How much 2C-E is too much?

[IamMe90]

Still haven't seen the 2C-E death reports besides the fauxed one. I knew what I was doing when I did it, and I did it. I did't die or come close to dying, I had a wonderful experience; yet, since I took 200mg of the substance, I'm devil for using more than usual. What bout people that takes multiple hits of acid to get where they wants to go? You get the same kinda effcst you get from 2C-E on the body.

Wrong. LSD does not kill people in overdose and this has been established for many years. Whereas 2c-e has killed people in overdose. Just because 2 psychedelics act on the the 5ht2a receptor doesn't mean they don't have unique physical effects. The fact that you just said you get the same kind of effects from LSD and 2ce on the body demonstrates your ignorance in the matter. 2c-e has killed people, LSD has not, period.

 

[LogicSoDeveloped]

I just recalled something-that I hadn't mentioned. I met this guy at a festival I attended somewhat recently. We got to talking and he mentioned his interest is in research chemicals. He had tried MANY and knew his shit at least he seemed to from what I gathered. He knew of some obscure chemicals among other things. He told me about how throughout the course of a rave, he ate between 200 and 300 mg total of 2c-e. I told him that was incredibly dangerous. He said he knew but he'd already done plenty of damage to his body. He seemed pretty ordinary to me. He wasn't sluggish nor was he rude in any way. I'm not saying I'm a doctor, and that he was fine but from what I could tell, he was alive. I didn't believe that he ate that much at first because online, they say 30mg is about the highest people should aim for, at least on erowid but now that you've posted, I feel like I can believe what he said. I only say that I didn't believe him because that is such a high dose. It didn't kill him though and if it didn't kill one person, it is easily possible that it would not kill EVERY person. I would never try a dose that high myself though.

I've only had 2c-e at 10mg once and 25 mg twice. The two 25 mg experiences were quite intense in my experience though not so intense that I couldn't manage. Just intense enough that I felt if I had been unexperienced, it would be a very strong experience, strong meaning to cause change in my mind. I didn't make miraculous life changing realizations but it did help me think through a few small issues in my life.

 

[SizzleSword]

I never said LSD kills people in overdoses, where did you pull that shit out of? I stand firm on the fact that 2C-E can used in fairly high doses to achieve the same tpye of effects as LSD without havig to worry about toxicology concerns.


Fixed *most of the grammatical mistakes*, sorry RobotRipping

 

[IamMe90]

I never said LSD kills people in overdoses, where did you pull that shit out of? I stand firm on the fact that 2C-E can used in fairly high doses to achieve the same tpye of effects as LSD without havig to worry about toxicology concerns.


Fixed *most of the grammatical mistakes*, sorry RobotRipping

I never claimed you said LSD is dangerous in overdose, you are really good at making strawmen though. You said that 2c-e was safe at the doses you took because it "has the same effect on the body as LSD." I am saying that LSD has been established as safe in high doses, whereas 2c-e has not - you can't compare the two chemicals' toxicologies because they aren't the same.

 

[RobotRipping]

lol sorry man I didn't mean to give you a hard time; I've taken high doses of 2c-e too (not near that high however) and despite some weird after effects I was fine as well. I've also known others who have taken/snorted around 100mg of 2c-e and lived without any toxic effects. What you said above makes things a lot more clear to me. Thanks for the report; would you try a dose like that again? Taking that much 2c-e up the nose must have at least burned terribly.

As well, don't you find LSD quite a bit different? I find very little body load with LSD compared to 2c-e.

 

[plusfourpirate]

I tried not to, but he personally did. I was merely asking the question if 200mg over the course of the night could cause any adverse side effects. ...

....I am very familiar with both 2C-E and 2C-T-7, the reason why I was asking about the lingering stimulangt effects if because I don't get it from 2C-T-7.

if you are so familiar then why would you ask such an ignorant question? OF COURSE it will have unwanted side effects; hell, over 20 mg has unpleasnt side effects for most ppl. and then 5 days in a row?? youre lucky you didnt kill yourself kid. you wanna go out of your box that far, which i am not reccomending btw, at least use something we know more about such as LSD. and equally as important, take at the very least small breaks in between dosing, otherwise no matter what the chemical, your body becomes tolerant, and the only thing youre gonna get in return is a bunch of unwanted side effects- thats ypur body saying "chill the f**k out, drink some water, and take some vitamins, for gawd's sake."

the bottom line is that you and i, and everyone else here know that although it has gained poularity in the past decade, there isn't much concrete data on it outside of teh community. what you did was irresponsible and foolish, and selfish for the rest of us who use responsibly..bc as mentioned above, it is in fact ppl like you that cause valuable and respected 'tools' such as 2ce to be made illegal. especailly after all the bad press it has gotten as of late.

..and so your feathers get ruffled bc you got negative responses; what did you expect bro- this is a HARM *REDUCTION site..

ehhh...le sigh.

 

[SizzleSword]

Yeah this is a harm reduction site, which is why I why I POSTED ABOUT LONG-TERM EFFECTS OF 2C-E. It wasn't "I just took 200 milligrams of an uknown substance labeled ethyl something phenethyazide and I'm tripping balls and I don't now what to do. shit says not for human consumption"

I was asking in terms of harm reduction, and I got slandered in many ways. It's actually quite sad and stereotypical.

This was meant to be somewhat of a trip report of that night but those first few folks that responded really, really blew it.

Let me add one last thing, this is something that I'm not planning on doing weekly, mothly, or probably every ten years. It was very spritiaul and I'm glad I was prepared for it. This isn't an every day party down scenario like it is for you people with your 4-MMC and MPDV and stupid shit that probably WILL kill you, this was intense soul searching Karma-related definite Hindu overtone with 2C-E.

 

[SizzleSword]

Or maybe that much dextroamphetamine could cause the same problem with urinated.

This term research chemical is really getting ony my nerves. You take a well known and documented chemical, change one stucture of it, and then it's a OOOOOOH SPOOOKY research cemical. Soyou're saying ALD-52 is a research chemical? Other LSD analogues were research chemical?

That's just a stupid marketing slogan to get the shit sold without the DEA getting upset. Sure there are some powders out there that are definitely not as safe as others and really do deserve a NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION all over the lid (a'la Haupt-RC). despite being labeled or not. The DOX seriously comes to mind.

I've been studying 2c-E since 2001 but never in doses like this. This was my first time I tried to do something like this and it catually worked, and now I'm attempting to explain my experience while getting my head bashed in for "taking too much".


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[DwayneHoover]

Nice picture man. Sorry to stress you out but some things just gotta be said in order to dissuade the total idiots from killing themselves, you know? It does sound like you know a little more what you were doing, having those benzos on-hand was smart, glad you are OK. A bit of luck perhaps, as well as a strong disposition. Someone more frail or less prepared might well have had a very horrible result at that dose level is the important thing we are are trying to get across I think... not so much for your ears, but to prevent someone not as strong from having a calamity.