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How to dose without some super nice scale?

done juan said:
if you dissolve in water, does the chemical distribute all of itself equally?
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You might need to give it a little shaking for substances that aren't as water soluble, but with MDMA it should be no problem at all. Just give it a shake or two before dosing


Oh, and don't use water. If you do, use distilled water... but preferably you should be using alcohol or vodka to kill bacteria.
 
Id say with mdma the dosing isnt as sensitive, and to use the .1g scales, weigh twice your dose and split the doses in half.

Example: 90mg dose , weigh 180mg
 
A usable scale doesn't HAVE to be a milligram scale, you can use a .00 scale just fine. MDMA/MDA dosing isn't THAT precise that being off by a few milligrams is going to make a difference. I bought a .00 scale at a headshop for $25, and I'm sure they're cheaper online than that. Even a .1 scale will do for MDMA, just take however much you have, weigh it out into .1 wraps/piles/whatever, then if you want to dose more or less than .1, you can eyeball it and be somewhat close.
I wouldn't buy a MG scale just for MDxx use, thats overkill IMO.
When dissolved in water, yes its all dissolved up evenly. But the only way I'd ever consider doing this with MDMA is taking maybe a quarter gram, use an insulin needle, draw up say 50 units, then take capsules or something and squirt however much you want in. If you used 50 units with a quarter gram of MDMA, 10 units would be 50mg. You wouldn't need to filter the solution like you would if you're injecting something, so it would be difficult to lose any MDxx doing this. Using MLs of water is more liquid than you need (or at least i highly suspect it would be-if MDMA is as soluble as methamphetamine, or close to as soluble as methamphetamine, you could get a point or more dissolved up in less than 20 units of water, there's 100 units in 1ML). I wouldn't use an oral syringe and several ML of water for this, its gonna make storing it a pain in the ass, cause too much water will fuck up capsules I'm pretty sure, and oral syringes you cant get air bubbles out of the solution and liquid can come out of the tip if its shaken/held wrong.

Insulin needles are OTC in all but one state (NJ or DE, i dont remember which), and a 10pack of them costs from a dollar and change up to 3 bucks tops. You buy them at the pharmacy counter, all you have to do is say "Can I get a 10 pack of 31G 100 unit shorts please", and they should sell them to you no problem, if they deny you, go to another pharmacy.

As long as you dont LOOK like a junkie (and even if you do, you'll still be able to buy them a lot of the time, I bought needles for the first time high as shit on methamphetamine, with dilated to shit pupils, and they didn't ask any questions), they wont give you any hassle. You can break off the needle on a disposable insulin needle and use it to plug things as well (so you're shoving less up your ass than you would an oral syringe ;) , however I have never done this myself). Needles are 100% legal so long as you dont get caught with drugs AND needles, as long as the spikes dont have drug residue on them you cannot be arrested for having them, unless they catch you using them to shoot dope/meth/etc.
 
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Hm... yeah I think a friend of mine actually might have a .01 scale i can use haha.

That liquid thing sounds like it might work, but i don't want 2 grams of MDModka...
 
get a scale. you can get a .00 scale for less than $20 bucks. I bet you spent at least $60 on the g of molly so that is not an unreasonable investment.
 
Folley said:
Even if it has a needle, they are legally required to sell it to you.. in most states.
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can you provide some substantiation of that? i'm not being difficult, i just can't believe that any store is legally required to sell syringes to anybody.

thanks

alasdair
 
If your friend can measure 0.1g for you then it isn't that hard to just eye ball and divide it in half to get 0.5g. Divide this in half for 0.25g. MDMA is forgiving at these thresholds so I wouldn't worry that you might be 0.1 or so off. Different story if you are dealing with some of the other more potent RC's though.
 
Per Section 4145 of the Business and Professions code, California may sell syringes (with needles) to people who have diabetes (insulin is a "right to life" drug) and you do not need a prescription to buy needles or insulin. The drug store may make you show identification. The supplier makes a log note of it in accordance with Section 4146.
Here is a website that will give you some hints on how to handle asking for syringes:
http://www.heroinhelper.com/user/acquire/acquiring_syringes_part_1.shtml

Washington state doesn't require all that to get syringes.
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I guess I misinterpreted what I read a bit, but still, it certainly isn't illegal to buy syringes... in most states. They might ask for ID, but that should be all they can do. They technically could just refuse to serve you, but that should be about the most they can do.


