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auriolus

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Hi there! I've been a casual drug user for 5 or 6 years and last night at a party I had the chance to try pure MDMA for the first time. I bought my gram which came as a bag of off white slightly brown powder which i eyeballed into a cup and kicked back with a little warm water (which is how the guy recommended i take it)

I want to start by saying everyone at the party was on this stuff and maybe it's my inexperience with the drug talking but it seemed to me that everyone was tripping. this MDMA was extremely psychedelic, like full blown visuals that i'd normally experience off 2 tabs of acid and on top of that after the visuals went away it kept me stimulated for 12+ hours which goes against everything i've read about molly. it also didn't give me that in love with everyone feeling that I got when I took an ecstasy pill a few years ago and while dancing felt good i was much more interested in just talking to people, nobody at the party was really dancing.

Basically i'm just wondering if that's normal for pure MDMA? I'm thinking i was actually sold some weird RC or something like 4-aco-dmt mixed with meth. I still have a good amount of the bag left and it was a fun time but if I do it again with friends I don't want to be telling them it's molly if it's not

Thanks!
 
Even if you tested the stuff yourself using a home test-kit (did you?..) and even if it came up as MDMA, I'd get the stuff tested; Thoroughly tested, like lab-tested. I get the feeling a lot of people on here would be very interested in the results..
 
Did you reagent test? Get a scale so you know how much drugs you're taking.
 
mdma does not keep you stimulated for 12 hours. we cannot tell you what you took, but i can only reiterate the suggestion to get a test kit the next time.


if you have taken an ecstasy pill before you should know exactly what mdma feels like (as long as the pill was not adulterated). mdma is the active ingredient of ecstasy and there are no differences in effects between pills and powder/crystals (apart from the slightly longer comeup for most pills) as long as neither are adulterated.

that said, mdma can get pretty psychedelic at times, depeding on the dose (higher doses -> more psychedelia) and of course set and setting. at a time when i smoked lots of dmt i once had a roll with insane visuals with a normal dose (i have taken the same (tested) pills before and afterwards at the same dose and had no comparable visuals). but mdma visuals are very distinct from those you'd get from a "real" psychedelic. i can't see how anyone could confuse the two if they had experience with both.
 
I find MDMA is quite psychedelic, it has a similar level of psychedelia to the equivalent dose of mescaline I find. So for example if I took 140mg of MDMA, the psychedelia is similar to taking 140mg of mescaline. I.e, you're certainly not tripping properly at that dose, but there is an undeniable psychedelic altering of your consciousness including some mild visual effects.

The drug you took, however, certainly does not sound like MDMA.
 
This sounds like it could be 5 or 6-APB. The duration, the psychedelic touch and the brownish appearance. These chems are usually sold in the succinate salt form that is brownish/tan.
The APB's also tend to be more mongy than MDMA, no desire to dance or move around. You get that couch locked feeling.

Lovely and rare drugs though, will take them over MDMA any day. But thats just me I guess.

Anyway nobody can tell you for sure whats in your baggie, submit a small sample to a lab for testing.
 
Personally speaking, it can be very psychedelic, but that certainly had something to do with me (very unusual metabolism), the place I was, people I was with, mood... and all the other stuff I'd been taking (i.e. strong dope, amphetamine, codeine, strong cider, nicotine, caffeine.... and basically, puffing at anything vaguely passed my way... hem hem!). I can clearly recall at one very hot club (hot in every way) seeing everyones faces covered in peculiar veins, rather like purple/blue decomposing corpses as they lurched through the CO2, sweat and skunk fumes. What horror... so you might think, but I just found it highly amusing and great fun, and ended up in bed with one of them.

I'd be cautious about 'test kits' - they may test 'okay, MDMA, good stuff too!@ by turning blue or whatever, but they'll not tell you of many additives - and if some generous, light hearted 'joker' is around with a bottle of liquid acid, you'll not know! I have known such expensive methods used to 'liven up' parties, and been truly delighted By the results, even though I condemn utterly the practice of 'spiking' anyone with anything, at any time!

I'm pretty sure that was not the case on that occasion for me, and IIRC the E's we'd all taken were not especially good, according to my companions. I'd just say that it best to assume you don't really know what's going to happen, just plan not to drive or operate machinery for a good 24 hrs whatever you are taking, and take it as it comes.... all part of the adventure?
 
Yeah it can be extremely psychedelic for me too. When I first started rolling I had to take a (too) high dose to get to this level but these days I get it on low doses even. If I smoke a spliff while rolling, I am almost guaranteed to get insanely vivid hallucinations, on par with a medium acid trip (though different). I have come to enjoy this. At first these hallucinations are a bit frightening because you don't expect that from MDMA and because they can be pretty dark at times. But once you get used to them they are actually pretty beautiful and very lifelike.

