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[paranoid android]

That sounds like a fantastic way to spend a day. Have been feeling nostalgic about my morphine days. Would slowly bite away at 100mg extended release morphine everyday and just sit and read books and tend to my cannabis plants during the day and binge watch movies at night. Would take 1-3 of those 100mg pills a day depending on how many we had laying around. Sure was a rude awakening when we ran out though

Ya im gonna put on a movie later and chill out and smoke hash. Right now im lifting weights. I gotta be one of the only guys that uses morphine as a pre workout lol

 

[SuperPsych]

Ya im gonna put on a movie later and chill out and smoke hash. Right now im lifting weights. I gotta be one of the only guys that uses morphine as a pre workout lol

I can see how morphine could be beneficial with lifting weights and working out in general. So long as you can get the motivation to get started that is. 3-MeO-PCP was my favorite workout drug. Had more than enough get up and go as well as motivation and desire to better oneself, and it numbed you just enough to get some extra pumps in. Goddamn I miss 3-MeO-PCP. Such a wonderful drug.

The list as of today:

• 75mg Hydroxyzine (it's like Soma lite, I really enjoy this shit).

Recently my fiance and I each lost a pet, after my cat died (the reason I've been a bit absent) I decided to take an eyeballed dose of 2C-B, and 20mg of 4-AcO-DMT to process some shit. It worked wonderfully, but it rendered 2.25mg of DOB 3 days later virtually inert, it felt more like 500-750ug which was odd. Giving my serotonin receptors a full week (or maybe 10 days) to come back down from that. I'm excited to trip again, DPT, DiPT, 5-MeO-DiPT, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-AcO-DMT, 4-HO-DET, Pan cyans, Peyote, Mescaline, Allylescaline, DOB, DOM, HBWR seeds or LSA that I extract from them, Amanita muscaria, Ayahusaca vine, 25I-NBOMe/25B-NBOH (got all mixed up tragically), and a few others are at my disposal. I'm trying to be much more intentional in throwing them at ritual magic, intentional set/setting combinations, etc., so do any of these seem to shine to you guys for combinations? I could always mix in stimulants or depressants, but as far as dissos go I've only got DXM right now.

Could you go into a little bit more detail as why you consider Hydroxyzine to be "like Soma lite"? I usually take 50mg-100mg but don't see many similarities between the 2. I do like Hydroxyzine. It's got great utility considering it's just an antihistamine. I'm wondering if I'm missing something that occurs at higher doses.

I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your cat. It's always so difficult trying to process the loss of a special relationship like that. I'm glad to hear that your eyeballed 2C-B and 20mg 4-ACO-DMT trip went well. I think that waiting 10 days (at least) is a wonderful idea. I personally and in the camp that adding stimulants to a psychedelic adds nothing beneficial to the trip. Maybe I'm wrong but in my experience they don't. The only stim + psychedelic combo that I will support is Mescaline and Amphetamines and that's only because of Allen Ginsberg lol. I did once have a good time dropping LSD while high af on meth but I think that only turned out okay because we also dropped 5-MAPB. Think we added 2C-B and maybe some other later on. Dropped a bit of oral meth and a lowish dose of 2CB at an Infected Mushroom show and really regretted it. I also haven't met a depressant that I feel adds much to a psychedelic experience, though Heroin + LSD I have heard is fantastic and I want to try before my time comes. I think downers can be good during a psychedelic comedown, especially after longer sessions.

DXM I've only mixed with psychedelics once and that was with LSD. Was pretty cool, though I doubt that I'll try mixing the 2 again. Honestly, I would recommend a high dose of DXM by itself if you have the time and don't take any medicines that interact. I have had some of my most profound drug induced experiences on high doses of DXM. Not to mention the greatest music enhancement and music euphoria that I have experienced. DXM + a cigarette at the peak followed by a little bit of weed an hour or so into the peak is earth shattering stuff. Some of the most beautiful feelings of serenity and euphoria that I've ever experienced.

As for combos that stick out? I haven't tried this one but Ii intend to, and that Mescaline + Allylescaline. I dont yet have experience with 4-HO-DET to see how it plays with other tryptamines, but 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MIPT have always treated me well when mixed. Add a bit of 4-ACO-DMT as the peak from the other 2 start to fade if you're wanting something more serious by that time. I'm sure that 4-HO-DET would also mix well and hell, probably DPT too. 4-Substituted tryptamines never seem to produce immediate tolerance for me. I can ride out the peak from 4-HO-MIPT and towards the tail end add 5mg of 4-ACO-DMT and it its clearly percetible and changes the character of the trip.

