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Bupe How to combat the "heaviness"?

Exercise, B-complex, L-Tyrosine, and some other are best ways to feel ur best while one "subs" and will create a good habit for when you ultimately get off sub.
 
yea, I've tried all those. I take dlpa and l-tyrosine daily and a large dose of b vitamins.

ok, I tried splitting my dose this morning (only took .9 upon waking). It's been a couple hours and I feel like crap! there's no way i'm going to my friday class this morning. Does it take a while to get used to a split dose? How long had you been on sub before splitting your dose AnrBjotk?
 
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yea, I've tried all those. I take dlpa and l-tyrosine daily and a large dose of b vitamins.

ok, I tried splitting my dose this morning (only took .9 upon waking). It's been a couple hours and I feel like crap! there's no way i'm going to my friday class this morning. Does it take a while to get used to a split dose? How long had you been on sub before splitting your dose AnrBjotk?
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For about four months. But, people react differently. I would not advice splitting if you feel unwell doing it! Personally, having used 2mg daily for four months, I started taking 1.mg in the morning, then another at around two o clock, that is roughly six hours after the first. But by the sound of it, I wouldn't continue with this if you feel that bad.
 
Not everybody gets the best benefits from taking the smallest amount possible every 24 hours I have been prescribed different amounts for around 5 years & if I am on 16-18 hour days from the time I get up till the time I get home, about 3 mg's every 6 hours seems to keep me the sharpest during those hours (alot of people will think I'm crazy taking this amount,) but if you are using it for pain management, not having down the right dose (for your own health) will affect how well (or bad) your day goes.
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Yes, there is absolutely no reason to feel guilty or 'wrong' for needing a high dose (and really 12mg a day is not a high dose). That said, it is possible that the dose is too low for the op rather than too high. Lethargy can come from too much or not enough of an opioid when on a maintenance program. In the end you just have to weigh your options and do what is best for you in the short and long term.
 
did it take a few days for your dosage to level off and for you to feel more stable? I am going to wait until I take my afternoon dose to see how I feel. I think one day adjustment period is reasonable.
 
dcraver877 said:
did it take a few days for your dosage to level off and for you to feel more stable? I am going to wait until I take my afternoon dose to see how I feel. I think one day adjustment period is reasonable.
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If I take 4mg's too late at night w/o working hard during the day it keeps me awake But for long days I feel the best when I take somewhere between 8-12 in a 15-18 hour day I usually take 4 mg's in the morning 4 more around 4-5 pm
then usually between 2-4 mg's around 8 or 9 pm if I'm going to be up & awake There have been instances when I didnt have my afternoon dose on me & started feeling pretty bad. I always make sure I have some with me in my vehicle.
Usually I do not need the late dose, but there have been times, if I work late, I have started feeling crappy, say, 6 hours
after my second dose. I'll just say when I was taking 16 mg's a day a couple years ago it was unessesary & it didnt bother me to switch to the 3-4 mg's at a time. I should add that I take Subutex - the suboxone gave me a half an hour headache & he switched me over right away...Also when I went down to 8 mg's (at once) a day I did feel the heavyness in the evening - on the 2-3 spaced doses, this does not happen.
 
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did it take a few days for your dosage to level off and for you to feel more stable? I am going to wait until I take my afternoon dose to see how I feel. I think one day adjustment period is reasonable.
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I felt no difference in splitting the dose, apart from feeling much less heavy. But I'm starting to understand that my experience with sub is vastly different than most others.
(Not gonna give you a bio here, but I was never a heavy user, and even had to lie a little to get on a sub-programme. At the time I was put on subutex, I had already detoxed completely... I use it for its antidepressent-function.)
 
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At the time I was put on subutex, I had already detoxed completely... I use it for its antidepressent-function.
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Careful with the subs, man. Even people who were opioid-dependent when they were put on subs regret being on them for so long. Using it for an antidepressant means that you will be on it long-term. Realize that bupe is a relatively powerful opioid, and being on them for a while is going to mean hell coming off. Not as bad as methadone, but it will be a long, drawn out withdrawal, and the PAWS will be nasty.

Using opioids as antidepressants, as effective as they are, will just make your depression worse when it's time to come off of them.
 
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well, what are the "other ways" then? I feel I have tried most...
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Frankly, I dont know. But we know that dividing the dose doesn't work...
Have you tried B12? Exercise? Smaller doses but with more frequency? Yoga? Meditation? Yerba Mate? Asking your doc for some stims?
 
I've tried b-12, exercise, and meditation. I can't drink yerba mate because of the caffeine. I don't think my doc likes to prescribe other things besides sub but I can ask at my next appointment (which isn't until January...)
 
take less; don't forget bup has a long half-life. even though the liver metabolizes bup hepatically, it has a long half-life and will eventually build up. after a week (starting monday) of taking 2mgs of sub everyday, on sunday you will have around 3-5mgs of suboxone in your system. keep that in mind...
 
yea I know. But if I take less, I get less of the desirable effects such as increased motivation, lifted depression, reduced anxiety, etc. I may have less of the opiate sedation but I am still sedated in another way due to lack of dopamine release.

I figure theres probably no easy way around the sub's heaviness properties. I'm looking into nootropics to see what may be able to help me.

I think i'm going to try alpha-gpc and aniracetam. I'll post an update after I give it a shot.
 
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