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How to Break Someone from Looping? Experienced Trippers help!

sounds like your dad just didn't have any way to empathize for the kid and was scared for his own homes safety, acted irrationally but in his mind he was "protecting the integrity of the home" or something, or even felt unsafe.

I've had two/three friends get really loopy before, one is a very intelligent friend of mine who was in a fugue of sorts, walking around backlanes, picking up things saying dates and names and events then spacing out... turning 180 and starting on about a different thing... this was alot more organized and less frightening, this time I knew he was going to snap out of it eventually and he was alot more gentle in character


but another old friend was in a much more scary way, asking me odd questions like "was I just talking or were you?" and deeply fearing me as a influence in his world while all the while im just trying to dodge other people because my friend here is going to come off as insane to passerbys. I would try to get him up and walking because he was just writhing on the ground complaining about snakes and bugs all over him (which...werent there) and he would stand for a moment, look at me with dead eyes, fall down and start at it again... I dont know if he ever really snapped out of this one.

It can happen to alot healthier people than others but everyone seems prone to a humbling trip here and there, I find as a previous poster had mentioned that mental conditioning has alot to do with it, the very cognitive fellow was talking about specific things, dates, times, people, places, the meaning of words, but still looked a bit tranced out, but my other buddy who was more loose in the head to begin with, he looked very scared, looked like he was gluing on a smile and being defensive, and he was going into his own body in pain or what looked like pain... it was much more frightening.

I've yet to have myself have a hard time with ego death but always accept it as a chance and hope certain friends are around if it happens, and not others :P
 
being stuck in a loop is living hell, pure insanity. awhile ago i did a stupid combo of lots of alcohol, couple drags from a salvia joint, nitrous and sniffed two big lines of DMT in a flat full of people who were doing nitrous. needless to say it was a stupid thing to do, in completely the wrong setting, it sent me fucking nuts for about half an hour. i properly lost the plot, and went insane, completely stuck in a loop, when i actually snapped and realized i was in a loop i thought i was going to have to go to a mental asylum. then the loop started up again, then i snapped back. it felt like it would never stop. i felt ok the day after but when i tried to sleep i and had some weird flashback/panic attack and it felt like my brain was actually SCREAMING. i induced PTSD i assume. i thought i had fucked myself up. its been 3 months since that and i still get mild feelings of what happened when i go to bed, words being repeated over and over in a deep nitrous oxide induced voice, a feeling of sinking dread followed by a strange vibration and panic
 
Shit sucks, man...I had a somewhat less encompassing experience, in that I was aware of my surroundings but still couldn't shake the psychotic thoughts. Every few minutes I would feel like I had a handle on it, but would just slide right back. Terrifying. And I definitely experienced PTSD-like symptoms for 2-2.5 months afterward.

I don't know if anyone could have helped me...the only thing I can think of that really would have helped would have been just letting go and allowing the ego death experience to occur, but I was not in a place mentally or emotionally to allow that to happen, hence its occurrence in the first place. A friend telling me to just 'let go' and roll with it would probably have been perceived as a threat.

Tough situation, and it's really hard to predict how any given person is going to respond to attempts to intervene. Probably the safest bet is to allow the trip to run its course and try to learn from it afterward.
 
I don't blame your dad for getting violent back at Jim. Jim was, after all, being violent himself, even if he was in an altered state. However, forcing Tom to drive with Jim as a passenger was a really bad move. Tom was intoxicated as well, and Jim, with the way he was behaving, very well could have caused Tom to get in a car accident. Argh that frustrates me.
 
alantis360 said:
did you smoke jwh and just get really paranoid, or did you go all manic like in the post???
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Just got paranoid and was having terrible panic attacks. I was only on less than 20mg of 4-AcO-DET so nothing like the guy in the OP. Still haven't fully recovered and that incident happened 9 months ago.
 
