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Opioids How much Immodium do I need?
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StartedHydro
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I would have no idea of how much lope you would need to take to help ease your WDs, it often varies from person to person.
I came off close to the same level of of oxy as you a few months back I used some kratom and lope. The kratom took away WDs and actually for a short period made me feel good. The lope, which was around 25-45 mg, took away most of the WDs but I still felt a little crummy. Overall though the lope allowed me to function I was just still a bit weak, tired, and craved the high feeling. I could sleep, no RLS, no dirr, no depression, no pukes, no sweats(hot/cold flashs).
You will have to experiment a bit to even see if lope works you in that regard.... Some people only get stomach relief. I would wait for some others to add their knowledge and while doing so I would research some more on this subject for yourself.
If your looking to achieve some kind of euphoric high from lope I don't thnk you will come away satisfied(odds of it happening are real real slim), but if you take that into account and appreciate the fact that lope might make your WDs go from a 9 to a 3 in terms of agony rating.... That could be euphoric in and of itself, relief.
Good luck, stay safe.
I came off close to the same level of of oxy as you a few months back I used some kratom and lope. The kratom took away WDs and actually for a short period made me feel good. The lope, which was around 25-45 mg, took away most of the WDs but I still felt a little crummy. Overall though the lope allowed me to function I was just still a bit weak, tired, and craved the high feeling. I could sleep, no RLS, no dirr, no depression, no pukes, no sweats(hot/cold flashs).
You will have to experiment a bit to even see if lope works you in that regard.... Some people only get stomach relief. I would wait for some others to add their knowledge and while doing so I would research some more on this subject for yourself.
If your looking to achieve some kind of euphoric high from lope I don't thnk you will come away satisfied(odds of it happening are real real slim), but if you take that into account and appreciate the fact that lope might make your WDs go from a 9 to a 3 in terms of agony rating.... That could be euphoric in and of itself, relief.
Good luck, stay safe.
ech0s85
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i think theres a liquid version that would be easier to take than the pills too.
Idk about the dosage, but if you check out the lope thread you can read people stories and kinda get an idea. Let us know when you do it how much you needed and how it worked too.
Idk about the dosage, but if you check out the lope thread you can read people stories and kinda get an idea. Let us know when you do it how much you needed and how it worked too.
StartedHydro
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I always find it amusing that people(general-myself included), will say,"Woah, 12-24 pills, that's a lot!"
In actuality you have been taking in around 240 mg of oxy(does the same thing as lope in the gut, no bulking added though).... It's amazing that you might ONLY need to take 12-24 pills to stave off WDs.
Remember though... If lope halts all WDs... That all it has done, halt. One you stop the lope, the WDs will still be there in some fashion.
In actuality you have been taking in around 240 mg of oxy(does the same thing as lope in the gut, no bulking added though).... It's amazing that you might ONLY need to take 12-24 pills to stave off WDs.
Remember though... If lope halts all WDs... That all it has done, halt. One you stop the lope, the WDs will still be there in some fashion.
sp0r
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Immodium does not cross teh blood brain barrier. Try going to out patient and getting lomotil.
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It does in fact cross the blood brain barrier, lope, but is transported back out fairly rapidly.... Some of it will not be pushed out, hence the reason why some people experience relief in all areas of WDs not just intestine relief.
sp0r
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Do you really want intense intestinal damage?
Akomplice
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Lol ^^^^ really?^^
Intestinal damage.. He's asking for help not reticule.
I take around 360-400mgs a day of Oxy and back when I was at 240 I remember being sick one time and taking 20mgs of lope and it helped a lot with the kick.
If I were you, start at 8mgs or 4 if the 2 my tabs and work your way up every hour take 2 more.
You won't get high as I'm sure everyone already said it won't pass the BBB in a normal person. There are exceptions, people with neurological diseases like Multiple Sclerosis it can actually.
But that doesn't matter just take it hour by hour.
Intestinal damage.. He's asking for help not reticule.
I take around 360-400mgs a day of Oxy and back when I was at 240 I remember being sick one time and taking 20mgs of lope and it helped a lot with the kick.
If I were you, start at 8mgs or 4 if the 2 my tabs and work your way up every hour take 2 more.
You won't get high as I'm sure everyone already said it won't pass the BBB in a normal person. There are exceptions, people with neurological diseases like Multiple Sclerosis it can actually.
