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Misc How likely is one to get hooked meth and heroin the first time?

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AvenaSativa

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I remember before I first smoked crack I had the philosophy that I wanted to try every drug at least once.. I'll admit crack hooked me my first time. Sure I wasn't a full blown addict, but I was hooked. Then again I have an addictive personality so I'm unsure how much of a part that played. I was lucky to break away from crack before it became serious, but the cravings and dreams of smoking persisted over half a year after I quit. And I wasn't even on it for a month.

In comparison to crack cocaine, how likely is one to get hooked on meth and heroin their first time? How much of my addictive personality may have played a role in crack getting such a strong hold on me my first time? I swear the first time I came down from crack I knew I messed up because I felt sober euphoria didn't exist anymore and it took over half a year and the use of psychedelics for me to fully shake that feeling, but is that normal or do only a minority of people feel that way after their first high?
 
About as likely as one is to try them both, simultaneously, having never done either before. ;)

Seriously, though, this is a terrible idea, if you already have problems with addiction.

The thing about meth is that there is no physical dependence, just psychological addiction, which are 2 very different things.

Anyway, this isn't really a question we can answer. You won't become *physically* addicted to H the first time, and you can't on me thx But with an addictive personality(and prior cocaine addiction) one use is certainly enough to invite that monkey.

Seriously, it's not worth it. But we can't help you here. Sorry. There is no way to even truly define the "start" of addiction and we certainly can't tell you if once is enough.
 
All I can answer with this is it sounds like you are very susceptible to mental addiction so trying drugs like meth and heroin may not be the best idea if you do not think you could stop. From what I know about meth, it's the way you don't eat and don't sleep that makes coming off it also physically painful as well as mentally agonizing. But it is not physical dependence that does this. I'm sure you know that heroin does create a physical dependence... And a lot of people, myself included, kind of fall in obsessive, unhealthy love with the feeling until they are doing it for so long so frequently that they are physically dependent on that drug.
I understand the idea of wanting to try everything once but maybe consider your personality being susceptible, the pain of mental and physical withdrawal, etc. against if you're really going to gain that much from trying it. Think about what you will lose and gain.. Ya know?
And I say this...
having known and been around but never done meth... (Don't like uppers-- only drug I've ever skipped out on)
And loving heroin.
So... That's my answer. Good luck.
 
^^^ Well coming off of amphetamines you generally ju eat and sleep, which is a lot easier than kicking dope.

Yeah, I think trying meth AND heroin when you know you have an addictive personality, but people have to learn on there own.

But OP, please, don't do it. Just don't. This isn't a lecture, but as someone who has been addicted to opioids since I was a teen, it's not worth it.
 
I date a recovered meth addict and he always said what felt so bad was your body shutting down from not eating, sleeping, and being dehydrated for days and days... You're essentially a starving, dehydrated chronic insomniac-- which agreed sounds like bullshit compared to full tilt opiate withdrawal but I'm sure it's no fun. That's all I meant! Sorry, I don't pretend to know more.
 
LOL, man, I didn't mean anything. You are right; I forget , not everyone is educated enough to keep themselves hydrated. But that us still the effect if repeated usage-generally when you stop, you recover.

But stopping long-term meth has it's own issues-it is neuro-toxic, and completely fucks your dopamine. I'm just saying, in general, short or even mid-term use isn't anything like dealing with full-blown opioid dependence.

It comes down to addiction vs dependence, and also the physiological changes of drug use.
 
I've def felt the difference between physical dependence and mental addiction... I always kind of stare wide eyed at people who complain about addiction that isn't a dependence BUT just cause I don't understand I try to be understanding. But I totally get what you mean. Like people I know that get coke when their dope sick just so they can have something... I'm always confused. Ha.
 
Yeah I'm like WTF? I can understand using downers(like benzodiazepines and other GABAergics) because they actually relieve some of the symptoms, but fucking coke actually makes them worse! In fact, some WD symptoms are literally also side effects of stimulants...
 
As I've said before on here, I've taken a look into both the worlds of heroin and meth (only meth as a user, though), and meth from what I've witnessed by far creates the uglier addict. Meth just seems to make people incredibly sad when they stop taking it, like they're unable to even generate happiness without the drug...I guess that it takes a prolonged stretch of sustained sobriety for some former addicts to recover normal brain functioning in that regard, which is why it's so hard for some people to break the habit...too tempting to smoke their way out of depression. I'm sure heroin is no picnic either but my experience with that is limited to watching my friends and associates struggle, as I've never really gotten into opiates.

Methamphetamine just makes people fuckin' weird, too...

If you liked crack, I'd say stay away. Meth lasts longer for less of an investment, not to mention that the high lasts much longer. Not sure if it's more of a rush than crack (never smoked crack myself but I've never seen the appeal...there are much better stimulants out there for a better value).
 
It takes years sometimes for dope addicts to produce those lovely happy brain chemicals again so id def say it makes you depressed. The guy I know kicked meth the end, but he's a ten year heroin addict like me. I think alot of addictions create that unhappy feeling afterward... It's terrible I'm in paws now and I have to force myself to do anything and not have crippling anxiety over everything. Sucks ass. Glad you're doing better though.

@lorne right?! Blows my mind. Best was one time, I spent the time they did coke looking for dope and got some and they were begging me for it when they started to come down. I laughed then felt really bad an hour later and gave em something to split. Idiots.
 
Oh you really don't have to worry about me trying either of these drugs.. I'd be a liar if I said I wasn't curious but I don't want to risk it at all and at this point it would ruin more lives than just mine if I got on the stuff. I was just curious to see how it compares to meth and heroin and if my experience with crack was normal.
 
I would assume that both feel so good that it's a feeling thats hard to forget. From the stories I've read it never starts out bad, but using it in a controlled fashion lasts awhile until it doesn't anymore.... then you are in a world of hurt.
 
I was addicted to heroin. Been on suboxone for 3 years now. It was about as addicting as snorting pills but I never had my "wow, that was what I've been searching for my whole life, this is IT!" Until I banged it IV. When you do any addictive drug Heroin or Meth IV your chances of addiction increases dramatically IMO
 
Well that does sound like a typical crack experience-- bad, lack of euphoria coming down, obsessive thoughts in abstinence. I know people that won't do it for years then run into a dealer who has it somewhere random and go on a two week binge. Crazy stuff. So glad you have been able to stay away!
 
closing this.

It's correlated to a variety of personal factors. If you live an exciting and entertaining life you're not gonna need to be dropping into alleyways to hit cracks off of glass dicks ;)

If you've got an addictive personality, try baking sugary things instead. At least you'll get the chicks that way :)
 
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