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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards

How long did it take you to become dependent?

Yep, il say. But they say you can't turn a donkey into a stallion, but with pharmaceuticals a stallion can become a champion. Erdos was multiplying 3 digit numbers mentally by age 3, got his Phd by a young age, and yes saw a doctor in 1971 for deprression after his Mom died. The benzedrine/ritalin had the unintended SE of allowing him to work 19 hour days.

I am crap at math and even on Ritalin will be. When i take it, it calms my brain, if i stop it i usually engage in poor lifestyle habits.

I will always be crap at math:)
 
"Do you consider someone who takes amphetamines for ADD dependent?"

Depends dude. if the bottle says 'take 2 caps 2x a day' thats legit medicine. If you decide to crush up 5 caps, before going out drinking friday-thats abuse.
 
I would say yes. My grades were actually better before I started on them, but I think I need them since they improve my life in different ways, and take away from other parts. Its an exchange that in which I think I come out on top, but that may or may not be true.

I think I have ADD since I remember a lot of my old teachers telling me shit like "You're a smart kid, but you don't apply yourself." I spent a lot less time on my homework than I did before, and didn't feel as much pressure, but overconfidence probably drove me to failure in an easy class.

Who knows? My favorite description is probably this one on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=47754
It explains it completely.

I used to take a 15mg and do all my homework (for the semester, I did this since haha community college). The rest I would just ration or give away, now... I can't do that anymore I have to have it to function properly.

At a low dose for now, but what does that mean? I will probably get tolerant and just add to it.
 
I would say yes. My grades were actually better before I started on them, but I think I need them since they improve my life in different ways, and take away from other parts. Its an exchange that in which I think I come out on top, but that may or may not be true.

I think I have ADD since I remember a lot of my old teachers telling me shit like "You're a smart kid, but you don't apply yourself." I spent a lot less time on my homework than I did before, and didn't feel as much pressure, but overconfidence probably drove me to failure in an easy class.

Who knows? My favorite description is probably this one on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=47754
It explains it completely.

I used to take a 15mg and do all my homework (for the semester, I did this since haha community college). The rest I would just ration or give away, now... I can't do that anymore I have to have it to function properly.

At a low dose for now, but what does that mean? I will probably get tolerant and just add to it.

But you weren't actually diagnosed and you took them just to study better. A common way of abuse.
 
I take Adderall everyday for my ADD, on occasion I'll abuse it but I don't know if I'd say I'm "dependent" to it. I depend upon on it to help my negative symptoms of ADD. I'll take breaks from it for a week and without I become impulsive, a short attention span, jumping from one thing to another and lazy but these are all symptoms of ADD. No real withdrawals. However I'm supposed to take it for my disorder.

Yes, this was my response ^

My question is, if you don't abuse it for periods of time and take it specifically for your ADD, would you really consider it "dependence"
 
Not that, this:
But you weren't actually diagnosed and you took them just to study better. A common way of abuse.

And yes I do. I have never abused them in the case of taking more than my dosage recommended, but I won't say it was for ADD, was to do other things or whatever. I do consider it dependence because its where I can't function without it anymore.
 
Ah god damn stimulants.

Well, I've always been very intelligent but school bored the hell out of me; I had real difficulty paying attention in my classes, more so in boring ones but still difficult in ones I loved (like math and physics). This lack of attention definitely spanned (no pun intended) to conversations as well, making me miss half of everything unless what the person was saying REALLY grasped my mind. As a kid my mind would race, it always has. Throughout my acadmic career I excelled at the things I loved and that were short, but intense periods of thought (math, algebra, etc.). But, in things that required longer periods of concentration such as reading or language arts I did more poorly in school.

Another important factor in this story is that I had this fierce determination; I was convinced I was going to college in the first grade (just as long as I took the SAT ;)). This is important because that same drive has got me hooked on my superman pills, trying to go above and beyond the limits of human capacity. Is that such a bad thing, is it too much to ask to push the limits?

Due to my complete boredom with school and my need to learn more and more, I skipped 7th grade (which I had had been pushing for for years) and later graduated high school in 3 years by stacking classes. My first year of college (directly following finishing high school) was where my amphetamine use began.

To put myself in perspective at this point, I am 16 years old, very excited for college, but also experience periods of depression (my father has major depressive and schizoaffective disorders); I am also a frequent marijuana smoker and have experienced some basic legal drugs (salvia, DXM, etc.) as well as some prescription drugs like hydrocodone or low dose xanax. This was 3 years ago.

