How much ritalin to get me safely high?

[javie]

I'm new to these drugs. Today was the first day I took ritalin. 4 orally and 2 snorted, so 40Mg eaten and 20Mg snorted. They didn't get me high how I thought I was going to get or how people said it was, I mostly just twitched and jerked a lot, little spacing out here and there. I'm 5 foot 4 and 150 pounds, did I not take enough? How much should I be taking? Orally,or snorting? How much is too much?

 

[pasha]

The answer to this question is specific to many factors that are intrinsic to you such as metabolism, food intake, and your neuro/biochemistry.

The oral bioavailability of methylphenidate is ~30% while insufflated is ~65%. This means that snorting Ritalin is most likely to achieve you better effects.

The only way to determine what dose is effective for you is by trial and error. I would recommend that you start at a low dose and titrate up to achieve the wanted effects, although if I were you I would ditch the methylphenidate all together. You've already taken a high enough dose so its safe to assume that you are not going not get any desirable effects from this drug.

Methylphenidate is not suited for many people and the side effects you are experiencing are classical of this drug, hence why most people prefer amphetamines over it.

How to get high threads are discouraged in this forum. You may ask different questions that relate to safety and harm reduction in your future posts. Eg. How do I safely use Ritalin? How do I get the most out of my Ritalin? How do I lower my tolerance to Ritalin?

Good luck.

 

[Jabberwocky]

i think you took enough. mph just isnt suited to you for recreational use.

60mg as a first time use (actually, that was my first time using the stuff) had me tweaked the fuck out. it was one of the most intense highs i've experienced. was my first stim actually.

did you take it all at once? or redose over time periods? even still.... that should have had you flying.

 

[arab691495]

Orally, even at larger doses to an extent, seems to lack the euphoria insufflation provides of mph. If it's an amphetamine/cocaine high you're looking for(i assume based on what you're experimenting with), why not just go try them(responsibly)? Not only is mph "rough" on the come down to say the least, but the euphoria is lacking in comparison to those other drugs. Plus unless you have access to focalin(Dexmethylphenidate-same drug just 1.7-2.0 x's more potent)which also has a cleaner high and come down, you'll have fun trying to snort a mountain of powder, more than Focal makes which is already a ton, to get the effects you want. Trust me: save your nose/body for better stuff, as you'll find everything is generally relative in regards to euphoria (dopamine/serotonin/the other chemicals in your brain creating those feelings have always been there, and though the intensity of said feelings may vary, it's all comparable and slightly familiar.)...plus, if you're snorting pills you're already abusing a substance, so don't be afraid to try something new just because it's labeled as "hard" (in moderation, within reason as they're more likely to be cut than pharmaceutical grade pills)-not only are they more efficient in price but they're more effective in giving you a good feeling than mph could ever be. I'd recommend giving cocaine a try for effects similar to but much better than mph if you come across a reputable source . Don't get me wrong, every drug is still different (way better) than what the body can feel naturally, hence the reason drugs are used... but basically once you've been up naturally or otherwise or down naturally/otherwise, the feeling is very identifiable with just subtle differences between substances which can be seen easier with more experience (for example, xanax and oxycodone are downers and share depressant effects, but they feel/act entirely different at the same time as xanax lacks opiate euphoria and oxycodone allows you to remember things a little easier-the depressant tired feeling you associate with them is what you experience naturally to a lesser degree, but that connection allows the individual effects of the drug to be discernible )

 

[Jabberwocky]

i'm not sure what you're suggesting above. are you saying he might as well try harder drugs because he's snorting ritalin? well thats just absurd and un-responsible. especially recommending the use of cocaine as an alternative to ritalin?! the only way that you can produce the same kind of high to a cocaine one is through IV use. i don't think the OP has gone that far - or should he because he's already "abusing a substance"?

if you're looking for euphoria from ritalin, it can be had. in fact the most intense and best high i've ever had was from ritalin - when i found my correct dose curve and didn't re-dose after my inital dose i experienced two hours or sheer and utter mind blowing euphoria. i had taken it orally, not snorted, as all i had was concerta's and i needed to chew them up.

