resistant MDD, OCD, and Anxiety disorder.

From that point forward it started light (a few times a week when the pain was unbearable. Eventually escalated to everyday use. Then a dose increase was next, 90 tabs a month. After a while of that the Lortab didn't cut it so we changed to Percocet 10s everyday, 60 a month. That's when things realm started to escalate. Got upped to 90 a month and was overusing, running out early etc. Got hooked up with a PM doc and they upped it to 120 tabs a month. See a pattern here?

Finally I got to a point where even taking the meds didn't stop the withdrawals. At this point I decided to quit, flushed my remaining pills and went through pure hell. After the withdrawals subsided I stayed clean for a couple months and then went back to the percs due to the pain. Same cycle insued and I cold turkeyed it again. This time I stayed opiate free for about 7 months or so using gabapentin for the pain. Had horrible side effects develop from that so it was back to opiates again, this time Norco 10s.

Tolerance memory is a bitch, I was back to overusing. Running out early every month. Now I'm scripted 6 a day and even that is a struggle to make last.

Sorry for such a long post but I wanted to share my story in the hopes it might deter you from your current path. Opiates are a bitch and I wish I didn't have to take them for my pain but it is what it is.

Best of luck and beware H as others have mentioned as it will easily sink it's teeth into you.
 
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OP you are clearly looking for a way to get high for cheaper...once u find a heroin source and it's cheap and good and easy to get you're out of your mind if you think u can control the addiction from what I've read from u already. Imagine if u could get oxy from your neighbor for really cheap....are U really thinking u wouldnt start using every day a lot more? Think about that...it's not a slippery slope, it's a fucking vertical free fall dude
 
Roxi808 said:
OP you are clearly looking for a way to get high for cheaper...once u find a heroin source and it's cheap and good and easy to get you're out of your mind if you think u can control the addiction from what I've read from u already. Imagine if u could get oxy from your neighbor for really cheap....are U really thinking u wouldnt start using every day a lot more? Think about that...it's not a slippery slope, it's a fucking vertical free fall dude
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No doubt I'd start using almost daily. I could take tolerance breaks or something to keep down the cost, and I don't really see use as a bad thing unless it starts to fuck with the rest of my life, though. What's a little money thrown that way to be happy? They say you can't buy happiness, but I think they're wrong.
 
hatrix said:
Not necessarily no. I'm almost positive when I ODed I hit fentanyl hotspots in my dope. That's something you just can't avoid if it's in your dope. You can only hope that there either A) Isn't fentanyl in your dope, or B) The people who put the fentanyl in know how to evenly distribute it throughout.

Stick. To. Pharms. I can't stress that enough. If you can't afford it, then don't do opiates! Call it quits. You're making excuses so you can keep getting high.
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I don't want to quit though. :( On one hand I know it's expensive, but on the other hand I'd also rather try and keep up with the finances or sell some shit and buy more pills or just find a cheaper source like heroin. Damn this sucks, but it's also so nice at the same time.
 
Read your posts bro. You just said would sell some shit and buy more pills. Selling your stuff is true addict behavior. I've been there myself. You don't have as much control as you think if you're thinking of selling stuff to buy drugs. You keep making the same excuses a lot of us have made before we got hooked. That's why this post is full of people trying to talk you out. We've been there, done that and lost. You don't win when you mess with H. It's just too seductive of a drug. If you must use opiates stick with oxy. So what you can't afford to do it all the time. That's a good thing. Opiates lose their fun quick once you have a strong habit. It sounds like you still are able to get high. Once you're hooked you use to get normal. And yes you will get hooked. There is no such thing as casual heroin use.

Oh and please don't go bother homeless people for drugs.
 
