how is ketamine a party drug?

[forbiddenlife5]

So i've done ketamine once, and i did one large line equivalent to 6 bumps, and it was alooot for a first timer, but my definition of being fucked up is alot more than most people, because their were people with me who did two bumps, not even a line, and were talking about how messed up they were, anyways back to my question, if ketamine can make people go to into a "k hole" in which most people claim they can't move, and have hallucinations etc, how is it suppose to be a party drug if most of the time your so messed up, the last thing you can do is dance or even party at that matter? also i'm gay and in the gay community ketamine is real popular with sex, i also don't get that either. When i did the ketamine i experienced what most people say they experience, extreme dissassociation, pretty anti-social, anasthesia, total numbness in my body, the last thing i could see myself doing when i was on it, was partying at a club or anywhere, and having sex, can someone please expain to me.

 

[whataboutheforests]

i think you kind of answered your own question. Different people react differently to drugs. I think what your talking about is the same with any drug. Some people are social smokers, some are not. Some people trip at festivals, some people prefer to trip alone with a couple close friends. A lot of people like to have sex while rolling, but for me, it's really the last thing on my mind.

 

[helium-4]

^Like he said, people react differently to drugs and have affinities to what may seem to be outrageous. Also, doses of drugs obviously make a difference in the experience. If you haven't tried snorting 20-40mg, I'd suggest you do. Potentially you might find out for yourself why it may be enjoyable at a party. Even though I prefer higher doses, I have a soft spot for ketamine in the lower range for recreational purposes. Its amazing how loose a small little bump will make you, and not to mention the increased appreciation to music. Ketamine + MDMA is also seen to have wonderful synergy (no personal exp) and is praised by many ketamine users to be be a create combination for partying. I've found amphetamines and ketamine to be a awesome combo (increased blood pressure could be a problem with pre-existing health issues, but I haven't seen/heard of negative reports involving the combo). I would take a 40-60mg bump of k every 20-40 minutes and would have a blast (I do watch my adderal consumption and try not to redose while consuming k at the party). Dancing is very easy and fluid, and the added psychedelic visual disturbances always are enjoyable, especially when ketamine is so anxiolytic ime, especially at low doses.

So in sum, people enjoy the little bit of depersonalization, with some added color, as well as a burst of euphoria that I'd at least take any day over MDMA.

 

[forbiddenlife5]

i've done mdma twice and never had a fun experience, both times, i took white diamond pokeballs which are considered real strong, but the actual high only lasted like an hour, and to me it wasn't that amazing like i was expecting, and i didn't feel as messed up as everyone, but next time i'm going to double drop, as for ketamine i can't wait to get more when the time is right since i've only did it that one time

 

[Charleston_Car]

it's because you did so much, ketamine can be fun at parties if you do just a bit. it's a cool, trippy drunk feeling.

 

[vibrancy3]

I Agree with you, i dont see it as a party drug either, (i want to dance to dubstep not slir around the floor to it lol) i dont actually see it as 1 of the main drugs to do when going out partying.

ketamine is more of a stay @ home and chiill 1 for me

 

[Solipsis]

Tolerance can play a role, if you don't have any experience with it you are that much more sensitive to it. I suggest first getting to know ketamine at home, it can be good at after parties
at someones place and I have seen K-rooms where everyone is just gone which is a strange sight, a little sad perhaps but I guess if it is first socializing and then retreating into your own hole you can do it once in a while.
Then if you know ketamine better... low doses, you mentioned bumps instead of lines, can be great at parties because they don't necessarily make you dissociate in my opinion. Rather it can feel like a stimulant a little, mood enhancing or a little anti-depressant. I guess your bumps were still too large for the ketamine-naieve ones. Apparently that was true for those you mentioned, who might be extra sensitive since YMMV or as the fipo stated: people react differently.

 

[Visitor Q]

For me, ketamine by itself is rather cold and alien (although still enjoyable). In a party setting, I like to take small bumps on top of, say, 120mg of MDMA or 20 or so mg of 2C-B. The phens give the experience much needed warm fuzzies.

As for sex... it's a personal thing. I know some people that praise ketamine's effects for sex; personally, I can't even consider the idea. It's like I'm too "soul-less" and "strangely vacant" for any intimate contact. Intercourse would be much too strange and mechanical for me, not to mention that K is merciless when it comes to making you and everyone involved particularly ugly. So yes, I can relate to it not being sexual at all for me, but again, everyone is different and for me 2C-B and 5-MeO-MiPT are much more sexual drugs than K or even MDMA (which usually makes me want to talk more than screw).

