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How much seeds required for getting high? (Black henbane/jimsonweed seeds and morning glory seeds) and best consumption method?

Coconut6321

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Hello I am wondering how many seeds are required to get high on scopolamine and which seeds would be best, Jimsonweed or black henbane?

I am also wondering how many morning glory seeds are required to get high on LSA.

What would be the best method to consume the seeds? Crushing them and eating them or making a tea out of them? Is it possible to crush and smoke the seeds?

Im planning on mixing scopolamine, lsa, gabapentin, thc, and blue lotus all together to get high as hell.
 
As someone who would say they have extensive experience with it, zero. You will have delusions of sobriety, so you won't feel high. Your mouth will be drier than you've ever experienced a day in your life. Benadryl, promethazine, weed, none of it compares.

You cannot piss. But dear lord will you try. You'll have the fullest bladder of your life and only be able to let out a few drops at a time, but it'll keep filling up, because you'll keep drinking water, even though the tropanes will stop it from absorbing at all. It just goes through you. Or it would if you could piss. Your brain literally swells against your skull when you take enough to get a real delirium.

It increases risks of dementia drastically. It gave me heart palpitations for a long time. The only visuals I ever got were either extremely short-lived, indistinguishable from reality (ie; youre not 'high'), or long term. By which I mean seeing shadow people behind trees for about a year and half after I stopped using it.

This is the one time I would recommend the synthetic counterparts over the plants that produce similar effects. Is datura novel? Sure. Is it good? Fuck no. Just take benadryl, doxylamine, cyclizine, promethazine, hydroxyzine, any of them. At least you know what dosage is in a pill. Yaknow?

If you absolutely must do it, crush it into a fine powder, add 5 parts sugar to every part of seeds and homogenize it (mix it VERY well), use a coffee grinder if you can. Then start with a tiny pinch of the powder, and work your way up. Don't redose for a very minimum of 3 days. Every time you make a new batch, you need to start at a tiny pinch once again and gauge the strength.

But again, just fucking dont.

I know youre just a kid, cause nobody else uses gabapentin, lsa OR datura, let alone all of them together. No diss, just stay safe, but really, you've never done a drug as dangerous or unpredictable as datura, and you should keep it that way.
 
10 seeds of jimsonweed could be quite strong dose, so better to start with lower amount, I would say max 5.
Do not combine it with anything. Do not even have any drug at your disposal if you try it, with enough tropanes you will forget that you have taken it.
Crushing and eating is fine.

Be prepared that datura could be extremely unpleasant, its recreational potential is very low.
 
Supposedly if you're careful with the dose it's an interesting combination:

sunset_mission said:
LongStrangeTrip said:
I have heard of mixing 1-3 seeds with LSA for a more LSD like experience over on the nexus.

Don't remember where I read that though...take it with a grain of salt :rolleyes:

I may wholeheartedly attest to this.

On numerous occasions I have found that by adding in as little as 3-5 datura inoxia seeds, I was able to achieve very powerful and long-lasting entheogenic effects from consuming only a VERY SMALL SPOONFUL of untreated Heavenly Blue Morning Glory seeds. By a small spoonful, I'm saying less than 2g, about 25-50 seeds. The nausea was very minimal, the vasoconstriction barely noticeable, yet for an entire 10 hours I was very noticeably "tripping" just as hard as I would on a dose of 10g. I did this regiment several times over the past few months, one of my favorite settings being my current Philosophy class in college.

I felt my field of consciousness expanding tremendously; my perceptual and mental awareness was such that I was able to examine each and every statement said from various degrees and pinpoint the intentions and various meanings behind every sentence in our discussions at a very rapid pace. In nearly each instance that I sat in class on this very low entheogenic nootropical dose, quasi-telepathic phenomenon was experienced. When a question was asked by the teacher, an answer would instantaneously and intuitively enter my mind without any prior contemplation upon the said inquiry. Now my class is quiet and the other students normally never participate comprehensively... yet when I would glance at any particular student and fixated upon them for several moments, they would give an answer eerily similar save for a few words as to what was in my mind.

Oftentimes the lecture the teacher gave, what he was saying coincidentally coincided with something which was within my subconscious. From my numerous experiences with this experiment my understanding of the notion that an individual's reality is a direct reflection of their psyche both multiplied and solidified itself. When I was in class it should be noted that I wasn't at the "peak" of the experience, and the effects continued for essentially the entirety of the day.

