How to - Deal with LE.

[Anon Ymous]

Will all you fucking idiots just take your drugs inside your house before you go out? Shit manufacture some gelatine capsule that releases MDMA every 4 hours or so like they do with Concerta and Ritalin LA. For fucks sake, getting busted for drugs is a hard crime to get busted fo'. Be fuckin' slick, research your own rights and take the bulk of ur drugs befo u go out at night or have a safe stash spot in ur car or in the bushes or some area u motherfuckers r familiar with. Peace.

 

[fortehlulz]

Will all you fucking idiots just take your drugs inside your house before you go out? Shit manufacture some gelatine capsule that releases MDMA every 4 hours or so like they do with Concerta and Ritalin LA. For fucks sake, getting busted for drugs is a hard crime to get busted fo'. Be fuckin' slick, research your own rights and take the bulk of ur drugs befo u go out at night or have a safe stash spot in ur car or in the bushes or some area u motherfuckers r familiar with. Peace.

QFT. Warrants for personal use are not something you're likely to see issued.

 

[fortehlulz]

Question for the OP:

If I am found to be carrying a testing kit in public, either on the streets or in a venue (say during a random police checkpoint where it's just a basic pocket empty), is this cause for a further search? If so, how detailed of a search would it be, and could authorities take the kit from me? Assuming that I am not carrying any drugs, this is. What is the worst that could happen here?

There's not a whole lot else one can use a test kit for than to test flippers. I'd imagine you're going to cop a full search (if you're on the street, frisking. If they have facilities, a full search), and a detailed field contact will be entered into ISYS... should you come up on the radar again, there will be an assumption that you use, and you can expect ongoing further scrutiny in the future when name checked.

 

[fortehlulz]

Quick query, this is probably answered- if presented with a search warrant (house/property), if one requests a lawyer to interpret the warrant for them, does that hold off the search? Also, does a search NEED to be filmed by LE? Thanks anyone who helps
Edit: will police allow one to secure their dog, ie. lock them in a car etc.???

You get to read it. If you delay them, the door is getting kicked in - the warrant allows this. I'll add that Police's version of knocking lasts about 3 seconds and goes 'Police! Search [rear guard is winding up with the battering ram] warrant! [ram hits door], police enter screaming POLICE!! DON'T MOVE!! so that the raidee doesn't assume its a rip off. You will find this to be a common situation - despite whay 'The Force' on TV will have you beleive, warrant service is usally at about 4am when you're in the deepest point of sleep.

Search doesn't NEED to be videoed - it depends who's doing it. Local CIU won't bother, specialist teams usually do. If you aren't home, a JP or other independant person may be called to make sure there's no naughtiness depending on what state you're in.

Cops don't like dogs. If you want to deal with your dog, tell them. I know off elderly women who were threatened with having their Kelpie shot when it was barking after a burglary by the responding members. Just be aware that they can, under the warrant, even search the dog.

 

[Verybuffed]

Shit manufacture some gelatine capsule that releases MDMA every 4 hours or so like they do with Concerta and Ritalin LA.

I asked about this a couple of years ago and was told that there are no such products available. How would one go about making a sustained or time release capsule?

 

[Toefur]

fortehlulz, how much marijuana and ecstasy tablets would one have to possess in the great state of NSW to be charged with trafficing and dealing?

I was just talking to a friend of mine who works with LE and she had theis to say:

Cannabis sativa is a Schedule 2 dangerous drug

To get charged with possession – 500.0g or, if the dangerous drug consists of plants the aggregate weight of which is less than 500.0g, 100 plants. Also not any amount under 50.0 grams you can be Drug Diverted for if eligible (do not get charged).

To get charged with supply – any amount

To get charged with trafficking – any amount



3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA) is a Schedule 1 dangerous drug

To get charged with possession – 200.0 grams

To get charged with supply – any amount

To get charged with trafficking – any amount

It is important to note the charge of supply and trafficking relates to an act not the physical possession (amount) of a drug, hence any amount.

Trafficking in dangerous drugs
A person who carries on the business of unlawfully trafficking in a dangerous drug is guilty of a crime.

Supplying dangerous drugs
A person who unlawfully supplies a dangerous drug to another, whether or not such other person is in Queensland, is guilty of a crime.

