How to - Deal with LE.

[fortehlulz]

fortehlulz, delete some messages so I can PM you, or turn on emails!

Sorry for the bump :D

Cleared some PM space.

 

[fortehlulz]

Are sniffer dogs used in SA? Its just I've never seen any outside any clubs or outside concert venues.

SA has been late to come to the table with their detector doggie legislation. If memory serves me correctly, they're only allowed in licenced premises at this stage.

Also, (and this is just an out of opinion question) I know that sniffer dogs also find meat when you have it, but if SWIM had a burger in their pocket and some pills and the dog picked SWIM up, would you think they'd be disregarded as a false positive because of the burger?

You'll be searched regardless. It didn't work for Chas on the Chaser. It won't work for SWIY.

 

[redskittle]

Thank you

 

[perthboy]

ok something that's been playing on my mind for ages:
quite a while ago a friend was freaking out pretty bad off acid and needed an ambo to be called.
police also rocked up and were nice enough to help us out until the paramedics showed up.
while he was being sorted out the cops asked if we had any of the substance around that he was on so they could test it.

now we had nothing on us, but say if we did hand over a sample, would they actually go about testing it...or would it have been used to arrest someone at the scene?

 

[Sustanon]

ok something that's been playing on my mind for ages:
quite a while ago a friend was freaking out pretty bad off acid and needed an ambo to be called.
police also rocked up and were nice enough to help us out until the paramedics showed up.
while he was being sorted out the cops asked if we had any of the substance around that he was on so they could test it.

now we had nothing on us, but say if we did hand over a sample, would they actually go about testing it...or would it have been used to arrest someone at the scene?

My mate was in the same situation. He called an ambo for his gf as they had a bit of shrooms well which were a bit stronger than expected If u would of handed over anything ud be arrested for possesion / intention to distribute. Dont believe a word cops tell u. They are not there to help you. U should watch the video i linked a while ago about citizen rights.

 

[fortehlulz]

There is no such thing as off the record with police 'for your mate's benefit'. Ever.

Remember when people first started dropping from E and then G? "The Ambulance service isn't interested in prosecuting you or arresting you, they just want to look after you"... did you see police mentioned anywhere in that statement?

 

[perthboy]

Ah thanks for that, I thought that might have been the case, but it doesn't hurt to know for future reference.

 

[Crankinit]

Question, obviously boarding a flight with scheduled substances is a bad idea due to the increased security and chance of detection, but is the penalty actually worse for being caught on a flight than it is anywhere else? Does that vary between domestic/international flights, or whether you're going into/out of the country in the case of the latter?

Not planning on doing any such thing, just curious after reading the 'pac man caffeine pills' thread.

 

[fortehlulz]

Question, obviously boarding a flight with scheduled substances is a bad idea due to the increased security and chance of detection, but is the penalty actually worse for being caught on a flight than it is anywhere else? Does that vary between domestic/international flights, or whether you're going into/out of the country in the case of the latter?

Not planning on doing any such thing, just curious after reading the 'pac man caffeine pills' thread.

If you're going domestic, state standard penalties.

If you're inbound from OS, you're in some shit.

 

[Crankinit]

And I assume you're into no less shit for outbound? Or is that the problem of the country you're headed to?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Your right there Crank. I recently did some research on this for work. Au Federal laws can apply in a range of 'export' circumstances eg if you are an Australian citizen, if you are on an Aus aircraft or ship, or if your involvement involves Australia in some way (eg you are bringing substances into, or out of, Australia or even if the plan was organised in Australia). And the penalties are very harsh...

 

[fortehlulz]

Your right there Crank. I recently did some research on this for work. Au Federal laws can apply in a range of 'export' circumstances eg if you are an Australian citizen, if you are on an Aus aircraft or ship, or if your involvement involves Australia in some way (eg you are bringing substances into, or out of, Australia or even if the plan was organised in Australia). And the penalties are very harsh...

