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How is heroin cut?

day_for_night - I think that I deserve a moment to respond to that attack. If you do not, then delete my reply - and the attack.
C21H23NO5 - You're a step up from "Crack Raider" - but only a small step. You argue and fight with no cause, you frequently post GROSSLY inaccurate information as truth and not conjecture, you make statements like this:
I want to fucking kick someone in the teeth if they tell you how to cut your heroin so you can resell it. You fucking pathetic peice of shit.
...repeatedly, and without need. Finally, you're simply not that smart, and your knee-jerk reaction of hatred seems to be directed at anybody that can form a complete chain of logic.
You're transparent.
Instead, I prefer to be a user, and spread proper harm reduction information around.
Then try learning a little about the drugs you're talking about. Your work in the other forums is horribly wrong.
Then they deserve to OD and die.
Yeah, there it is. The old "let 'em die" approach to harm reduction.
 
Link me to where I am posting false information. You cannot do it. Silence.
I'm sorry for my anger, I have trouble expressing myself verbally to people, I feel that people are not on my level (note I'm not saying I'm above OR below, just on a different but equal level) and that confusion oftentimes comes out as anger and frustration.
But again, please link me to where I am wrong, I really just think that you are bullshitting, but I would like to learn as much as possible from you, oh wise one...
 
I wonder how many people here know what C2's name means.. heh heh heh. I agree with you bro, fuck the cuts and shit. If you dont test your shit out before shootin, you dont deserve to enjoy the beauty of this drug!
 
I think the middle of the road answer on that would be:
If you're the type of person to shoot new dope without testing it, don't be surprised when you don't wake up. You didn't deserve to die, it's a consequence of the war on drugs. In a better world, you would be shooting up federal heroin sold in a tamper proof package, carried at your local gas station.
 
Well, lets try an incorrect fact, an incorrect figure, and an unsubstantiated and unlikely generalization.
http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb1.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=38&t=003081&p=
One more note, ingesting K orally actually turns it into a different chemical than if you would insufflate/inject it.
Really... what chemical would that be?
http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=38&t=003109
plus there's a saturation point with LSD where you can get no higher, it's about 800mcgs or maybe 15 hits of today's acid
Lycaeum notes the saturation dosage as 500-1000mcg and up. In short, it varies, and can be quite a bit more than 800mcgs.
http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi/ultimatebb1.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=12&t=013269&p=
what the hell are you talking about. It's still easy as shit to cut a pressed pill and repress it. A grade school child could easily do it.
Care to elaborate?
Now we'll throw in a dash of angry, misdirected insults.
I have no idea what kind of stupid slang you're using, but it sounds like it is probably 5-meo-dmt.
you're a fucking moron.
^^^ what the fuck are you talking about?
Those are just from quick searches. I wish I did remember each time I saw one of your posts and realized you had something wrong - it would make the process easier. I'm not prepared to sift through 600 posts looking for the inconsistencies - I've reached the end of the effort I'm willing to expend. These will have to suffice.
Although I'll keep an eye out in the future. :)
 
this is just my opinion as a relativly new person to bluelight but C21H23NO5, if you think what he is saying is bullshit then dont involve your self.dont answer and go on. i have asked questions before and got yelled at before i could make my self clear because someone came with the wrong attitude of insult those who dont know. asking in A PLACE MADE FOR LEARNING THESE THINGS.maybe some consideration should be put into why people like you are permited to be at this site.
 