Please note you therefore do not have to be in Queensland. These laws are pretty much the same state to state.

All the information comes from the following;

Drugs Misuse Act:

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/D/DrugsMisuseA86.pdf

Drugs Misuse Regulation:

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGISLTN/CURRENT/D/DrugsMisuseA86.pdf

 

[dylmeister007]

i just gotta say this is a sick thread

 

[fortehlulz]

These laws are pretty much the same state to state.

Not even CLOSE to an accurate statement. To encourage anyone to take another state's legislation as being relevant to their own is negligent in the extreme.

You have, however, raised an interesting point - that is, that any quantity can be trafficked. When we talk about a 'trafficable quantity', we are talking about a quantity which constitutes prima facie evidence that the drug is to be trafficked - for example, I know very few heroin users who'd have a pound of hammer lying around. Such a quantity is, on its own, enough to prove that you're trafficking. However, the mere possession of say, 3 seperately bagged grams of weed may well be enough to prove trafficking.

So what is trafficking? Per Anderson J ‘… the expression “traffic in” is intended to encompass any association with a drug of addiction not otherwise dealt with and involves at least the handling of such a drug in a conscious manner in the course of dealing with it’ Falconer v Pedersen [1974] VR 185. This means that to be done for trafficking, you don't need to be a dealer - you don't even need to be a user, you could just pick up some stuff and move it for your friend.

How you may ask? Trafficking doesn't merely include sale for profit. Anyone who sells, directs, moves, arranges, offers for sale or is otherwise involved in the commercial transaction/dealing with of a drug is involved in trafficking. You don't need to gain anything for it to be trafficking.

 

[ayjay]

Trafficking doesn't merely include sale for profit. Anyone who sells, directs, moves, arranges, offers for sale or is otherwise involved in the commercial transaction/dealing with of a drug is involved in trafficking. You don't need to gain anything for it to be trafficking.

QFT. In sunny Victoria, trafficking includes "preparing, manufacturing and selling a drug of dependence, as well as exchanging, agreeing or offering to sell, arranging for someone to sell to another person, buying on someone else’s behalf and possession with the intention of selling the drug. Making a gift is not considered a trafficking offence." (From ADF DrugInfo fact sheet)

So basically, if someone comes up to you in, say, a club and asks where they can get on, and you make a suggestion to talk to such-and-such, you can be done for trafficking. If you put in with some mates to get some pills, and you go and do the pick up, that's trafficking. If you've got a point of ice, and you crush it up and mix it with some glucose powder because you find it easier to snort, you can be done for trafficking...

 

[Doctor War]

I live in metro WA, and the local management of an area I frequent seem to have gotten the idea I'm some kind of dealer. Consequently, any time I pass through their property (A public park in perth CBD) they call the cops who come and search me and anyone talking to me.

I've never been found with anything illegal, I have not been charged, and I don't want to have to stop hanging out with my mates jsut because local rent-a-cops have he wrong idea.

is there some kind of harassment law this can fall under?

 

[danzaman]

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To get charged with possession – 200.0 grams

Really? REALLY? Consider your weights there! You would be in a world of trouble if you were caught with 200 grams of MDMA. That sounds like a large commercial quantity here in Vic.

 

[dnaenterprises1@ya]

Say you get raided. They find a dozen plants. Everyone in the house gives a no comment interview. Will they really take all occupants to court? Same case or separate? Or will they only charge the person on the warrant or the person who obviously owns the plants (youngish person living with elderly parents)?


On a side note I'd like to think your a copper who grew a conscience. There's a guy on youtube who used to be a copper, he's got a vid and channel called never get busted again. American, but some good info.
http://www.youtube.com/user/nevergetbusted

Knowledge is power.

 

[fortehlulz]

I live in metro WA, and the local management of an area I frequent seem to have gotten the idea I'm some kind of dealer. Consequently, any time I pass through their property (A public park in perth CBD) they call the cops who come and search me and anyone talking to me.

I've never been found with anything illegal, I have not been charged, and I don't want to have to stop hanging out with my mates jsut because local rent-a-cops have he wrong idea.

is there some kind of harassment law this can fall under?

Sounds like the person alleging you to be doing naughty things is a vexatious complainant. File a formal complaint with the local police, as well as a complaint with your state ombudsman.

