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How important is diet in getting jacked while on testosterone replacement therapy

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I am currently on TRT and lifting weights 6 days a week I have been on test since october or so and it has really helped me build alot of muscle. However my diet can be sometimes rather shit. I have a bad habit of drinking way to much dr.pepper. A unhealthy amount really. Also when im drinking coffee ill always have a double double. I guess i have abit of a sweet tooth.

If i want more gains is extra protein the answer? I have been trying to eat more good protein like eggs and fish and meat lately. I used to rely on whey powder abit to much
 
Personally I find the health risks of soft drinks unacceptable especially if you want to live healthy. Diabetes anyone? Can't you find a diet soft drink you like? Artificial sweeteners have some bad press but IMHO the benefits clearly outweigh the risks of too much sugar. It's pretty amazing to drink as much as you like without it throwing off your calories of the day.

Yes, a high protein intake is beneficial. First I would suggest that you use a calculator to estimate your lean mass and your basal metabolic rate (BMR). This one is very accurate as opposed to others which often overestimate the BMR. Its for keto but ketarians are basically eating like bodybuilders. Just ignore the net carbs it shows. Stick to the protein. When you're finished you know how much grams of protein per day would be appropriate for optimal weight gain. The amount of meat necessary can be intimidating but you can use protein powder for shakes as well to hit your macros.

Also relevant is your caloric intake. You want to have a slight surplus of your BMR in order to efficiently gain mass, maybe a 10% surplus. Or you want to be 15-20% below your BMR during a cut. The testosterone will surely help not losing much muscle during a cut btw. For this to work properly it is strongly advised that you track your intake using a calorie tracker app, like myfitnesspal for example.

Now this might seem a bit much, especially the calorie tracking but you can simply scan the bar code with your phone, weight the amount and insert it into your food plan. If you stick to that it becomes second nature after a while and if you wanna get really fancy you can get a fitness tracker and link it to myfitnesspal for even more accurate information.
 
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Diet plays a huge role. Deficit or surplus of calories and how are we going to achieve those calories ie What macros are web using to reach our caloric goal. TRT will help but Ferraris don’t run on fumes or garbage gasoline.

When I’m not in a specific bulking or cutting phase I cycle my carbs 2 high, 1 low, 2 high, 2 low with my workouts tailored around my diet. I maintain a true 12%-14% BF year round with that diet and low dose gear.
 
diet is more important than the testosterone if you want to gain muscle. foood is incredibly anabolic. if training is the car. food is the fuel test is the nitrous. without diet and training the nitrous doesn't get you a whole lot
 
Ya i should eat better. I dont even eat breakfast my breakfast is usually 3 cups of coffee and weed. Then i lift and have a protein shake after that which is i guess brunch for me lol.

I really need to cut down on the dr.pepper. I think im kind of addicted to them i love dr.pepper so much
 
My personal ( as someone who has competed in the " classic " definition) a good diet between cycles and just being on maintenance of 200mg test cyp back then diet was key what I kept or gained post cycle or shows. Whether it was quality gains or 90% shit. Or loss of muscle mass. So I would say diet does play a key role in your goals that is.
 
Personally I find the health risks of soft drinks unacceptable especially if you want to live healthy. Diabetes anyone? Can't you find a diet soft drink you like? Artificial sweeteners have some bad press but IMHO the benefits clearly outweigh the risks of too much sugar. It's pretty amazing to drink as much as you like without it throwing off your calories of the day.

Yes, a high protein intake is beneficial. First I would suggest that you use a calculator to estimate your lean mass and your basal metabolic rate (BMR). This one is very accurate as opposed to others which often overestimate the BMR. Its for keto but ketarians are basically eating like bodybuilders. Just ignore the net carbs it shows. Stick to the protein. When you're finished you know how much grams of protein per day would be appropriate for optimal weight gain. The amount of meat necessary can be intimidating but you can use protein powder for shakes as well to hit your macros.

Also relevant is your caloric intake. You want to have a slight surplus of your BMR in order to efficiently gain mass, maybe a 10% surplus. Or you want to be 15-20% below your BMR during a cut. The testosterone will surely help not losing much muscle during a cut btw. For this to work properly it is strongly advised that you track your intake using a calorie tracker app, like myfitnesspal for example.

Now this might seem a bit much, especially the calorie tracking but you can simply scan the bar code with your phone, weight the amount and insert it into your food plan. If you stick to that it becomes second nature after a while and if you wanna get really fancy you can get a fitness tracker and link it to myfitnesspal for even more accurate information.
High protein intake will definitely help but the occasional soda with real sugar and not much other additives (which is hard to find these days except for certain Cola's) won't do you much harm. Articifial sweeteners tend to be a lot more harmful to your body than some sugar. In fact your body NEEDS sugar. It's just when you overdo it with the sugar and combine it with other unhealthy diet choices then it can become very harmful quickly.

What does a "double double" mean next to a coffee @paranoid android? Is that some kind of food or something you add into your coffee?
 