Jesus people chill. So heroin (and I mean the chemical formula I am too damn lazy to copy over or remember) makes some negative comments. This is an online forum filled with drug users...don't take things so personal. This isn't the E forum where we all pretend to love each other and *plUr* while we all stab each other in the back.
I know im going to get flamed for this but does anyone else find it ironic that often those people who talk about love and plur and all that shit the most seem to engage in the worst backstabing and friend abandonment?
Anyway having said that heroin you are completly wrong on this one. You might have scales and lab equitment capable of adequately measuring out doses of pure heroin but the rest of us don't. From your comment about recutting e pills you have access to a pill press as well but have some sympathy for the rest of us who don't live in drug labs.
In short for ALOT of things (heroin, fentanyl, even meth) a reasonably priced scale isn't accurate enough to dose. Moreover even with enough preciscion dosing is still going to be a pain in the ass...perhaps fatally so when you are high. It is much easier to weigh your entire stash. Cut with a known weight of inactive material so that you can either eyeball or at least easily weigh out doses.
Maybe its because the poster used the bad word *cut*. How about this? Can someone name something of about the same density as heroin (i.e. if you crush them up and mix them it will distribute fairly evenly...fucking this part up probably causes a good deal of overdoses around the country) which is nice and safe to shoot? It doesn't have to *look* like pure heroin...I don't care if the cut is fucking bright pink (though you would never be able to see your pullback).
It would also be interesting from a health perspective to know what else is in the dust you get on the street.
Ohh and heroin the people who are cutting H so they can resell it at profit aren't usually the most civic minded individuals in the world, nor the most intelligent. The fact that no one on BL told them how to cut their heroin well isn't going to stop them from doing it. They will just pull shit out of their fridge till they find something that sort of looks the same color as their H. Disregarding the issue of whether it is bad to shoot or not or if the H will mix evenly.
In short telling people how to cut really only makes you better off, not worse.
[ 02 August 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
 
Miller.. virtually none of that stuff is cut on the street level. There's a couple crackheads that do it, but for the most part, the other people don't.
When the street level guys run out, they go and pick up weight from someone else, usually a pack and then they run straight over.
It's much more common for someone to short the vial a few pebbles than cut it. The older guy at the bottom of the corner likes to sell dimes worth of dope for $20. But he gets mad and yells and can't figure out why I always pass him.
 
Jesus Christ!! But thanks Soviet, it took all that to find out the answer I was looking for. That it's not cut, at least at the street level. Why did a whole freaking flame war have to break out because of this.
 
Some of the dope I've seen comes in pre-shrinkwrapped little individual packages. I always wondered what level they did the shrinkwrapping, and whether it was intended to insure the low-level distributors couldn't short or cut the dope.
 
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One more note, ingesting K orally actually turns it into a different chemical than if you would insufflate/inject it.
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Really... what chemical would that be?
nor-ketamine
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plus there's a saturation point with LSD where you can get no higher, it's about 800mcgs or maybe 15 hits of today's acid
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Lycaeum notes the saturation dosage as 500-1000mcg and up. In short, it varies, and can be quite a bit more than 800mcgs.
Of course there is going to be a little bit of variance, everyone's receptors are positioned differently, some people are simply going to be able to get higher on LSD than others. 800 is a good AVERAGE.
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what the hell are you talking about. It's still easy as shit to cut a pressed pill and repress it. A grade school child could easily do it.
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Care to elaborate?
Pill pressing machines are not hard at all to make. You can make one for as little as 150 dollars. What some people do is break down pills, etch a logo into their pill press that looks similiar, cut the powdered broken down pills, and then simply repress them. Bingo, look a likes. Logic again.
*** acknowledge this post as quickly as possible so I can edit out this one refute, I really don't like it that so many people are going to see this part.
Now we'll throw in a dash of angry, misdirected insults.
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I have no idea what kind of stupid slang you're using, but it sounds like it is probably 5-meo-dmt.
you're a fucking moron.
^^^ what the fuck are you talking about?
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I believe that was from a thread asking about a drug they did called "beautiful". I really am anti slang, yes I know erowid lists slang, I don't believe in labeling RCs slang. I've never bought into the whole "foxy" thing. Said thread is a perfect reason why though, some kid does a weird drug, then wishes to research it on the internet when he gets home and realizes all he has is the color of the powder and the slang name for it. Like that's gonna return a lot of information. Now if he came to us and said, hey guys, I'm new to this whole scene, but I just snorted this drug called 5-meo-dmt, and it sent me into outer space, really wondering what it was...we could of linked him to www.erowid.org
Those are just from quick searches. I wish I did remember each time I saw one of your posts and realized you had something wrong - it would make the process easier. I'm not prepared to sift through 600 posts looking for the inconsistencies - I've reached the end of the effort I'm willing to expend. These will have to suffice.
I'm glad you can use the search function! See, you're already better off than most people on this website!
Although I'll keep my eye out in the future
Get on it, chief, I'm counting on you.
Everything you said was wrong, I was right, I'm done with this post.
[ 02 August 2002: Message edited by: C21H23NO5 ]
 
My apologies for the negativity. I will leave the dispute aside regardless of further provocation.
 