My first year of college (age 16, 2007) I began using adderall. I was amazed, simply amazed, at the power it had to transform my brain into this thinking, analytic machine of ominous effervescent presence. Okay that's a little intense, but the amps had me glowing the first time and I fell in love. I stayed up nights deriving the acceleration-time curves of gravity (I had just discovered calculus, the final frontier of mathematical modeling), writing pages and pages of theories on black holes, quantum mechanics, and the fifth dimension, and doing my homework.

This progressed quickly at first (probably damn near dependent after 2 months), but then more slowly as I used it mainly for school related purposes (I was remorseful of my use, honestly). I had no thoughts that I was ADD at that point, years ago. Over time I became more and more dependent on them, especially to cancel out the effects of the marijuana I smoked and just to function.

I went through about two years of trying to control my using (without any grand notions of addiction), trying many different medications (not prescribed) from adderall to dexedrine to vyvanse, IR, XR, whatever. The beginning of last summer (2009) was when things came to a peak and I knew enough was enough. Throughout the previous semester I had an intense class/work load and I probably wouldn't have made it without amphetamine; it was a struggle to say the least, but very worth it. I told myself I would stop using during the summer, but that didn't happen.

I couldn't get out of bed anymore. Not without the promise of a morning smoke, some uppers and xanax for later. My depression was just too much to bear at that point, I hated my life and myself. After a serious period of depression and horrible feelings in general, I checked myself (with the help of my family) into a 45 day inpatient rehabilitation facility.

In this 45-day rehab I was introduced to all sorts of things, from real drug addicts/alcoholics to 12-step programs. Overall it was very positive, I felt good about my outlook on life and how I could just keep on living clean. I made it 81 days total (a month out of rehab?) before I used again; I got drunk at a concert and smoked some bud after that. The next day I started looking for adderall again.

Fast forward to now; I've completed two more semesters (one at my previous 2-year institution, and one at my current, 4-year university) and am living and working in an amazing college-town in a top 10 school public university. However, this semester (after moving away from home and having to establish myself in a new city) has been one of the most challenging periods of my life-obviously this is a normal period period of difficulty for youths as they transition from adolescence to adulthood, I wouldn't expect anything less. I've been prescribed (and taking) bupropion since last fall, which has helped tremendously with my stimulant cravings and PAW/chronic depression. This last semester went well, but I slipped back into stimulant use after I sought a doctor and was prescribed Ritalin, then Vyvanse.

Because I was going to this doctor specifically for "attention problems" (which I felt, and I somewhat still feel is true), I researched all I could about ADD. I memorized all the symptoms from the DSM-IV and thought of specific examples in my life which I would be able to relate. Of course, I found plenty (and bent the truth where I wasn't a complete it). The doctor promptly diagnosed me with ADD and gave me a script for Ritalin. This didn't end well (compulsive re-dosing), so I was switched to Vyvanse. Vyvanse was, is, and will always be (unless I get dexedrine) my stimulant/amphetamine of choice.

After learning all about ADD, I honestly and genuinely feel as though I have ADD symptoms and they are treated by my amphetamine use. All of my inability to concentrate/focus, and just general haze are cured by Vyvanse.

Man, the shit is still fucked up and addicting; how can a drug contraindicated with drug abuse be prescribed to people with ADD, of which a symptom is impulsivity? The ironic thing is that it's prescribed to take away that impulsivity. What'dya know, it's curbing my stimulant cravings!! my impulsivity to take more drugs is gone!! (Oddly enough that's almost the way it goes)

I don't know, it's a love hate relationship. It helps me concentrate and focus on what I'm doing, but it can leave me hollow and empty hating the world. What I've written here isn't even half the story, but I hope it makes sense how one might be addicted (perhaps permanently) to stimulant drugs. Without them, my world would be a dry, meaningless struggle of disconnection. Man that's kind of scary, I hope they haven't completely rewired my mesolimbic pathways; I've gotta be real though here and say that the rewarding feeling and desire for amphetamine has probably surpassed a lot of things it shouldn't have. Drugs and females are damn near at the top of my list, along with the relationship I have with my grandparents/family (but even those slip away sometimes, sadly).

When is it enough? To just be satisfied with your natural capabilities, and make the best of the life you're given instead of trying to go above and beyond your limits, to the point of self-destruction? This is the struggle I face now. So long as my career (academic and professional) is in tact, I will most likely continue my vyvanse regimen, along with semi-frequent marijuana use (want to quit) and weekly/bi-monthly hallucinogen indulgences.