One of the most crucial aspects and benefits of mixing LSA + low dose Datura is the ease and intensity in which it facilitates the void-like state of complete stillness, emptiness and internal silence within necessary to "do work". That is just in my case however, as I subscribe to the view of utilizing this molecular technology for purposes of divine communion, manifesting my Higher Self, amongst other things one might consider "shamanic" and have had extensive history and experience with Morning Glory to the point I would consider them very reliable allies.

Perhaps it is because of my extensive relationship with them that I might have developed a sort of sensitivity to them which would result in my being able to achieve powerful and profound states of being from the consumption of a mere spoonful of seeds, though there is no doubt in my mind that were those 3 Datura seeds not added such would not have been feasible. Actually, there've been times where I do achieve non-subtle effects from that same dose WITHOUT Datura seeds, but with the Datura I achieve OEV's and the duration is kicked up to a full 10-12 hours. Besides, the psychedelic-potentiating effects of datura are well known and documented.

To recap: micro-dose of LSA + microdose of Datura = guaranteed experience that may rival 10g doses without Datura
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16132569#16132569 2012-04-24

Elaboration on what the first-quoted person said:

"These alkaloids are very useful in small doses. Small non-hallucinogenic safe doses of hyoscyamine can greatly potentiate the effects of cannabis, LSD, mescaline, and many others, and can also prevent the nausea caused by some psychedelics."

Excerpted from this post:

Atropine and hyoscyamine have less detrimental effects on the mind. They are mentally safer. They are considered stimulants in most text books, while scopolamine is a sedative. Scopolamine is notorious for causing short term memory loss. It can be so bad that you cannot even remember who you are, where you are, what you're doing, etc. Scopolamine causes delirium at lower doses than the other two.

From what I've heard, hyoscyamine is actually preferred over scopolamine. It's said to cause hallucinations without as much mind fuck as scopolamine. But I don't know how true that is.

I use both Datura inoxia (contains mostly scopolamine) and Datura stramonium seeds (contains mostly hyoscyamine) and can tell you that hyoscyamine is clearly a stimulant and scopolamine is clearly a sedative. Hyoscyamine seems to have more effects on the body, and doesn't hit the mind so hard as scopolamine can.

I have never used hallucinogenic doses of either though, and never wants to. That's extremely dangerous, requiring a near fatal dose. I use them in doses of less than 10 seeds (usually 3-5 seeds) in a day as potentiaters of other psychoactives and as anti-nausea medicines.

Scopolamine is great for treating motions sickness. I found 5 seeds could eliminate the nausea caused by vertigo (but doesn't stop the vertigo). It's a great medicine for that. Better than anything else. It's so effective that NASA uses it for motion sickness.

These alkaloids are very useful in small doses. Small non-hallucinogenic safe doses of hyoscyamine can greatly potentiate the effects of cannabis, LSD, mescaline, and many others, and can also prevent the nausea caused by some psychedelics.
69Ron. 2010-02-08. https://drugs-forum.com/threads/found-atropine-ampoules.67995/post-762628
 
This sounds like a recipe for a disaster and I hope that it's a wind-up. If it isn't then for goodness sake listen to some of the advice above, and spend a LONG time researching, especially with respect to datura; even a single seed of which can pass threshold (and not in a pleasant way).
 
I understand everyone likes to see things for themselves. I would advise against trying this though. These substances generally produce uncomfortable/undesirable effects. Users almost inevitably end up with an experience that is significantly more negative than they would have hoped.

I will leave this open, though I imagine that the internet will have plenty of information regarding the proportions of these alkaloids and how to use them.
 
Sometimes tropane-containing plants (toé) are added to ayahuasca.


Ayahuasca especial²⁴ ²⁵

Banisteriopsis caapi stem
Psychotria viridis leaves
coca leaves
San Pedro slices
Opuntia (prickly pears) pieces
peyote buttons
toé blossoms

This special concoction from Guillermo Arévalo is only intended for really experienced ayahuasca drinkers, and certainly not for beginners! It may well be the most potent pharmaceutical discovery of the ayahuasqueros to date.

Christian Rätsch. ETHNOBOTANICA AYAHUASCA / COCA: THE “LEAF OF LIFE” [Ayahuasca: Rituals, Potions and Visionary Art from the Amazon. Adelaars, A., Müeller-Ebeling, C., Rätsch, C. 2016. Divine Arts. ISBN: 9781611250510]

Using mescaline as a substitute for DMT in ayahuasca


Datura, Belladonna, Tropane Delirients, Dramamine, Benadryl, Antihistamines & The Classic Anticholinergics


Mentioned in this video↓ The guy expressed interest in it to the curandero and the curandero replied, OK, we'll tie you up.