Mad Dash said:
I am sorry and this is going to be hard to hear and more so to accept. But you are definitely an addict. Not using because of financial means and because you could not find heroin while trying to decide if you want to use is not truly the same thing as... well I don't know what you think you are... you can't call yourself sober, in the end there is no such thing as a casual opiate user, and you are not chipping. Look the reason heroin has such a stigma is because it is the end of the line. You think it is your only option and that is what happens to everybody. But the truth is it will only save you money for a short period of time, your tolerance will soon raise to the same level, and then above and then you will be in even worse shape than you were before. If you are asking to hear the truth, STAY AWAY. If you are asking because you just need to hear people say it is fine to justify your own internal struggle to stay high... well I am afraid I can not help with that because it will surely lead you to nothing but pain and suffering. Stop now while you still can, or mark my words you will either live to regret it or end up in prison. Either way you will lose everything.
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VERY WISE WORDS, my friend

Stay away. It's glamrous and fun for a minute, then becomes the darkest nightmare you can possibly imagine. the stress of knowing u need to score every day or u will be sick and unable to function. its hard to imagine how bad its going to get. trust me, because I just came out of a 10 year heroin habit. this is not something i would wish on my worst enemy. truly the hardest darkest time of my life.
 
Man listen to what everyone is saying. I know its mostly empty words right now, I know I read on H and about H everything I could find before trying it and it still didnt stop me. I was a lot like you, I always wanted to try it, always knew I would like it. And like you I dislike alcohol, never had problems giving it up, nor coke (which I did for a few years even), nor any other drug except H. Even managed to chip for 6 or 7 plus years. But eventually either physical addiction or a bad event in your life pushed over the edge. Its not really about the money in the end, even if one can afford to buy it. The issue is how it changes you mentally, spiritually. You become empty, you become a shell of your former self, apathic and unmotivated. Sure you still have ideas and dream you just stop trying to achieve them until its 10 years later and theyre just as far as they were 10 years ago, you are stuck in place emotionally, socially, career wise, isolated.

Come on, trust what everyone is saying. Youll spend more and more time enjoying your high either home alone or with people who also use opiates. Youll feel more and more distance between you and your friends who dont use it. Your relationship with you family with change. Its all subtle differences until theyre not subtle anymore one day and you dont want to face it. You rationalize, push things to later, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow. And you only use more to find that happy place.
Please dont use it, you regret it years later that you wasted those years high on H. Its only fun for a while.
 
shadowstryker said:
No doubt I'd start using almost daily. I could take tolerance breaks or something to keep down the cost, and I don't really see use as a bad thing unless it starts to fuck with the rest of my life, though. What's a little money thrown that way to be happy?.
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Dude, have you ever been through cold turkey withdrawals from a heavy oxy habit? Pure hell. Tell me what's a little money thrown that way when you're broke, no way to score, puking and shitting every 10 mins, going out of your mind with anxiety and suicidal thoughts, feeling the worst flu symptoms you can imagine, not sleeping, legs and other body parts twitching like a mother fucker, and feeling like a 45 to the head is welcome relief. Oxy withdrawal will do this alone, heroin I'm sure is much worse than that if you can imagine. Fuck benzos, they may calm you down a tad but by no means relieve all these things. Trust me, if you continue down this path you will find yourself there eventually. NOT FUN.
 
shadowstryker said:
I don't want to quit though. :( On one hand I know it's expensive, but on the other hand I'd also rather try and keep up with the finances or sell some shit and buy more pills or just find a cheaper source like heroin. Damn this sucks, but it's also so nice at the same time.
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And that's where the problem has already started. Once you go through bad withdrawal, you will want to stop. It will be hellish.
 
I probably wouldn't just go to the ghetto area of the nearest city and start talking to homeless people to cop for you. That can work but you have to already know the game so to speak. As you described yourself--suburbanite and inexperienced --you'll be ripped off probably 95% of the time. (And that little voice whispering that you'll take that chance for the 5% ? That's what is going to lead you into a nightmare...)