the come down is very nasty though bear that in mind. but like i've said, if you felt nothing from 60mg of the stuff the first time you tried it, i really doubt you'll be able to find a nice dose to give you the euhporia i felt. it is VERY dose dependant stuff and is insanely moorish (you crave to redose like a fiend). if you can let go of that sensation and control yourself you won't suffer an as bad come down. the high is short lived, but intense.

i don't think its the right drug for you. as for terms of safety with ritalin its quite a safe drug, but can become cardiotoxic at very high doses. the side effects are also dose responsive, the higher you dose the harder you'll feel the plethora of horrible side effects - tachycardia, paranoia, chest pain (that was my main issue with the stuff!).

if you're planning on dosing higher i strongly suggest investing in a benzodiazepene - only one or two, diazepam 10mg is the best way to go with it to be taken at the end of the high. you'll thank me later. however, this can lead to a horrible bouncing between the two and two dependencies and addictions to drugs.

 

[stirfry]

Honestly, methylphenidate is not well suited as a recreational drug.

It was one of the first drugs I experimented with after marijuana and alcohol a handful of times. It never really was what I was expecting the first few times I took it. I would only snort about 10-20mg then. That was enough to feel it, but it actually made me feel somewhat lethargic and kinda dizzy rather than hyper and excited like I expected.

Fast forward a couple of years, and I am much more experienced with a variety of drugs. Taking methylphenidate does have an familiar signature similar to stimulants such as amphetamines/cocaine, but there is something missing from the experience. It actually makes me feel at ill ease once the dosage goes up, and the come down can be pronounced.

It works okay as a study aid though. 10-20 orally will help you study/write for about 2-3 hours, followed by a mild crash. Concerta or similar extended release formulations are probably more useful in this department.

 

[bronson]

but like i've said, if you felt nothing from 60mg of the stuff the first time you tried it, i really doubt you'll be able to find a nice dose to give you the euhporia i felt.

This. If you aren't feeling any euphoric or wanted effects at that dose, raising it isn't going to do anything towards getting you towards where you wanted to be. Just leave well enough alone, it's better for you in so many ways.

Also, I don't advocate other advice that has been given about trying other stimulants, but if you do decide to go down that path, just make sure you do your research first, as to choose a safe dose. Honestly though, after seeing what some of these substances have done to close friends, it's a road best not traveled. Irregardless, do what you can to stay safe.

 

[Deleted member 175441]

60mg will be solid euphoria. save the rest to bump your high up so you can get a nice buzz for a while bro

just saying anymore would just be a waste and a big crash. not saying take pills here

 

[Pacci1er]

Methlyphenidate can make one feel like a zombie.

Look into Ethylphenidate, I think it could be more of what your looking for.

 

[Deleted member 175441]

^have you tried mdpv, aka zombie dust?

 

[LOGan1314]

None. Methylphenidate sucks recreationally.

 

[hefe1313]

Honestly, methylphenidate is not well suited as a recreational drug.

It was one of the first drugs I experimented with after marijuana and alcohol a handful of times. It never really was what I was expecting the first few times I took it. I would only snort about 10-20mg then. That was enough to feel it, but it actually made me feel somewhat lethargic and kinda dizzy rather than hyper and excited like I expected.

Fast forward a couple of years, and I am much more experienced with a variety of drugs. Taking methylphenidate does have an familiar signature similar to stimulants such as amphetamines/cocaine, but there is something missing from the experience. It actually makes me feel at ill ease once the dosage goes up, and the come down can be pronounced.
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I'm pretty sure if ritalin slows you down you actually need it, and if it speeds you up, you don't need it. since that is what it is used for, to slow adhd or add people down...
and i wouldn't go gettting addicted to cocaine, that was a pretty out there recomendation if you ask me! wowzers
and i would NOT

 

[tomatalli]