I hope to hear what you guys think, but I'm right there with you Depressicaa; the stuff is mentally coercive and the realization of dependence is a sobering one.
 
Wow thanks for that in depth post! I really felt what you're going through I guess I'm going through the same thing. The first phase is like you said, the part where everything is fine and beautiful, and you only need a little every once in a while to get through. Before I used them everyday, I would take a therapeutic dose and finish all my work I had wanted to do for that day. It was amazing. I always thought of Adderall as my gift to the future, so that the real me, the lazy version wouldn't have to do work, just admire that everything has already been done for him. Instead I see myself taking them just to function, right now at a lower dose than prescribed but I don't doubt that my tolerance will raise itself and also subsequently make me take more and more.

So far I haven't taken more than I am supposed to, mainly because I am at such a high dose. Its really nice to get something that works so well. My mother's insurance is going to run out soon, so maybe I should ask for a three month supply or something pretty soon, XR is going to be a problem as well. :(

I realize that the addiction to it keeps me away from other drugs too. Its such an odd way for a prescriptive to work!
 
^ Yep man haha, it's pretty much like that. Just take care of yourself and don't end up with an empty pill bottle all twacked out, that's never fun.

Take it easy man, it's bike riding time! :D
 
Geography was one of the few classes I passed. Didn't know they had meth there, but I guess I never investigated it very thoroughly. Have heard people talk about the scene in Australia and mention prices that had me wonder if my currency converter was broken. Same there?

Meth is more expensive here than Australia. NZ meth is often referred to as "P" for "Pure", because it's usually very high quality. Unfortunately that high quality comes at a high price.
 
I would say yes. My grades were actually better before I started on them, but I think I need them since they improve my life in different ways, and take away from other parts. Its an exchange that in which I think I come out on top, but that may or may not be true.

I think I have ADD since I remember a lot of my old teachers telling me shit like "You're a smart kid, but you don't apply yourself." I spent a lot less time on my homework than I did before, and didn't feel as much pressure, but overconfidence probably drove me to failure in an easy class.

Who knows? My favorite description is probably this one on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=47754
It explains it completely.

I used to take a 15mg and do all my homework (for the semester, I did this since haha community college). The rest I would just ration or give away, now... I can't do that anymore I have to have it to function properly.

At a low dose for now, but what does that mean? I will probably get tolerant and just add to it.

As far as I know if you have ADD rit/adderall won't make you study for hours, it will chill you out and make you much less active..
 
Meth is more expensive here than Australia. NZ meth is often referred to as "P" for "Pure", because it's usually very high quality. Unfortunately that high quality comes at a high price.

Though it's becoming more similar now with a big increase in purity in Aus lately and a cocurrent price rise.

For me to become dependant on methamphetamine, it's hard to say. I've used it for 7 years now, only the last 2 years have I actually had real cravings.
 
it only took me 15 days of using daily minimum of 60mg to get 100% dependent. I mean I had a relatively lightweight comedown that lasted 3 days after that. The first day was total fatigue and slight sadness, the 2nd and 3rd day were low-level depression and total laziness. I just kept sleeping and sleeping. Then when my script was refilled I sprung back to life like a superhero.

I am fully accepting of this now that I am now dependent on this substance to function properly. I told my shrink today I didn't like these comedowns so she put me on an IR/XR combo to level out the peaks and valleys. Works great. I've been through hardcore drug addictions before, jails, rehabs, all that. I'm under no illusions here, I know full well I'm an addict, it's in my genetics, I know I am fucked, but it's legal now and the supply is always pure and guaranteed plus it actually does work for my ADD which has gone undiagnosed and screwed me over for 30 years because my parents were poor and couldn't afford to take me to a psychiatrist. Plus ADD wasn't hot back then in the early 80's/90's. oh well. I know I'm powerless. Let's see what happens here.
 
freshman year- smoked weed, ditched school
sophmore year- smoked weed, ditched school
junior year- adderall, straight a's
senior year- smoke weed, ditched school

thats what i have to say about that shit. Thanks for the diploma buddy!
 
Well for the last few days I've been really lethenergetic.
Yesterday due to JWH and Lorazapam, I had a killer headache so I started using Dexedrine when I woke up. I don't think it helps with my ADD at all (feels like nothing), and its not much more helpful to work with either.
 
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