 

[fortehlulz]

Say you get raided. They find a dozen plants. Everyone in the house gives a no comment interview. Will they really take all occupants to court? Same case or separate? Or will they only charge the person on the warrant or the person who obviously owns the plants (youngish person living with elderly parents)?
Knowledge is power.

Everyone who owns/rents/enjoys the property is liable unless they can satisfy the court that they aren't. That includes husbands and wives, and such threats are very, very potent bargainning tools which are used by police to gain leverage.

What is 'obvious' and what can be proved beyond reasonable doubt are two very, very different things.

I recall a case in Vic a couple of years back, the name escapes me, where a guy put up a pensioner in a house rent free, set up hydro gear, put the lot in his name, had him growing for him, and tended the crop very infrequently. Despite his prints being on the gear, the old fella ended up wearing it.

 

[danzaman]

merry christmas forthelulz. thanks again for a great thread...

 

[anarky]

I'm pretty sure fortehlulz is not an ex policeman but rather a law student or ex law student who studied hard in their Crim Law classes (Or a Criminal Lawyer, but we won't go there...). Actus reus and Mens rea?

 

[fortehlulz]

I'm pretty sure fortehlulz is not an ex policeman but rather a law student or ex law student who studied hard in their Crim Law classes (Or a Criminal Lawyer, but we won't go there...). Actus reus and Mens rea?

Res ipsa loquitur, however its not always a case of expressum facit cessare tacitum :D

 

[@thefam]

Agreed, awesome thread.

I want to know if an officer strip searches me, is he able to get me completely naked? He takes me down to my underwear, does he need more suspicion to take my underwear off? Does this have to happen at the station (in complete privacy)? At an outside event, can they do this in tents? If so, what would be classed as enough suspicion/evidence to get me completely naked? Also, if they pat me down, are they allowed to touch private areas? If so, can they use the excuse "I felt something unordinary" to get me completely uncovered?

A friend of mine had a strip search conducted on him, completely drunk one night he bought some pills off a stranger in the street while out clubbing. Two officers watched the whole transaction from a few metres away. He then shoved them down his front and when confronted denied everything. So they took him to the station. It was certainly not full frontal nudity invasive, they just dropped his pants just used a little rod to poke around till they felt the baggie.

At festivals and events they may have tents, where they could strip search you if they had reasonable suspicion. But to be honest if you just get your baggy and shove it down your jocks, they will never search you to the point where they could find it. I attend many festivals and have personally never had any kind of search conducted on me. From their point of view, theres limited resources and devoting time and energy into doing a strip search on every person that the dog sniffs and sits next to is a total waste. A quick pocket and bag search to catch the idiots is all that happens.

Anyone have a counter example?

 

[fortehlulz]

At festivals and events they may have tents, where they could strip search you if they had reasonable suspicion. But to be honest if you just get your baggy and shove it down your jocks, they will never search you to the point where they could find it. I attend many festivals and have personally never had any kind of search conducted on me. From their point of view, theres limited resources and devoting time and energy into doing a strip search on every person that the dog sniffs and sits next to is a total waste. A quick pocket and bag search to catch the idiots is all that happens.

Anyone have a counter example?

Don't know which state you're in, but seriously, LOL. That's all I have to say on this matter.

 

[drug_mentor]

First, to the OP I just want to say, very good and informative thread!
I have a question in regards to tapping of mobile phones. A friend of mine was recently picked up by police for simple possession, however, he frequently associates with several people who traffic at a reasonable level.
He is under the impression he and another of his associates has been tapped. This friend thinks that one can tell from their IMEI number if their phone is tapped. Everyone known to him other than himself and said associates IMEI number has only 15 digits, while his and said associates are 17 digits.
Also someone else I know whos phone was definately tapped in regards to burglary and moving stolenm property etc. Everyone was saying his phone was not only tapped in a sense of recording phone conversations but that the phone was essentially a listening device, which, even if the phone was off, picked up audio recording of any conversation going on around it.
My questions are, do you know how much truth there is to these statements? Can one tell if their phone is tapped based on their IMEI number and is it posssible for phones to record conversations going on around them when it is not in use?
Keep up the good work fortehlulz!