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Bupe How to combat the "heaviness"?

AnrBjotk

AnrBjotk

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I'm on 2mg subutex daily. And though the first three hours or so after taking it I feel as great as a human man can feel, eventually a heavy feeling takes over.
By mid-day I feel like I've eaten a whole turkey. I feel tired, bloated (kinda), lethargic and anxious.

Is there any way to deal with this? I'm sick of wanting to go to bed at seven o'clock so that I can feel good again...

Dividing the sub into two pieces, taking the other mid-day, helps a little, but not as much as I'd like.

I may be the only one who gets this, especially on such a low dose, but d'you guys have any advice?
 
Is it just a downer-type heaviness? May be worth trying to drink a cup of coffee or taking some weak stims, see if that helps you.
 
nAON said:
Is it just a downer-type heaviness? May be worth trying to drink a cup of coffee or taking some weak stims, see if that helps you.
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Yes, I suppose it's kind of downer-type heaviness... But quite uncomfortable... or... well, I suppose it's like those people who vomit when they first try H; It's awful, but the best kind of awful.
Coffee helps a little, but very briefly, and almost feels like it makes it worse eventually.
What do you figure with weak stims? I think it goes without saying that any illegal "uppers" are out of the question. I haven't tried Red Bull or similar yet, but could give it a try.
 
Red Bull has pretty much the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee per 8 oz...in fact, it has a bit less...it does however have the other supplements that give you energy, but it still has 74mg (or 76, can't remember) of caffeine; whereas, avg cup of coffee has 80mg...

I'm not sure if they have them in Norway, but Red-lines are the shit...

8 oz bottle, 316mg of caffeine... you're only supposed to drink half of it (and it has a little gauge to show how much you drink lol) but I drink the whole thing...it's funny how it says that the product is not for people under 17 years of age lol...
 
Doug2113 said:
Red Bull has pretty much the same amount of caffeine as a cup of coffee per 8 oz...in fact, it has a bit less...it does however have the other supplements that give you energy, but it still has 74mg (or 76, can't remember) of caffeine; whereas, avg cup of coffee has 80mg...
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So I am told... but what options are there?
 
Oh man I've been having the same problem. I'm on about the same dose too (1.8mg). I tried drinking coffee but had to cut that out because my body cannot tolerate the caffeine due to a chronic illness I have. I've been thinking about trying brahmi tea (bacopa/gotu kola) which are ayurvedic herbs used to boost memory and concentration. I just need to find a good place that sell ayurvedic teas/herbs around here. Let me know if you find anything besides caffeine/amphetamines. My body can't really tolerate uppers at all but can tolerate tonic-type herbs like ashwagandha, etc...

I am assuming any herb/chemical that increases concentration of ephinephrine/norepinephrine in the brain would have a similar effect to caffeine. Maybe a nootropic like piracetam/aniracetam may be the ticket. I would prefer something herbal though.


Any suggestions? Maybe advanced drug discussion could help us with what may increase ephinephrine/norepinephrine...? Looks like l-phenalalynine may help but thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

bueller?
 
dcraver877 said:
Oh man I've been having the same problem. I'm on about the same dose too (1.8mg). I tried drinking coffee but had to cut that out because my body cannot tolerate the caffeine due to a chronic illness I have. I've been thinking about trying brahmi tea (bacopa/gotu kola) which are ayurvedic herbs used to boost memory and concentration. I just need to find a good place that sell ayurvedic teas/herbs around here. Let me know if you find anything besides caffeine/amphetamines. My body can't really tolerate uppers at all but can tolerate tonic-type herbs like ashwagandha, etc...
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Well... I think I'm one step closer to a solution! Today I took exactly 1 mg in the morning, and then the other mg at three o clock. (Before I've tried doing it 70/30, so as to not lose that morning euphoria) and the results are pretty good. I might just have a good day, but I'm less exhausted in the evening, and have more "pep" than yesterday.
I'll keep y'all posted on whether it pans out or not!
 
dcraver877 said:
Oh man I've been having the same problem. I'm on about the same dose too (1.8mg). I tried drinking coffee but had to cut that out because my body cannot tolerate the caffeine due to a chronic illness I have. I've been thinking about trying brahmi tea (bacopa/gotu kola) which are ayurvedic herbs used to boost memory and concentration. I just need to find a good place that sell ayurvedic teas/herbs around here. Let me know if you find anything besides caffeine/amphetamines. My body can't really tolerate uppers at all but can tolerate tonic-type herbs like ashwagandha, etc...