Daniel Vitalis "Entheogens Generating the divine within". @taolee8525. 2014-09-20. YouTube.

 
Bill Wilson considered belladonna to be his first chemical spiritual experience that made him never drink again: https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/alcoholics-anonymous-was-built-on-lsd.949012/


"On a brighter note, I also had a glorious trip - where I was looking at the world. There was complete darkness around me, and I could see the entire globe, spinning before me - as if I was viewing it from space. I saw giant rainbows, and doves, circling the world. Gorgeous technicolour patterns flowed from certain points of the darkness. I can't explain how incredible it was... It felt like another dimension."

@cosmicfrequency. 2009-05-20. The Big & Dandy Datura Thread
 
That seems like some AI bullshit above

Don't mix all that together. Only thing I can guide with is morning glory seeds. 200-300 heavenly blue morning glory seeds will give you a good trip but you may puke about an hour after ingested. Get the freshest ones you can, not ones from packs of seeds possibly treated with chemicals, grind them up in a coffee bean grinder, then eat them on a peanut butter sandwich or milkshake. You will trip if you do that
 
I grew them for decades.
My experience is that the LSA in MG does decompose as the seeds get older. Anything more than 6 months to 1 year old will very likely be inactive,

Is it just a quantitative difference or also a qualitative difference? I've heard people say older seeds make you drowsy, but that could just be placebo.
 
Lord!

I bet to you this must sound as Do Not Do This Cool Thing, but taking Jimsonweed is really dangerous, even if you do know what you are doing.

Jimsonweed.

They should call that stuff don'tura.

Limited experience says that if it works, you've done too much.

Don't fall for the idea that using datura makes you somehow wiser and 'more in the know' than other inexperienced drug users, because it's a punishing experience even for seasoned hallucinogen and disso users.

That it grows freely about everywhere doesn't mean you should be taking it freely.

Read these datura reports on Erowid, to see if that's what you want, because it's likely those kinds of things will happen to you.

I have had a housemate in the nineties who became blind/cross eyed for two weeks because of datura (stramonium?) and I myself have been delirious in 2001(?) for three days on the streets of Madrid.

Having said this. If you must take datura, you might try smoking a single dried flower.

I was going to pick one, iron it and crumble it into a [hash] joint.

I'm sure it will alter your mood, without the delirium/the terrible delusions of sobriety.

I haven't done this myself yet, as it's impossible to get away from my mother (in whose house I live at almost fifty years of age).
 
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Imagine "Henbane was one of the ingredients in gruit, traditionally used in beers as a flavouring. The recipe for henbane beer includes 40 g dried chopped henbane herbage, 5 g bayberry, 23 L water, 1 L brewing malt, 900 g honey, 5 g dried yeast, and brown sugar. Henbane fell out of usage for beer when it was replaced by hops. "
[rumored purpose surpressing the drunk monk s sexual desires/ Hop]

So before people drunk a coctail of Alcohol and Henbane, what is a effective dose ?
The still make this somewhere in EU, tradition thin a East-European country.
The effect s the person described it seemed pretty heavy, the homebrew.

and

Gruit is a combination of herbs, commonly including:

  • Common heather (Calluna vulgaris).
  • Ground ivy (Glechoma hederacea)
  • Horehound (Marrubium vulgare)
  • Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris)
  • Sweet gale (Myrica gale)
  • Yarrow (Achillea millefolium)
Drank this Beer, one Belgium brand uses Gruit,
and Taste wise Hop lost, bigtime. Still 99 % of the Beer has Hop.

Fuck religion messing with our Beer,
but good they took out the Henbane.
 
That seems like some AI bullshit above

Don't mix all that together. Only thing I can guide with is morning glory seeds. 200-300 heavenly blue morning glory seeds will give you a good trip but you may puke about an hour after ingested. Get the freshest ones you can, not ones from packs of seeds possibly treated with chemicals, grind them up in a coffee bean grinder, then eat them on a peanut butter sandwich or milkshake. You will trip if you do that
Agreed.
 
This person describes the datura experience as "the most easily-obtainable, legal, bountiful, cheapest, and life-affirming, transcendent, amazing, superb, enlightening, indescribable [experience] available to humankind" and "many times more brilliant than LSD":

Misinformation, misunderstanding, ignorance around datura


Datura & DPH are D2 agonists from lower than base ACH levels, Making them dopaminergic psychdelics by objective fact.
 
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