Don't go taking insane doses to hallucinate though, as I said I get this on low doses even these days after a spliff (weed greatly amplifies the hallucinations for me). There are better drugs out there if you want to trip. It's just an added bonus for me =D
 
Good to hear BlueBull... I don't do 'guilt', but came close when I discovered all my friends just didn't get the same joy, effect and divine inspiration I got, from the same pills and doses. It seemed unfair really, but such is life I 'spose? Never made me dance much though - my penalty? The psychedelic side was most fascinating sometimes, and never frightening. I recall an 'eyes shut' experience after a rather disappointing 'Mitsubishi' once - travelling at will through an extensive, beautiful country scene, rather like the Haywain. My GF at the time got pissed off with watching me sitting at the table with "... that stupid, soppy smile - wake up!".... jealous I suspect?
 
MDMA is only very mildly psychedelic for me. The mindset was extremely relaxing and enjoyable on occasion though. Made me want to wear sunglasses at night, drive around looking at all the pretty colored lights, get a back massage, and have a deep conversation with a stranger.
 
It depends on what you mean by psychedelic. It's not nearly as psychedelic as magic mushrooms or LSD in terms of disintegrating normal reality but it can be very psychedelic in the sense of providing you insights about yourself and it can pretty visual also at higher doses. For me the main difference is I think magic mushrooms and LSD set my mind free and the experience is much less dependent on pharmacology. For instance, on mushrooms/LSD you can feel extreme happiness but its caused more by the set and setting than a specific pharmalogical aspect of the drug. This is better for your brain, because LSD and mushrooms don't use up your happy chemicals the way MDMA does. Of course set and setting influence an MDMA experience also, but there is a strong pharmacological push toward a euphoric, relaxed state of mind. The good side of this is obvious, but the bad side is like I said you use up your happy chemicals.
 
Initially hell yeah, MDA even moreso... Enjoy it however because the psychedelic effects go hand in hand with the magic as it's called. The closest thing I get to psychedelic effects from MDMA is just HD vision and awesome looking lights, but it's far from what it once was. Use it responsibly, all amphetamines MUST be respected and used responsibly or they will fuck your shit up sideways, upsidedown and take a massive shit on your brain (not kidding).
 
garygroundwork said:
When I take 4/5 pills I start seeing things. Not on the level of a acid of course.
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At higher doses a significant amount of MDMA is metabolized by n-dealkylation (mainly by CYP1A2) to MDA. A normal dose (120-150 mg) will convert to about 7% MDA; however a 400 mg dose will convert to as much as 20% because of inhibition of CYP2D6

Of note is that even at normal recreational doses, 28% of MDEA (MDE) is converted to MDA (based on 32 hour urine collection) -- higher doses will result in more MDA.


SO it's mainly MDA causing the psychedelia.
 
I've found MDEA to be more psycedelic compared to MDMA, more mongy/trippy with less energy and stoning type of euphoria... However I would always take more MDEA compared to MDMA in comparison dosage wise, and the high amount means more MDA conversion so makes sense there.

As the MDEA experience goes on, much like an MDMA experience it leads into a more focussed, alert, blissfull feeling with a more chilled out vibe compared to MDMA, enjoyable but not balls to the wall euphoria.
 
shugenja said:
At higher doses a significant amount of MDMA is metabolized by n-dealkylation (mainly by CYP1A2) to MDA. A normal dose (120-150 mg) will convert to about 7% MDA; however a 400 mg dose will convert to as much as 20% because of inhibition of CYP2D6
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do you remember where you read this? it's entirely plausible but i haven't seen any data on that (and i'm doubtful you could get the high doses needed through ethics commission) yet and it would be nice to have it as a reference.
 
Phew! It seems to me we're back to 'basics' here, to be honest, what have we taken, with what and in what mood etc etc... and in the end, most of us probably have no idea? Is this the truth? It's also a matter of what we consider 'psychedelic', and that's a very tricky one indeed! Nice or nasty, good or bad.... fun or terrifying..... does anyone truly know? I don't...
 
I've had pills Edata tested as MDMA only make me trip harder than LSD. I've had MDA tested pills not make me trip at all. Every drug I've had with the methylenedioxy has been very open to the situation and environmental factors surrounding me. Methylone by its chemistry and SAR should be by default incapable of psychedelic experiences but I had an experience that rivaled DMT in terms of visuals and profound spirituality. I've also taken MDA that was tested as MDA 97% pure not take me anywhere close a caffeine and MDMA did. I just wasn't in the mindset to let myself be violated by the drug so I held it back.

I can tell you that I went to an outdoor festival and watched Ms Pacman knock Pacman out of the sky with a baseball bat on MDA/caffeine pills but those same pills a week prior didn't give me any visuals whatsoever but made me incredibly horny.

The reality is you don't know anything about anything unless you test your pills because even the least psychedelic drugs can trigger a psychedelic experience under the right circumstances.
 
Quite honestly I've had only mild hallucinogenic experiences with mdma, even at relatively high doses, although the 1000 mg dose spoken of by OP goes beyond my experience.
In fact I would question if you have had pure mdma, but absent testing there is no knowing what you took
 
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