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Bupe How to combat the "heaviness"?

ErgicMergic said:
Careful with the subs, man. Even people who were opioid-dependent when they were put on subs regret being on them for so long. Using it for an antidepressant means that you will be on it long-term. Realize that bupe is a relatively powerful opioid, and being on them for a while is going to mean hell coming off. Not as bad as methadone, but it will be a long, drawn out withdrawal, and the PAWS will be nasty.

Using opioids as antidepressants, as effective as they are, will just make your depression worse when it's time to come off of them.
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Yes, I know... But I was on Effexor for one year. Effexor had no real effect, yet it killed my sexdrive and was addictive as hell. If I just missed one day I would get unbearable withdrawals. So, really, subutex is much better. I get real effects, only decreased sex drive, and the addiction is the same, if not less (as I have fairly easily tapered myself completely off twice using kratom and valerian root)

But here is a few off topic questions: How soon can I ask for an increase in dose without seeming like a a**hole? How long before those morning euphorias will disappear? And finally: IS there a difference in snorting and sublingual? I really feel there is, but it could easily be a placebo-thing. When I snort I get real pep mixed into the euphoria, where as sublingual is more of a downer... The reason I ask is because I have to take the first dose of the week supervised, and obviously cant snort it then (hehe). Basically, if someone can confirm that there is no difference, I'm sure my brain will get with the program, and get peppy even with sublingual.

Namaste
 
I had a nap literally every single fucking day for the 3 years I was on bupe. I always felt great for about 3-4 hrs after dosing but then literally started falling asleep. If I forced myself to stay awake I was just tired and pissed off.

As soon as I got off that shit my energy returned.
 
suessmayr said:
I had a nap literally every single fucking day for the 3 years I was on bupe. I always felt great for about 3-4 hrs after dosing but then literally started falling asleep. If I forced myself to stay awake I was just tired and pissed off.

As soon as I got off that shit my energy returned.
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When you say "got off"... You mean back to H, or clean?
 
well this is discouraging. I got on sub for the energy so I would not have to deal with paws and it's just making everything worse. Maybe they need to add a stimulant with bupe or something. IDk, but right now, the whole point of being on sub is nullified by the side effects. fuck me
 
dcraver877 said:
well this is discouraging. I got on sub for the energy so I would not have to deal with paws and it's just making everything worse. Maybe they need to add a stimulant with bupe or something. IDk, but right now, the whole point of being on sub is nullified by the side effects. fuck me
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Turn that frown upside down! Dividing certainly did wonders for me.. Maybe if you could increase your dose to... 4, or 5 mg, then take 2 in the morning, then 2 around mid-day, and then 1 in the evening?

(But seriously! IS there a difference in snorting and 'subbing'?)
 
snorting and subbing? huh? i talked to my doc and he said to take my dose at night instead. So I guess I'm going to take 2mg at night and maybe some more in the morning if I feel shitty. I'm not very optimistic but maybe sub will change that.......
 
dcraver877 said:
snorting and subbing? huh? i talked to my doc and he said to take my dose at night instead. So I guess I'm going to take 2mg at night and maybe some more in the morning if I feel shitty. I'm not very optimistic but maybe sub will change that.......
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Take 2mg at night? Isn't that a waste? You'll be sleeping for most of the effects? But, of course, whatever works for you is great!

I meant, whether slipping them under your (or mine :P) tongue or snorting them makes any difference...
 
that's exactly what I thought! I do not want to take it at night because it seems like a waste. I'm able to sleep fine usually even after taking my dose at 6am. Oh, snorting them gives me a headache and none of the full effects. Sublingual takes a good 2 hours to fully kick in but the quality of the dose seems far better.
 
alright guys, I ordered a big tub of acetyl l-carnitine and some other things like riboflavin, b12, and folic acid. I will see if itmakes any difference and post an update afterwards.
 
I raised my dose to 2 mg in the am and another 1 mg in the afternoon. I must say, my energy level and response time/alertness is MUCH MUCH better. For me, raising the dose helped a ton rather than splitting it! This is such a strange drug in the way it reacts totally differently in similar people.
 
dcraver877 said:
I raised my dose to 2 mg in the am and another 1 mg in the afternoon. I must say, my energy level and response time/alertness is MUCH MUCH better. For me, raising the dose helped a ton rather than splitting it! This is such a strange drug in the way it reacts totally differently in similar people.
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That's great, man! Yeah, it IS a crazy drug... a crazy friggin' amazing drug!
 
have any of you tried the alcohol method to improve whats abosrbed..ive been doin it for a year it works
 
funny you say that, i just tried adding some ginger i had with it under the tongue( i heard it improves circulation). it hasn't kicked in yet, but I'll let you know if it seems anymore effective.

okay, it has kicked in now and the ginger definitely made it kick in quicker and it feels stronger.
 
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I took asome ALCAR (acetyl l-carnitine) and...WOW, no lethargy, no slowness, very quick to respond....i think this is the ticket

or kanna.
 
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I have never felt this :heaviness" from suboxone really.I think it gives me a lot of energy.Thats why I really dont like it.But its the only thing I have my when my gf and I run out of 'her' script.
What heaviness do u guys mean?ive never felt tired or anything likr that really.I just feel kinda uppity,and like I have this weird 'inside enrgy' or somn.But I will take a valium with my suboxone when they are available,cuz it makes it feel more like a opiate.
But my gf says she feels tired on them and just doesnt have energy like wen she has her roxy script,I guess i never really reacted to it like that.Or maybe i perceive the effects different,idk
 
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