 

[clubberdude]

I think this is a dose-dependent thing. The full "K-hole" as it were is not really appropriate for a party setting, and could even get you into trouble if the conditions were right (or more accurately in the context - wrong). I for one would hate to take a K-hole inducing dose of Ketamine at a party (particularly if you don't know/trust many of the people there.

Low doses (<50 mg, perhaps more like 30 mg), Ketamine has a very different character, and adds some amusement (with maybe a little confusion) to the proceedings, and is actually really quite fun. I find low dose Ketamine more like being drunk, but pretty euphoric at the same time (as opposed to being very drunk on alcohol, which usually doesn't agree with me).

In summary, in my experience, it is a fairly good party drug at the low dose levels. Of course with this kind of thing, the standard disclaimer of your mileage may vary applies here...

 

[Sociable]

before i was 18 i abused ketamine daily for a monthor2. I loved living in kland. (Mind you this was after school was over!) I had alot of fun in all social settings honestly, I will admit it can be hard to talk sometimes haha.

Strangely enough one time my friends said I was dancing the most fluidly they had ever seen. I was not aware that I was even standing.

 

[Irmarose]

It must have been very strong ket cos i used to do a whole lot of ket back in the day, and at first i used to take a lot annd fuck myself up, guess i liked it at first.... but i learnt if u do a very small amount of ket you just feel quite dream, a bit drunk and stoned almost but more trippy than that... its hard to explain but u shukld try and stick to very small amounts.

but then u normally k-hole at the end.

 

[FractalStructure]

^Like he said, people react differently to drugs and have affinities to what may seem to be outrageous. Also, doses of drugs obviously make a difference in the experience. If you haven't tried snorting 20-40mg, I'd suggest you do. Potentially you might find out for yourself why it may be enjoyable at a party. Even though I prefer higher doses, I have a soft spot for ketamine in the lower range for recreational purposes. Its amazing how loose a small little bump will make you, and not to mention the increased appreciation to music. Ketamine + MDMA is also seen to have wonderful synergy (no personal exp) and is praised by many ketamine users to be be a create combination for partying. I've found amphetamines and ketamine to be a awesome combo (increased blood pressure could be a problem with pre-existing health issues, but I haven't seen/heard of negative reports involving the combo). I would take a 40-60mg bump of k every 20-40 minutes and would have a blast (I do watch my adderal consumption and try not to redose while consuming k at the party). Dancing is very easy and fluid, and the added psychedelic visual disturbances always are enjoyable, especially when ketamine is so anxiolytic ime, especially at low doses.

So in sum, people enjoy the little bit of depersonalization, with some added color, as well as a burst of euphoria that I'd at least take any day over MDMA.

I agree with this, although I can see how with little tolerance or higher doses ketamine can seem very alien and fucked up and disorienting, and i can imagine thinking (and have thought) "fuck, how could someone do this at a party?"

 

[OxycontinAnonymous]

k makes you dance like an absolute g.

 

[twelvesevndi]

^^yuh numbs your legs i guess so you can flex on floor

 

[SpecialK_]

It's trippy, it's fun, it makes you talk shit and also has a stimulant side that makes you go mental if your in the right scenario. As I party drug, I think it's best suited on the tail end of itself or else small bumps while on MDMA.
Mmmmm k.

 

[Unbreakable]

Everyone that does K at the parties just chills in the chill rooms and wonders around the club/rave like a lost puppy...

Personally when i am rolling i do enjoy a bump or two of K i like the mix as long as its not over done and kept at the key bump level every once in awhile... the parties i go too their is more K than cocaine

 

[Cambo]

I've done K a few times, first time was OK in a party (I wasn't even with the perfect company, though still friends, just distant friends lol), another time I took a line, gave me an amazing buzz, was probably best I've had.
Ended up getting a bit too fucked up with MDMA and Meph as well though, still good but pretty uncomfortable for a while.

 

[ACRE]

When people 'party' on k, for me and friends, lots of other people as well usually only do a bump or two at a time, spaced out 30 minutes plus- while at the bar or wherever. Its not all about K.HOLING while your partying that is for the afterparty haha. But yes different ppl react differently to different drugs, situations etc...