Anyway having said that heroin you are completly wrong on this one. You might have scales and lab equitment capable of adequately measuring out doses of pure heroin but the rest of us don't.
wow, it's like people are trying to discredit my knowledge or something, heh. Quale, you should invest a couple hundred dollars into a scale that measures acurately to the mg. There are many sites online that sell scales that can measure out this accurately, it doesn't have to be lab quality. Plus, pill pressing machines for mdma pills really are ghetto. Have you ever noticed how the quality of a mdma pill on average is MUCH worse than that of a pharmaceutical pill? It's because the common pill presser does not have nearly enough money to afford a high tech pressing machine.
 
Another problem with uncut heroin is that there's just too damn little of it. Even if you have a $200 scale that can measure accurately, it's a pain in the ass to do so everytime you want to do something like split a dose in half.
Plus, everytime you handle powder, you lose a little bit, whether it's on the side of some foil, or in a bag, on a spoon or spatula, on a scale, whatever. Since the loss amount tends to be fixed, if you're dealing with 50mg of uncut heroin, you're gonna lose a big portion of your stuff this way. If you're dealing with 50mg heroin in 100-200mg cut, you lose much much less. It's just easier.
 
For the record C21 I wasn't attacking your factual knowledge, rather your position that the knowledge of how to cut heroin should be kept secret. I could buy an accurate scale for a couple hundred..or I could use that money to buy drugs.
What do you think I am going to do?
 