No one here is going to convince you what to do. You have your mind made up. I think you were at first looking for some kind of approval/justification of switching so that you could tell yourself it's no big deal to switch. You didn't get that; you got some truth instead. See, you are right in a way--heroin is just another opiate. Thing is, it's much stronger than oxy. So when you find you can spend 1/4 of what you were spending to get the same high you think it's a great solution. (This by the way is how sooooooo many oxy users end up with monster heroin habits)

And at first it's cheaper. And you figure hey, may as well do some more and feel better cause it's cheap. Or--you'll buy extra for tomorrow. (But later that night you end up doing it cause it's there). Days go by and you can afford to get high daily. Except--you use a little more and a little more to get that feeling. And in a few months of daily use (cause let's face it if you can afford it why stop for a week or two?) suddenly one morning you wake up a little shaky and a little nauseous. Or maybe sneezing. But you do some heroin and feel fine. Maybe you don't even connect it at first. But that's the start of the physical dependence

Once that starts, you won't take breaks. Because you will be sick. And ironically the more you use to feel better, the worse the sick is when you finally do face it. I'm sure you know where this story ends. Classic tale of addiction. Some go to jail and stop. Some keep on going. Some OD and die. Some get help. Most never recover.

Only advice I can offer is this--if you are going to keep using opioids, and I'm sure you are--do not ever use consecutive days. That is the ONLY way to avoid a habit at some point. Take breaks. You compare it to a shiny new sports car that you don't want to only take out occasionally. But--if you take that car out every day--sun, rain, snow, cold--it's eventually going to wear out of its shiny newness. Keep taking it out daily without proper maintenance and it will eventually be an old used car

Believe me I know where you're coming from. I had an alcoholic dad. I didn't like alcohol. Other drugs like weed were ok. But opiates were my "sweet spot". I once used that same argument of "but I like opiates. I'd rather do a bag than drink liquor. What's the difference what I like?" That was several jail stints, one prison sentence, several detoxes and rehabs, and 2 previous methadone clinics. I'm currently on methadone and have been clean again for a year and a half. Longest time clean (on nothing) was almost 9 years. Not to offend you, but so far you have the classic heroin addict's beginning story...as well as the mindset. No one starts using pills and says "I'm going to move on to heroin in a few months. I'll get addicted then I'll start shooting then I'll sell all my stuff to feel normal...."

Just --before you keep trying to find a heroin source--read some people's stories of addiction on here and see how they started off. It might sound familiar.

Oh, and the "it's less expensive" thing? That was also my reasoning for switching from snorting to shooting. Cause, see, I was spending 3 times what others were to get high. Shooting it was so much cheaper at first--went from a 3 bag sniffing habit to a 1/2 bag shooting habit (per dose). Of course, that escalated. But at the time it made perfect sense. Why spend an extra $30?

But, yeah, been there. Didn't have the benefit of others hindsight. I hope maybe, when you start downhill, you remember everything we have said before you end up at rock bottom
 
i don't want to use heroin because of the stigma, so tell me how i can make my current drug of choice as effective as heroin
 
as a new member i'm not sure what i'm allowed to advocate here... shadowstryker, drink a pint and pass out instead of trying to find dope. or smoke some pot. hindsight is 20/20, of course. conversations like this bring to mind a guy holding a wet dripping turd. while everyone watching is howling "NOOOOOOO!" he brings the turd closer and closer to his mouth.
is he going to take a bite?
 
I did end up spending the money and buying some Oxy today, just because it feels like it's been so long since I've had any. It's possible I'll want to stop after withdrawals. I've never experienced withdrawals other than very minor ones. As for bothering homeless people, I'm getting kind of desperate and don't know what else to do so...yeah, that's my solution. Even if I do get ripped off it'll still probably be cheaper than Oxy around here right now, so I'd just keep using until I can find a new context probably.

As a side note, how much do you think my tolerance has gone down after not using for a month? If at all?
 
When I would take my oxycodone pills, I would mix them up with grapefruit juice, which enhances the effect of the opioid.
 
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