I doubt anyone would ever question you on a purchase of an ORAL syringe though, and they're just handy to have around.
 
Folley said:
I guess I misinterpreted what I read a bit, but still, it certainly isn't illegal to buy syringes... in most states.
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a bit? sure.

the difference between "you can legally buy them" and "a store is legally required to sell them to you" is huge...

alasdair
 
Scales that weigh to the 0.01 aren't expensive at all, you can pick some up off ebay for less than a tenner. In any case, you should be able to weigh out half a gram and split that 4 ways by eye without too much trouble, 125 mg bombs sound pretty reasonable. Alternatively, you could go with the liquid measurement, then evaporate the solvent. Take a 10mg/ml solution, get an ice cube tray or plastic shot glasses or something, and measure 10 ml of the solution into each. Leave them by a fan, and you'll be left with 100 mg hits (I've never done this, should work OK, my only worry would be that the MDMA might crystallise with some water, though that doesn't matter as you know the amount of MDMA present). Really though, this is all a bit of a ballache compared to just buying some decent scales one time.

Weighing out .1's on a scale accurate to .1 isn't going to work. The scale rounds to one decimal place, so even if the scales are perfectly accurate, they will display "0.1" for any weight between 50 mg and 149 mg. You're better off weighing a larger amount and then splitting it. You can't put any water in a gelcap, they are designed to break down in an aqueous environment.

Id say with mdma the dosing isnt as sensitive, and to use the .1g scales, weigh twice your dose and split the doses in half.

Example: 90mg dose , weigh 180mg
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How you gonna weigh out 180 mg on a .1 balance? ;)
 
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Alternatively, you could go with the liquid measurement, then evaporate the solvent. Take a 10mg/ml solution, get an ice cube tray or plastic shot glasses or something, and measure 10 ml of the solution into each. Leave them by a fan, and you'll be left with 100 mg hits (I've never done this, should work OK, my only worry would be that the MDMA might crystallise with some water, though that doesn't matter as you know the amount of MDMA present).
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Great point about using the liquid to measure the dose then evaporate to return back to solid.

I assume distilled water would be a must as opposed to tap?

Out of the polar solvents would there be a preference? DCM, Hexane, Xylene, Toluene. I guess out of this lot Xylene would be the best OTC.

My other question would be if you used too much water or solvent would the evaporation cause increased loss? Would there be a minimum amount of liquid you could use if loss were an issue? I cant remember the chemical name when a solvent can dissolve no more but I am sure you know what I mean.
 
No reason to use distilled water if you don't want, MDMA is nice and stable. Those solvents you mention are actually all non-polar, I don't think any of them will dissolve MDMA.HCl. Just use water, or vodka if you need to store the solution for a while. There shouldn't be any loss at all (other than the mechanical losses from not being able to scrape up all the MDMA etc), the solvent will just evaporate off. Yeah, you obviously need to use enough solvent to dissolve all the MDMA, but apart from that it's simple (you're thinking of a saturated solvent, btw).
 
No reason to use distilled water if you don't want, MDMA is nice and stable.
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I always get a little confused with this. As I understand it MDMA in pure form is unstabe. when they say MDMA freebase is this the purest form of MDMA at room temperature? In the case of MDMA it has to be an oil right? If its this freebase oil is this 100% pure MDMA molecule? When you say its nice and stable I am assuming you mean the HCL form?

Those solvents you mention are actually all non-polar, I don't think any of them will dissolve MDMA.HCl.
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Sorry my mistake. I seem to recall they are used in the seperation process so I guess the idea of them is they dont dissolve MDMA exactly as you say. I wasnt sure about how they would effect the HCL salt however? I assume it must be the same.

On the topic then of acetone is this also a non polar solvent hence why it wont dissolve the HCL salt?


Sorry for all the questions vader you just happen to be one of those posters I learn a great deal from :)
 
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