interesting little tidbit I found.
Unknown Heroin Contaminant Causes Leukoencephalopathy
May 7, 2002
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An unknown contaminant or filler material has killed at least two people and caused brain damage in at least two others in May of 2002, news reports from Vancouver said. There are a number of cases, documented in the literature, of a type of brain damage that seems to be resulting from smoking a contaminant in some batches of heroin. The following is a collection of references and abstracts related to this issue.
Deaths, brain damage tied to bad drugs, The Province, May 07, 2002
The initial symptoms are often difficulty in speaking or walking. Family members or friends who notice such behaviour should advise any user to seek immediate medical attention, said Blatherwick.
The four recent cases are the first of the condition recorded in B.C., he said.
He appealed to the unknown dealer of the drugs: "You, out there, if you're cutting it [adding non-drug filler to the heroin/cocaine] with something different than you usually do, you should know you are costing yourself customers."
Heroin Inhalation and Progressive Spongiform Leukoencephalopathy
N Engl J Med 1997 Feb 20;336( 8) :589-90
Kriegstein AR, Armitage BA, Kim PY.
The authors report on two cases of a previously unreported progressive spongiform leukoenceph-alopathy occurring after repeated inhalation of heated heroin vapor. Both patients, a 21-year-old woman and a 40 year old man had been "chasing the dragon" for six months and two weeks respectively. The first patient experienced progressive bradykinesia, ataxia, and slurred speech developing over a two-week period. Over the next two weeks, she became mute, spastic, nearly quadriplegic, and unable to stand or sit. The second patient had dysarthric, scanning speech and saccadic-pursuit eye movements with ocular dysmetria, ataxic arm movements with dysmetria, dysdiadochokinesia, and rebound; broad based and ataxic gait. Cerebral T2-weighted MRI findings were similar for both patients. The authors cite several similar cases reported in Europe, all involving heroin heated in aluminum foil and inhaled. So far there is no known treatment for this condition and a 25% mortality rate. The authors suspect that the cause may be contamination of small batches of heroin by an unknown substance activated by heating, and are concerned, given the rise of heroin smoking as a means of avoiding exposure to HIV through needle use.
Leukoencephalopathy and raised brain lactate from heroin vapor inhalation ("chasing the dragon")
Neurology 1999 Nov 10;53( 8) :1765-73
Kriegstein AR, Shungu DC, Millar WS, Armitage BA, Brust JC, Chillrud S, Goldman J, Lynch T.
BACKGROUND: Inhalation of heated heroin vapor ("chasing the dragon"), which is gaining popularity among drug users seeking to avoid the risks of parenteral drug administration, can produce progressive spongiform leukoencephalopathy. METHODS: We studied the clinical phenotype and course, MRI, MRS, and brain pathology in the first American patients described with this syndrome. RESULTS: Two of the three heroin users studied inhaled heroin pyrolysate together daily over the course of 2 weeks. They developed ataxia, dysmetria, and dysarthria. Patient 1 progressed to an akinetic mute state with decorticate posture and subsequent spastic quadriparesis. Patient 2 developed a mild spastic quadriparesis and gait freezing. Patient 3 was asymptomatic following less heroin exposure. Brain MRI showed diffuse, symmetrical white matter hyperintensities in the cerebellum, posterior cerebrum, posterior limbs of the internal capsule, splenium of the corpus callosum, medial lemniscus, and lateral brainstem. MRS showed elevated lactate. Brain biopsy (Patient 1) showed white matter spongiform degeneration with relative sparing of U-fibers; electron microscopy revealed intramyelinic vacuolation with splitting of intraperiod lines. Progressive deterioration occurred in Patients 1 and 2 over 4 weeks. Both were treated with antioxidants including oral coenzyme Q, and clinical improvement occurred. Patient 1 recovered nearly completely over 24 months. Patient 2 improved, but developed a delayed-onset cerebellar hand tremor. Both still have white matter abnormalities on MRI and MRS. CONCLUSIONS: Elevated lactate in white matter and the possible response to antioxidants suggests mitochondrial dysfunction in progressive spongiform leukoencephalopathy following inhalation of heated heroin vapor.
Leukoencephalopathy after inhalation of heroin vapor.
J Formos Med Assoc 1997 Sep;96(9):758-60
Chang YJ, Tsai CH, Chen CJ.
A 25-year-old man presented in March 1996 with progressive dysarthria, cerebellar ataxia, and dystonia, which began after he inhaled heroin vapor for a full day 2 months previously. The patient had a 2-year history of heroin inhalation. Magnetic brain stimulation showed waveform dysynchronization suggestive of motor pathway perturbation above the cervical spinal level. Brain computed tomography and magnetic resonance imaging revealed extensive symmetric white matter involvement of bilateral cerebral and cerebellar hemispheres and the brainstem, especially along the corticospinal tract. The clinical features, electrophysiologic manifestations, and imaging studies strongly indicated a lipophilic toxin-induced demyelinating process, mainly involving the central motor system, as the most likely cause of heroin leukoencephalopathy. This is the first reported case of heroin-related leukoencephalopathy in Taiwan.
Vacuolar leucoencephalopathy induced by heroin: 4cases [Article in French]
Rev Neurol (Paris) 2002 Feb;158(2):177-82
Koussa S, Zabad R, Rizk T, Tamraz J, Nasnas R, Chemaly R.
We report 4 cases of toxic leucoencephalopathy after heroin inhalation. The clinical features, which usually occur some days or even longer after the last heroin consumption, are dominated by a cerebellar syndrome. The cerebellar hemispheres are almost always affected; the cerebral hemispheres, the cerebellar peduncles and the pyramidal tract may be affected. Vacuolar demyelination is the morphological substract of the lesions, which are symmmetrical, not contrast enhancing, hypodense on CT scan and hyperintense on T2-weighted MRI. The pathophysiology is unknown and seems different from post-anoxic leucoencephalopathy. The disease is usually progressive leading sometimes to death, but some cases show slow recovery.
 
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