Eg) First time i did k was with a good friend after we had some beers, we were excited to try something new.. i did 3 lines about an inch long, he did one and a half. We were watching nascar (really dont know why) and all he could go on about for the next 20 minutes was.. "MAN, We GOTTA go PARTY!" at that point i really could not fathom going out and chillin with ppl due to the dissociative state. but after that time i realized that it is possible, and fucking fun! i use k every time i go to a show. K is psychedelic cocaine, correct me if you dont feel that but ya know..... To each his own.. Cheers.
-ACRE

 

[DwayneHoover]

I and most other Gay men find all that extremely severe bizzare and rare... whatever floats their boats, but, sheesh pretty grotesque stuff practiced by only a tiny tiny minority... the fact that it is in a disproportionate amount of porn attests merely to (a) desire to attract attention and sales by these sort of severe behaviours that some people enjoy viewing only voyeuristically , and (b) the sort of extreme personalities and lifestyles of those who groom themselves deliberately for a life of producing and staring in porn... again a very very very tiny minority of the gay community.
99.9% find bareback and fisting really gross, dangerous and horrifically bizarre. Anytime I've ever been watching a porno and there's an unexpected fisting scene, instant hard on killer... I think you would HAVE to be wigged out on a depersonalizing anesthetic like K to the point where you feel your body is some kind of foreign alien object to get into that... then again I've seen some utterly bizarro stuff in straight vids (by accident) as well, so I think its all about something that will cause your product to stand out in a crowd of millions of identical vanilla sex movies.

And I agree with you about sex on K... WTF??? First time I ever tried it someone offered it as an enhancer on the dance floor creating sort of a trippy swirl of an experience... but once I tried masturbating while on a buzz of K and it just seemed like the most uninteresting thing possible... a total libido-killer IMO.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

I and most other Gay men find all that extremely severe bizzare and rare... whatever floats their boats, but, sheesh pretty grotesque stuff practiced by only a tiny tiny minority... the fact that it is in a disproportionate amount of porn attests merely to (a) desire to attract attention and sales by these sort of severe behaviours that some people enjoy viewing only voyeuristically , and (b) the sort of extreme personalities and lifestyles of those who groom themselves deliberately for a life of producing and staring in porn... again a very very very tiny minority of the gay community.
99.9% find bareback and fisting really gross, dangerous and horrifically bizarre. Anytime I've ever been watching a porno and there's an unexpected fisting scene, instant hard on killer... I think you would HAVE to be wigged out on a depersonalizing anesthetic like K to the point where you feel your body is some kind of foreign alien object to get into that... then again I've seen some utterly bizarro stuff in straight vids (by accident) as well, so I think its all about something that will cause your product to stand out in a crowd of millions of identical vanilla sex movies.

And I agree with you about sex on K... WTF??? First time I ever tried it someone offered it as an enhancer on the dance floor creating sort of a trippy swirl of an experience... but once I tried masturbating while on a buzz of K and it just seemed like the most uninteresting thing possible... a total libido-killer IMO.

I know lots of bisexual and gay men who are not into vanilla sex and some do enjoy fisting even if they don't use drugs and do practice safer sex so maybe that's it? IME fisting is way more common than people want to admit or talk about. Lots of men have tried it once or a few times on the giving or receiving end and it's not something they do all the time when they have sex, or they might have tried it and discovered that it is not for them.

Heh I find fisting in porn both with men and women to be HOT but I don't want to see a rosebud, prolapse, or blossom. Some of my friends who are into fisting find them hot for some reason. I have a friend that's an anal sex top and he only did fisting once but that was because the guy he was dating/in a relationship with wanted it done and he said how it was hot when his hole gaped and my friend cut/trimmed and filed his nails, used gloves and lube and just put only his hand in not his whole arm like some are into, so I could see how it's hot when done to someone.

It's odd I can do all sorts of sex involving power exchange/BDSM to men and women but I find rimming/being rimmed to be NASTY.

I have no idea how many bisexual and gay men PNP or do what I wrote about. The OP asked about using K during sex and I've met gay and bisexual men online who are into it.

I can see how bareback sex with one partner who you're completely monogamous with him/her is hot but I've never done that with any men or women since I have a hard time trusting people sexually since I've had people lie in the past to me.

Like you wrote I do know lots of bisexual and gay men who watch bareback porn just on DVD or on Xtube or fantasize about it but they don't actually have it.

I'm friends with gay and bisexual men who've been having sex with men for over 20 years and they've never done bareback sex with anyone since it's dangerous.

But pretty much everyone I know except for myself and the bisexual and gay men I described above has barebacked.

Some will do it with the current boyfriend or whatever guy of the moment they're dating after just 1 test where they think this means that the person is really neg but I'm sure you know just why that's not always true, their friends that they sleep with, and sometimes in the heat of the moment with tricks.

Anyway if you want we can talk about this off site or in another thread?