That sounds exactly like what I have experienced. I have substance induced psychosis. In ideal situations, psychedelics and cannabis can cause me to experience a psychosis. Your friend most probably has an underlying mental condition. In my opinion, there is no way you can help him while he is in a psychosis. During that state, nothing that is said is actually heard by the person. They are in their own world because their ego is completely removed. In that state they are often in a loop, talking to themselves, and trying to talk to others about things that make no sense to anyone but themself. At that point, abstinence from any substance(especially if they are mind altering) is recommended, if they are lucky enough to come back to reality.
 
i think in his day to day life, he carries an uncomfortable fear of death

and then this trip multiplied that fear big time, bringing up a variety of difficult emotions. combine with some complexes he clearly has in regards to his spirituality

and then no one was really expecting this level of immensity to the trip, and the loss of control, the unravelling of his neuroses, and people began to get scared and then it all just blew up. like your dad was scared and panicked

how is he now? probably a bit shaken up, im guessing he wants to rest and recover ? maybe he even feels better now that it's all "out of his system," like a psychological form of puking
 
If you understand how to break out of the thought loop yourself, you can guide them through it. Otherwise, benzodiazepines are your friend if it gets really bad, but don't try to fight it or ignore it on your own; accept the idea and look for what comes next.

JWH-xx compounds seem to cause some ugly anxiety. Stick to weed if you can help it.
 
i don't think he has a mental illness, unless he still acts like that while not under the influence. he probably was not ready for a hard core spiritual experience, tryptamines can get deep, ie. the contemplation of your own death and the end of the world.

this case is a good example why psychedelic should be handled with care and respect, knowing its not all shits and giggles.
 
I went into one of these bad trips once. 3.5g of mushrooms and 20mg of 2cb and I pretty much blacked out the world around me. They said I kept saying the same shit over and over. To me it all seemed like a dream and I do remember coming back down to earth and thought that was part of the dream until I totally came to and was like wtf is going on. Ego death? or looping?
 
I am a psychologically healthy person, for the most part.
I have had breakdowns and experienced thought loops on high doses of mushrooms, LSD, and DMT. 8o
I have been left shaken to the core, psychologically unstable for days or weeks after particularly strong trips.


I have always either
a) returned, or
b) mentally adjusted to this new viewpoint, based upon an enhanced understanding of myself / life/ social relationships. What had been unthinkable or crazy is now common sense.

Maybe I am saying that, if I am successful in my tripping, I become "crazy", from the vantage point of "the old, pre-trip me" in that I have a new perspective.

Ego death is insanity.

But I have also seen friends trip out very, very hard with thought loops, or blacking out, and I have witnessed seizures, and more, I do want to say that people can get very, very crazy during trips - like your friend, OP - and that they nearly always come back to (striking distance of) consensus reality, roughly where they started.

"Mentally Ill" can be a funny term.
It basically is a scientific way of saying "crazy".
Everyone is crazy, though, to at least some extent.
In fact, this may be the best part of (some of) us. ;)
Some people think that taking drugs is "crazy".
Those of us who love drugs think they are "crazy".
When we submit to the spontaneous, we run the risk of being labeled "crazy".
When we are under the influence of psychedelics, we are "crazy" by definition - thinking in some unusual way, seeing connections and patterns where sober people do not.

Not that I do not believe in "mental illness", as a psychological term, or fail to grasp the usefulness of a commonly agreed-upon definition. But in the context of taking high doses of psychedelic drugs, craziness is par for the course. :D What your friend did sounds like an extremely intense experience, but it doesn't sound unheard of.
Read through some of the train wrecks and trip disasters on Erowid for salvia or mushrooms, for example, and you will find many examples that sound similar to your friend's.

That said, your friend may be very shaken to the core, and any help and reassurance you (and others) can give him could be very beneficial. <3
 
Especially since it was a shock to him he may have tripped so hard he lost control of reality and started thinking maybe he could be dying? This happened to a friend of mine on pcp a while back. I wouldn't worry about a mental illness I think the drugs shocked him. Although that is a pretty damn extreme reaction
 
too much tryptamine, nasty cannabinoid additional (benzo's often help cannabis freakouts)

end of story. dont repeat
 
I know he's your friend and stuff, but, a simple punch in the face to knock him out will put him to sleep and wake up refreshed. It's a bit barbaric, but if some one is a danger to themselves and others, they need to be restrained.
 
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