I found that with methylphenidate that snorting it brought much stronger euphoria than orally. Orally seemee to produce hardly any effect. IME of course

 

[arab691495]

i'm not sure what you're suggesting above. are you saying he might as well try harder drugs because he's snorting ritalin? well thats just absurd and un-responsible. especially recommending the use of cocaine as an alternative to ritalin?! the only way that you can produce the same kind of high to a cocaine one is through IV use. i don't think the OP has gone that far - or should he because he's already "abusing a substance"?[/B]

Well, think about it... since I literally say "I'd recommend giving cocaine a try for effects similar to but much better than mph" in the post, then yes, I did recommend using "harder" drugs, but with, what you seem to have missed, harm reduction in mind. Let me explain everything to you in simple terms- Since the OP wants a high, I suggested a way to get a roughly similar if not better buz, without as many negative side effects, but wait, there's more... I'll go even further and spell it out for you.

To even get a reasonable high on mph from insufflation(most effective ROA with the least risk) one must snort a good bit of it. The binders/fillers that account for 90% of the pill can't be good for your nasal passages, the high isn't crazy awesome or notable in length, and it has a hard come down-essentially recreational use is wasteful both of the drug and your nasal tissue.


By saying "how much Ritalin to get me safely high" the OP essentially wants a safe dosage and/or ROA at which he can achieve the sought after, upper-like high (stimulating/euphoric effects)Ritalin provides when not used therapeutically. He should be asking "what is the most efficient/least damaging way to achieve a 'stimulant' high?"...stimulant highs (not to mention methylphenidate and cocaine especially, as opposed to mph and say "mdma" or another stimulant) share many effects, to the point that, for example, studies have shown that IV methylphenidate and dexmethylphenidate even more so was extremely hard if not impossible to discern from IV coke for most of the participants (evidence that a high is a high is a high, and that everything is related-in that to express the feelings being felt, one must have a point "of reference"[something under the same general topic to start at-in this case, the overall effect that a drug causes and therefore is classified as]...) Take, for example, how mushrooms at low doses feel like a really good marijuana high, and how lsd is often described as a more intense shroom trip with more visuals- point being all three are labeled psychedelics, they have feelings that are relatable with each other, stimulants relatable to stimulants, opiates to opiates, etc, no matter how different the substances may be...

The key to drug use of any kind without abuse is *******self control. Because as soon as it's lost, who's left, if you're unlucky enough to not have a close friend/parent who can help, to control you other than the drug itself? Self control/discipline, moderation, and responsibility will allow for most, even harder substances (excluding methamphetamine and pcp- phyncyclidine) out there, to be used safely, with little toll on your body/mind, and/or with substantial risk of addiction; also IME, heroin has shown me

(through this short trip report
ROA: insufflation
I made a gram and all half of basically pure, uncut, powder heroin last a whole weekend*3days* of continuous use every day after 6 P.M. Till I would pass out around roughly 2-3A.M. At the end of the bag I was expecting cravings or at least some mild withdrawals as heroin felt like an extremely potent roxicodone 30mg pill, in that the effects felt exactly the same, but duration was much longer with Heroin and the amount required to reach the same level of "fucked-upness" was much less than oxycodone [which gave me some withdrawal sickness the day after doing 3 in one night [90 mg oxycodone] . Surprisingly enough, I only had great memories, with which pondering on brought about only mild cravings, which were similar in intensity to craving food, yet put out of my mind with the same ease as food cravings are.)