High protein intake will definitely help but the occasional soda with real sugar and not much other additives (which is hard to find these days except for certain Cola's) won't do you much harm. Articifial sweeteners tend to be a lot more harmful to your body than some sugar. In fact your body NEEDS sugar. It's just when you overdo it with the sugar and combine it with other unhealthy diet choices then it can become very harmful quickly.

What does a "double double" mean next to a coffee @paranoid android? Is that some kind of food or something you add into your coffee?
I agree about the occasional can of soda but in Western societies we very likely consume too much sugar and especially starchy food which both gets metabolized into glucose and can lead to obesity, diabetes but also heart diseases, cancer, etc. Switching from sugars to sweeteners can help considerably to lower those health risks.

The consequences of a high carb high sugar diet have been systematically downplayed in research for over 50 years now. The sugar industry lobbied like crazy and pretty much bought institutions which then shat out papers blaming fat for the rise of health conditions. Those institutions also designed our food guidelines. The pyramid etc.

Sweeteners while not perfect can definitely be a tool of harm reduction and I disagree about them being more harmful than sugar. Foods like soda, ice cream and sweets could be so much less harmful if sweeteners would be used instead.

And don't get me started about fructose.

BTW for the record, you do not need dietary sugar either. The body can metabolize the glucose the brain needs but the brain can also switch to ketones instead. You can live for a really long time purely on protein and fat. It is controversial how unhealthy that really is. people undergoing "carnivore" often don't appear to be malnourished or so but ketogenic diet is usually recommended instead.
 
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diet is going to be important for gaining muscle with or without exogenous test

test basically just improves your capacity for recovery, that's it

just as example that doesn't make actual sense IRL:
say you can recover from 10 sets of squats every 3 days and you progress as expected

add in test and suddenly you can recover from 14 sets per day and still progress as expected, of course now a bit faster due to higher volumes


even though capacity for recovery increases, you still need to supply the building materials and energy to allow the recovery to happen

say you required 6 cheeseburgers per day to recover from 10 squats.

when you go up to 14 squats with test, you're still going to need an extra cheeseburger or two because there is more repair that needs to be done
 
I'm not sure a caloric surplus is a good idea considering OP is on olanzapine 10mg

Getting 'jacked' on a trt dose of test isn't going to happen in any case. That requires supratherapeutic test levels and possibly other anabolic hormones.
 
I'm not sure a caloric surplus is a good idea considering OP is on olanzapine 10mg

Getting 'jacked' on a trt dose of test isn't going to happen in any case. That requires supratherapeutic test levels and possibly other anabolic hormones.

Unlike say that poison invega or abilify i dont gain weight from zyprexa. I can drink about 6 dr.peppers a day and not gain any fat from it.

Have you tried androstenedione, a testosterone precursor?

I cant say i have even heard of it tbh
 
I'm not sure a caloric surplus is a good idea considering OP is on olanzapine 10mg

Getting 'jacked' on a trt dose of test isn't going to happen in any case. That requires supratherapeutic test levels and possibly other anabolic hormones.
getting jacked is possible without any drugs
 
getting jacked is possible without any drugs

I managed to put on about 30lbs just by lifting weights without being on test. Since going on test though i have noticed that its easier to put on muscle. No doubt if i ate alot better i would see more improvements

And ya you dont need roids to get jacked. There are guys in prison without even access to weights who look more jacked then people on tren even
 
I know nothing about TRT, but I do know this: diet is probably the most important factor in general health & well-being.

A very close second is regular adequate sleep.
 
getting jacked is possible without any drugs
Nah

Unless by jacked you mean 15% body fat or more with a bit of extra lean mass gained during the first year of weight training

Gaining 30lbs of 'pure' muscle naturally in your 40s isn't a thing especially when taking antipsychotics and/or opioids

There's no shame in using hormones
Unlike say that poison invega or abilify i dont gain weight from zyprexa. I can drink about 6 dr.peppers a day and not gain any fat from it.
All the data available indicates olanzapine has the worst metabolic effects of the atypical antipsychotics

You must be special
 
Nah

Unless by jacked you mean 15% body fat or more with a bit of extra lean mass gained during the first year of weight training

Gaining 30lbs of 'pure' muscle naturally in your 40s isn't a thing especially when taking antipsychotics and/or opioids

There's no shame in using hormones

All the data available indicates olanzapine has the worst metabolic effects of the atypical antipsychotics

You must be special

I gained about 30lbs of muscle before going on test and my test levels where quite low. That was over a span of about a year and a half i think. I have some flab on my stomach but thats leftover from when i was on invega and then abilify. I was 225 to 230lbs when I was on abilify injections and after about a year of being on latuda dropped down to about 160 to 170lbs. I got to skinny on that shit not to mention it gave me the worst akathisia of my life. I found it very hard to eat anything on it. After it gave me akathisia thats when i went on zyprexa and i started lifting weights at the sme time as i was determined not to get fat again.

I believe the low test was due to the invega and abilify i was on not so much the morphine and zyprexa. Fuck invega and the cunt who thought of it

I havent gained any fat since going on zyprexa. When i was on invega and abilify however i would gain weight just by looking at food. Those are far far worse imo. Everyone reacts differently to drugs some people dont gain weight from invega but i blew up like a motherfucker on it
 
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