But that doesn't matter just take it hour by hour.
sp0r
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Cant you just get some suboxone?? Here I will give you some resources. Suboxone helps almost instantly with withdrawl, and also has some anti depressant effects caused by excessive opiate abuse. These resources will give you a DR that will use your insurance and find a DR in your area. Try the toll free number first its alot easier: 1-866-973-HERE (4373). This is the number of a help program created by Reckitt Bensicker (the pharm company that created suboxone and helps immensley, well they helped me and all my friends get off heroin anyways). A second resource is HereToHelpProgram.com
These give you access to a live Care Coach ready to help you find the resources you need,
24/7 access to online tools, peer support, counseling options, and educational resources,
Informative e-mails to support you,
A dr within a certain radious of where you live,
A DR that will accept what ever insurance you have to pay for your dr and your medicine,
And followup calls to make sure you find a Suboxone clinic that works best for you.
good luck bro, and trust me when I tell you that buprenorphine helps more that Immodium or any other half ass med there is, even methadone. And Im just trying to help, I dont work for Reckitt or anything. It got me off a decade of heroin abuse and I still take it to keep me from relapsing. Let me know how things work out. My email is [email protected] and my aim is dag109 . I would really like to know if it worked out for you.
These give you access to a live Care Coach ready to help you find the resources you need,
24/7 access to online tools, peer support, counseling options, and educational resources,
Informative e-mails to support you,
A dr within a certain radious of where you live,
A DR that will accept what ever insurance you have to pay for your dr and your medicine,
And followup calls to make sure you find a Suboxone clinic that works best for you.
good luck bro, and trust me when I tell you that buprenorphine helps more that Immodium or any other half ass med there is, even methadone. And Im just trying to help, I dont work for Reckitt or anything. It got me off a decade of heroin abuse and I still take it to keep me from relapsing. Let me know how things work out. My email is [email protected] and my aim is dag109 . I would really like to know if it worked out for you.
WSB15
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I've taken up to 8mg (4 pills) at a time. The normal dose for its intended purpose is 4 mg and no more than 8 mg per day. I would generally just take 4 mg at a time, and it helps with a lot of the physical symptoms. Withdrawing from an oxy dose like that, you're still going to be hitting up the john a lot if you take a few loperamides. So I don't see how "intestinal damage" could occur.
As for suboxone...that causes worse constipation than regular doses of loperamide. But its not a bad idea to use it for a couple weeks (if possible) to taper off the oxy. Unless you have to get off opiates ASAP, I'd recommend doing some sort of taper...I've kicked close to that amount and its no walk in the park.
As for suboxone...that causes worse constipation than regular doses of loperamide. But its not a bad idea to use it for a couple weeks (if possible) to taper off the oxy. Unless you have to get off opiates ASAP, I'd recommend doing some sort of taper...I've kicked close to that amount and its no walk in the park.
I have a similarly large habit after tapering from a much higher one when running low, and the last time I ran out for a day 48mg of lope didn't do a whole awful lot...
However, in times before that 80mg-100mg of lope helped greatly.
Think of it this way... how much oxy would be an amount that produced a mild constipation effect in a non-tolerant user. So I look at a 2mg loperamide like a 5mg Percocet. If you're taking the equivalent of 40 or more of those a day, of course it's going to take 40 loperamide pills to help.
However, in times before that 80mg-100mg of lope helped greatly.
Think of it this way... how much oxy would be an amount that produced a mild constipation effect in a non-tolerant user. So I look at a 2mg loperamide like a 5mg Percocet. If you're taking the equivalent of 40 or more of those a day, of course it's going to take 40 loperamide pills to help.
sp0r
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I think you guys have me confused. Im not saying that one 2mg loperamide is going to cause intestanal damage. But I am saying that the amount that you are going to need to do any help at all will. If you want to have a compacted intestine because you took too much anti diarreheal then go ahead. And I am well aware that buprenorphine causes constipation, in fact severely, but if you take 2mg a day and then taper, I think that you are going to get off of your oxy alot quicker and also you are going to be able to stop taking the suboxone alot quicker. Trust me even 1mg of suboxone is going to help you detox on a much higher level than any level of Loperamide would. Buprenorphine is a miracle drug for detox. I havent ever heard of Loperamide being used for detox. I would sooner user the protocol of catapres, librium, and lomotil to detox from opiates. Am I wrong?