as long as I knew when to quit, and actually did so when the time came, that I could keep myself under control; therefore resulting with it being, in my opinion, included in the group of "hard drugs" that can be used without necessarily leading to abuse, bodily harm, and addiction "Hard drugs" are simply labeled as such because they're more likely to result in regular abuse, bodily damage, and addiction-three areas where the line society has drawn between cocaine and mph seems to blur...
look at this from my perspective:
Regular abuse is easier with mph because of the stereotype that it's safer and therefore easier to obtain than street drugs(for example, a friend at school asks you for one and you have a script, of course you're going to give them one! Besides, he only wants it to study, everyone can(are) get(ting) them, and you're not selling him meth or crack, so no harm done right?). Cocaine is not a poor man's drug, making it harder to regularly use it with an empty bank account, and unless you're under extremely rare circumstances-like winning the lottery rare, the only place to find it other than you're always responsible,certified, honest, and reliable, friendly neighborhood drug dealer,*cough, sarcasm* is at a select few pharmacies after obtaining a prescription for said substance, as a result of some ear, nose, and/or throat problems.
Bodily harm for both includes erosion of mucus membrane/flesh lining in your nose, and vasoconstriction, eventually leading to a deviated septum if continued over long periods of time , but with the fact that even "cut" cocaine is a stronger vasoconstrictor than mph, I would think that all the extra junk you get along with the mph pill-unless you where able to single out the mph and extract it-when snorting is more detrimental to the nasal passages due to the increased risk of infection short term, and the extra erosion the binders/fillers cause as in the long term as they usually also end up being absorbed by the membrane which can only add to tissue damage caused. Any "large" or foreign particles, including the most crushed up powdered, and seemingly small a substance's molecules may look to your eye, that pass through a mucus membrane will tear and erode said membrane as they pass through.
In addiction potential, I think they are equal; cocaine has a much quicker more discernible effects,.which makes it easier to remember and therefore crave. Yet methylphenidate has effects with a rough come down which makes re-dosing seem like a great idea, causes bad cravings, and makes the binge(eventually habitual) pattern much easier to fall into. Tolerance builds too quickly in mph as well, with the amount of powder needed to maintain a high increasing exponentially if repeatedly/continuously abused; much more so than cocaine would ever cause.

In conclusion to this rant:

When I suggested using cocaine (responsibly,of course) as an alternative (if it could be obtained from a trustworthy source), I reasoned that less product(coke), both cut and uncut, usually ends up in your nose when snorted, as opposed to methylphenidate pills, resulting in much less damage to nasal tissue.. The high is relative to mph but better and different at the same time, and it's easier to judge how much cocaine you need based on its.discernible effects: it hits much faster( greater intensity = quicker onset, more numbness), greater intensity makes it more memorable-making it easier to compare various levels of purity. All of which only aids in the prevention of "re-dosing"too early thinking you didn't get enough. The logic above shows how intranasal use of cocaine could be safer, used at equal or lesser risk, and cause less damage while giving a better high than intranasal use of methylphenidate ...doesn't sound "absurd" or "un-responsible " to me-Why would you, if you're going to chase a high, use a drug weaker in its effects and more detrimental to your health, when you can use a different substance to get a similar even better high, while at the same time retaining a focus of harm reduction?

And because he's already "abusing a substance" for a high shows that he's more likely to take risks, and that he might be more likely to use another substance, leaving me (as I've experienced both "substances" and many others, and know how it all compares) to assume that my post would possibly be beneficial in that it could lead to greater knowledge, better health, or at least inspire him to think outside the box while experimenting with drugs. I simply suggested that harm reduction and efficiency in maintaining relatively similar high's could be achieved by using different drugs, as long as they were essentially the same in characteristics.
Therefore, to answer your question- whether or not OP should try IV as a ROA since "he's already abusing substances"-, I would firstly note how inconsistent the question is with what I wrote/believe. I simply argued the point that it's inefficient and that it is causing more harm to continue using mph, than to use a different substance to achieve basically the same effects. For you to go from insufflation to intravenous as a ROA, is an inconsistent analogy for one, and two, is also to assume a shit ton of unnecessary risk; not only does risk of over dose increase because a certain amount of knowledge/experience is required to inject safely, and also because the purity of the substances in question are not usually known, nor is there general knowledge of how much effect a certain dose will result with in the individual. Risk of death/amputation is increased by the binders/fillers of pharmaceutical pills which are shot up, as well as by the "other" things