I am assuming any herb/chemical that increases concentration of ephinephrine/norepinephrine in the brain would have a similar effect to caffeine. Maybe a nootropic like piracetam/aniracetam may be the ticket. I would prefer something herbal though.


Any suggestions? Maybe advanced drug discussion could help us with what may increase ephinephrine/norepinephrine...? Looks like l-phenalalynine may help but thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

bueller?
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Did you have a go with the Ginseng herb?
 
yea i've tried ginseng. It's the only adaptogen that causes problems for me. I've tried other adaptogens such as ashwagandha, rhodiola, schisandra, and astragalus.

you should definitely give rhodiola shot. It has definitely increased my energy but not so much the "alertness" aspect of it.
 
Vitamin B-12 may help. If you're comfortable with prescription drugs, Modafinil (Provigil) is prescribed for day-time sleepiness and lethargy, shift-work syndrome, etc. I've considered Adrafinil (a drug which produces Modafinil in the body) myself for similar issues with Methadone maintenance.
 
I tried dropping my dose to 1.6 mg (from 1.8) and I am still having NO energy! I feel all spacey and out of it on sub and I can't drink coffee. This is so damn frustrating. I guess I'm going to start tapering off the sub since I can't be so lethargic all day and still function normally.
 
Well, for what it's worth, dividing the dose up really helped me!
(of course, the moment I solved that, I drop one sub on the floor, and cannot find the bugger. Now I have to go a day without! Rats!)
 
well, I lowered my dose today by only a little bit and had a pretty big reduction in energy levels. If I drop my dose to HALF then I can't imagine how bad I would be feeling in the morning. I guess I can give it a shot, but I don't think its going to help much.
 
It's worth a shot
(now help me out here... I cant find the darn sub that fell on the floor...)
 
dcraver877 said:
get a flashlight and lay down on your stomach (get comfortable ;) ) and look under everything.
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Already did that. I've more or less "scraped" the entire floor with my hand. Got a hand full of dust and crap, but no sub... But I'll keep looking. Worst comes to worst, I'll have to use 0,5 on saturday and sunday. Thanks anyway. And good luck to ya!
 
look on the opposite side of the room. they tend to roll when dropped, not stay in place. they roll at least 3-5 feet at times. those round pills....
 
Well, I've been dropping Tic-Tacs all day long to estimate the trajectory. LOL, look at me, friggin MacGyver :P
 
I know exactly what your talking about, though I only experienced it at four mg a day, I've since dropped to two mg and I dont get it at all. The best thing to do is to divide the dose in my oppinion, in equal parts and take them at least eight hours apart.

If you I.V, then you can shoot .3 mg two times a day without raising your tolerance, and you wont get that heaviness (for some reason I.V makes sub a lot more energizing to me.) However I'm not recomending that you inject your subutex of course, only if you are into that.
 
Have you considered taking small mg. amounts every 4-5 hour like full on agonists are prescribed ? I dont want to suggest anything unhealthy for you, but I know people that use Subutex this way & if they dont, they get w/d effects.
Not everybody gets the best benefits from taking the smallest amount possible every 24 hours I have been prescribed different amounts for around 5 years & if I am on 16-18 hour days from the time I get up till the time I get home, about 3 mg's every 6 hours seems to keep me the sharpest during those hours (alot of people will think I'm crazy taking this amount,) but if you are using it for pain management, not having down the right dose (for your own health) will affect how well (or bad) your day goes.
 
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