sp0r
I think you guys have me confused. Im not saying that one 2mg loperamide is going to cause intestanal damage. But I am saying that the amount that you are going to need to do any help at all will. If you want to have a compacted intestine because you took too much anti diarreheal then go ahead. And I am well aware that buprenorphine causes constipation, in fact severely, but if you take 2mg a day and then taper, I think that you are going to get off of your oxy alot quicker and also you are going to be able to stop taking the suboxone alot quicker. Trust me even 1mg of suboxone is going to help you detox on a much higher level than any level of Loperamide would. Buprenorphine is a miracle drug for detox. I havent ever heard of Loperamide being used for detox. I would sooner user the protocol of catapres, librium, and lomotil to detox from opiates. Am I wrong?
sp0r
sp0r
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Exactly
Now this is what I am trying to say, I was not trying to ridicule the kid by saying he is going to get intestinal damage, I was trying to help him. Sheesh.
sp0r
Now this is what I am trying to say, I was not trying to ridicule the kid by saying he is going to get intestinal damage, I was trying to help him. Sheesh.
sp0r
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lope juse stops the shits which prevents weakness and dehydration, thus prevents most of the withdrawls. The night before you give up dope take two, tae two on waking then take two every time you feel runny. That's it. No need to take 50 of them. They do one thing, that's it.
Sir why the hell would you make an ignorant comment about something when you have NO IDEA what you're talking about??? Do you enjoy spreading misinformation about something that could very well provide MUCH relief from miserable withdrawals?
Do you do this because you want people to think you know what your talking about??
Do you do this because you want to scare someone from getting relief from horrible w/d JUST so they will suffer more than they have too??
Do you do this because no one told you about lope when YOU had withdrawals? (or maybe someone lied to YOU about it?)
OR do you do this because you're a complete fucking jackass know-it-all who opens their mouth and has an opinion about everything even when you have NOT A CLUE what the fuck you're talking about?
Either way you're a JACKASS. Ignorant assholes like yourself piss me off. If you don't know what the HELL you're talking about, DO NOT OPEN YOUR MOUTH
DO NOT listen to this guy he is a complete tool and has no fucking clue what hes talking about.
DO NOT go on suboxone unless you want to replace one drug, with another drug thats FAR WORSE, and 5x HARDER to get off than oxy is.
Suboxone is NOT a miracle drug. Do NOT listen to anyone else tell you this. Suboxone is a VERY LONG acting opiate. It just REPLACES the oxy, and does not get you high. It's very very very hard to get off, and the w/d are 5x worse than your worse oxy habit / worst oxy withdrawals.
IF you decide to go on suboxone, it will help immensely and you will have almost no w/d. BUT suboxone is FAR more addicting and more than FIVE TIMES as hard to get off than oxy is. So IF you do decide to do suboxone, start on the lowest possible dose that gets you well enough to cope with the day. (start with 1mg ) and each and everyday you need to drop your dosage. Don't take your dose unless you NEED it. Suboxone has a very long half life and can keep you well for more than 24 hours. DO NOT STAY ON IT LONGER THAN 2 WEEKS!!
Now as far as the lope goes, it is also an opiod and acts the SAME EXACT way on your intestines that oxy/hydro/whatever type of opiate you're on. It is literally NO DIFFERENT on your stomach than your oxy habbit is / was. It will MOST DEFINITELY NOT cause intestine damage, and ive heard of people taking 90mg+ of lope with no problems other than constipation (but you're already used to that right?
). Lope does not cross the BBB so it will not get you high, but it will help immensely with most w/d.. enough that you will be able to get through the day and kick your habbit.Think twice before you take anyone elses word for something, people like sp0r can be completely ignorant jackasses. Not even have a clue how ignorant they are, and spreading bullshit while thinking they are helping people, when it causes more harm than anything.
I also don't expect you to take my word for it either. Do your OWN research. Thats the best advice i can give someone, never take any ONE persons word or opinion.
Although i have done a lot of reading on the subject, and i AM confident that i gave you the best advice possible. Lope will not cause intestinal damage by any means, and suboxone is NOT a miracle drug. So unless you want to be dependent on a pill / substance for the rest of your life, than suboxone is NOT the way.
The things i find extremely helpful for kicking an oxy habit :
immodium: (start low and find the dose that works for YOU)
Kratom: (can be found online from many reputable dealers. I made a tea from about 3 - 5 grams and it helped IMMENSELY. ( i even got a bit of an opiate like buzz)
Heating pads, hot showers or baths with epsom salt.
Lidoderm Patches (if you can get them): These are a LIFE SAVER for aches / pains
Motrin
LOTS AND LOTS OF EXERCISE, STAY BUSY!!!
Good luck man and I wish you success in kicking your habit