Show me the extra territorial legislation regarding possess or traffic forthwith or STFU.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Dude, I'm only new, whats with the 'tude?

But, if you want to check it:

s 15.2 Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) - 'Category B jurisdiction'
s 300.3 Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) Category B jurisdiction applied to Chapter 9, Part 9.1 of the Criminal Code (‘Serious drug offences’)
see also
Crimes (Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances) Act 1990 (Cth).

 

[fatoldsun]

wow

very interesting

 

[fortehlulz]

s 15.2 Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) - 'Category B jurisdiction'
s 300.3 Criminal Code Act 1995 (Cth) Category B jurisdiction applied to Chapter 9, Part 9.1 of the Criminal Code (‘Serious drug offences’)
see also
Crimes (Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances) Act 1990 (Cth).

First and foremost, one doesn't quote the Criminal Code Act
- you are infact citing the Criminal Code, which is a Schedule of said act. Nor does one quote section 300, when it is in fact division 300 of the aforementioned schedule. If you're professing knowledge in this area, an inability to provide correct citations with regard to the legislation is not assisting your credibility.

Next, part 9.1 of the Schedule's coverage under part 15.2 is extraordinarily specific. If export of drugs is an area of interest, one would be far better off reviewing parts 307.1 to 307.4 of the Criminal Code. Again, I don't give advice on teh internets, but its certainly worth reading.

Finally, in application, lets look at it this way. We are a first world nation where from an economic standpoint, there's not point greasing palms here. We have no geographical advantage in acting as a staging point for any more profitable markets.

 

[static_mind]

Whats the legality of the cops requesting your services in spying on your friends and any drug raid that yeild you will be compensated as a % of what the street value is worth?

 

[perthboy]

wouldn't that just be like being a paid informant?

 

[Bludda]

What an awesomely informative thread.

Thanking you muchly, fortehlulz

 

[fortehlulz]

Whats the legality of the cops requesting your services in spying on your friends and any drug raid that yeild you will be compensated as a % of what the street value is worth?

Informers sign contracts saying they won't be paid, aren't employed by the police, and unless specifically indemnified, you can't touch any drugs, much less get a commission.

In drug trafficking matters, if you were assisting the police, you'd need to be indemnified against possession as if you handled any drugs, you would technically be committing an offence.

Police do do it, especially in some suburban CIUs where the pressure and competition for clean up rates is high... but it certainly isn't legal or officially condoned.

It raises far more questions than anyone officially wants answers to, becausde I assure you, that's not something they can claim back on tax.... for example, does the commission come out of the coppers' pocket, or off the top of the dealers' bankroll?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Fortehluzl

You have a lot of respect on this forum, and from what I can see, its well deserved but I've got to take issue. Since joining Bluelight a week or so ago I've made about five posts and you have rudely and dogmatically disagreed with all of them eg 'STFU', 'Are you smoking crack?' etc .

In relation to your response in this thread, yep you are right my citations were sloppy but my point was still legally correct. Of course I know that the Criminal Code is not an Act, but who else on BL would know, or care? And your right that I shouldn’t have quoted 'sections' when they are 'divisions'. Again it was just a bit of lazy shorthand, which I also thought would help in avoiding unnecessary confusion. Plenty of texts (see Brown, Farrier, Neal, Weisbrot- one of the better Criminal texts in NSW and one of the few to deal comprehensively with drugs offences) cite divisions of the Criminal Code as 'sections'. Shit, next time I'm citing legislation on an internet forum I'll remember to adhere to standards that good text books don’t even observe.

I could provide examples of other threads were you have disagreed with me just for the sake of it but I'm sure everybody is already bored. I would have thought, given that we both probably have more legal knowledge and experience than the average BL reader (you probably considerably more than I) we could both contribute in a civil and cooperative fashion. I certainly don't have any intention of muscling in on your role as the 'go to guy' for legal info. I'm just here to learn and contribute and I think it is in the interests of BL that you stop attempting to discourage me from doing so.