I'm pretty sure if ritalin slows you down you actually need it, and if it speeds you up, you don't need it. since that is what it is used for, to slow adhd or add people down...
and i wouldn't go gettting addicted to cocaine, that was a pretty out there recomendation if you ask me! wowzers
and i would NOT

It may seem like an "out-there" recommendation if you think, as I once did, that cocaine is equal to methamphetamine on its addictive potential. Yet when I first tried it I was like "that's it?" Now that I have a history with both mph and coke, I can honestly say that the potential for addiction from using cocaine is much closer, if not equal to that of mph than to that of methamphetamine

 

[bronson]

^ While from your wall of text I was able to gather the reasons you see abuse of coke as being safer than abuse of the alternative, that's still missing the entire point of harm reduction.

To this point the OP has not indicated that they are going to further attempt to chase the high they wanted. If they choose not to, this is best period. They may be experimenting with medication but they are not yet addicted.

To all in this thread, further posting of ideas simply to get the OP high are prohibited. It is against the guidelines and against what bL stands for.

 

[crazycatman]

Methlyphenidate can make one feel like a zombie.

Look into Ethylphenidate, I think it could be more of what your looking for.

That would make sense, eph has a better ratio of dopamine and norepinephrine activity.

Anyone who's tried both care to comment?

 

[Jabberwocky]

honestly, i skimmed through that text and all i saw was coke = same addictiveness as mph therefore try it. i don't want to start a flame war, but seriously?

anyway, as bronson noted please no more suggestions as to what he should "try" to get high. thats not what BL is about.

 

[ivyleaguebitch]

first few times i took ritalin it was orally and i felt pretty much nothing, even on 30mg. i was pretty disappointed and didn't even bother taking my prescribed doses for the next few weeks. then one day, feeling rather bored, i decided to give snorting it a go. crushed up 20mg (the key here is to make sure it's super, super fine), railed it and...well, all i can say is that i managed to finish one month's prescription in less than a week. 1800 mg. unless you have a fairly decent tolerance for stimulants/amphetamines, it can definitely get you high as fuck based on all the experiences i've had sharing my pills with friends. whether or not you enjoy the type of high it gives you is, of course, a different matter. if it's only making you feel twitchy and spacey, it's probably not the drug for you - and taking more will only compound those bad effects. my suggestion is to give it one last try and just insufflate all of it at once rather than take some of it orally or repeatedly redose. if that doesn't work, ritalin isn't for you.

 

[arab691495]

I apologize for any misunderstanding and the rant (lol if you couldn't tell, I was on dexmethylphenidate while writing it); I took the OP wanting the best dose/ROA as an indicator that he planned on doing it again, which indicates he probably is going to do it again (does repeatedly experimenting necessarily mean addiction though?). I suggested IME what a more efficient and less damaging way was to get what he was after- that was harm reduction in my mind.

honestly, i skimmed through that text and all i saw was coke = same addictiveness as mph therefore try it. i don't want to start a flame war, but seriously?

anyway, as bronson noted please no more suggestions as to what he should "try" to get high. thats not what BL is about.

If you've done both, as I have, you'd see they're very similar. They effect generally the same parts of the brain and act very similarly, and while neither is "physically" addictive, the psychological want for feeling good/up comes from both of them especially if the mph is being snorted, hence my claim. If they aren't equal in addictive potential then they're at least pretty close, I just suggested cocaine over mph because less shit ends up in your nose and it's a better high.

In hindsight though, I agree with Bronson in that if the OP chooses to not do either is the best route to take overall.

 

[pasha]

^You can never ever ever medicate with illicit substances because of the lack of standardization such as contaminants found in cocaine, and the absence of medical council on dosage and administration.

Are they similar in mechanism of action, yes. Nonetheless, methylphenidate is pharmaceatical grade methylphenidate intended for medical use. Cocaine has adulterants that can be harmful and deter a user of their intention to medicate.

Perhaps one day the pharmaceutical companies will use cocaine for ADHD as they did in methamphetamine and desoxyn, until then using illicit cocaine is ill advised.