I havent triied this yet either but I'm certain that Allylescalin with 2C-B added as the Allyl kicks in would be a beautiful trip. Never considered that but it's goin onto my "to-do" list of combos

 

[paranoid android]

I can see how morphine could be beneficial with lifting weights and working out in general. So long as you can get the motivation to get started that is. 3-MeO-PCP was my favorite workout drug. Had more than enough get up and go as well as motivation and desire to better oneself, and it numbed you just enough to get some extra pumps in. Goddamn I miss 3-MeO-PCP. Such a wonderful drug.

Ya you just gotta becareful not to lift to heavy. 3-meo as a pre work out? Wtf is it anything like old pcp? Ie never had dust but i have had ketamine and much better s ketamine. I could never imagine lfting on s ket as moving is rather hard. Also you cant feel pain on dissociatives. I would just say no to lifting on dissocitives in general but thats just me

 

[SuperPsych]

Ya you just gotta becareful not to lift to heavy. 3-meo as a pre work out? Wtf is it anything like old pcp? Ie never had dust but i have had ketamine and much better s ketamine. I could never imagine lfting on s ket as moving is rather hard. Also you cant feel pain on dissociatives. I would just say no to lifting on dissocitives in general but thats just me

You definitely do have to be careful not to lift heavy, especially on dissociatives. I never lifted any weight that I wouldn't be able to handle sober. When I do lift weights, I typically aim for lower weight, higher rep than the reverse. But yeah, I used to LOVE doing a bump or two of 3-MeO-PCP and then working out. I've never tried PCP so I can't compare but there are apparently similarities. 3-MeO-PCP and PCP itself aren't intoxicating like Ketamine and other "hole" inducing dissociatives are. By that I mean that a person is completely ambulatory, even during blackout states. That's where the danger lies with these chemicals and you get reports of people stripping naked and running through the streets or chopping their dicks off or fighting police. In lower doses, 3-MeO-PCP is pretty clear-headed, but with a lot of energy and drive and some mania. I would absolutely advise against working out on Ketamine and substances like it. I tried working out on lowish doses of ketamine a while back and even at low doses it messes up your coordination enough that exercising becomes unsafe. 3-MeO-PCP I have never noticed issues with my motor skills, even at fairly high doses. The main issue with working out on PCP like substances is injuring yourself by pushing too hard.

3-HO-PCP I found to not be great for working out personally unless the dose was kept under 8mg or so. 3-HO-PCP doesn't have the drive behind it like 3-MeO-PCP. So not every PCP analogue is gonna be good for exercise. I think I'll give 3-me-PCP a shot when I get it next. I think that it'd make a good workout drug.

 

[paranoid android]

You definitely do have to be careful not to lift heavy, especially on dissociatives. I never lifted any weight that I wouldn't be able to handle sober. When I do lift weights, I typically aim for lower weight, higher rep than the reverse. But yeah, I used to LOVE doing a bump or two of 3-MeO-PCP and then working out. I've never tried PCP so I can't compare but there are apparently similarities. 3-MeO-PCP and PCP itself aren't intoxicating like Ketamine and other "hole" inducing dissociatives are. By that I mean that a person is completely ambulatory, even during blackout states. That's where the danger lies with these chemicals and you get reports of people stripping naked and running through the streets or chopping their dicks off or fighting police. In lower doses, 3-MeO-PCP is pretty clear-headed, but with a lot of energy and drive and some mania. I would absolutely advise against working out on Ketamine and substances like it. I tried working out on lowish doses of ketamine a while back and even at low doses it messes up your coordination enough that exercising becomes unsafe. 3-MeO-PCP I have never noticed issues with my motor skills, even at fairly high doses. The main issue with working out on PCP like substances is injuring yourself by pushing too hard.

3-HO-PCP I found to not be great for working out personally unless the dose was kept under 8mg or so. 3-HO-PCP doesn't have the drive behind it like 3-MeO-PCP. So not every PCP analogue is gonna be good for exercise. I think I'll give 3-me-PCP a shot when I get it next. I think that it'd make a good workout drug.

You literally couldnt work out on ketamine. Especially s ketamine as it just k holes your ass right away. would be afraid to work out on dissociatives lol

My friend has done alot of pcp and she loves it. She has never seen anyone have a bad reaction to it either. But if you where able to be ambulatory on that stuff i could see problems arising maybe. I think id be ok i dont react badly to any drug.

 

[SuperPsych]

You literally couldnt work out on ketamine. Especially s ketamine as it just k holes your ass right away. would be afraid to work out on dissociatives lol

Yeah working out on ketamine is a disaster waiting to happen. I get what you're saying, but regardless of isomer, Ketamine sending you into a hole is dose dependent. On lower doses I can enjoy some movement. Though once I try going outside and walking then it ceases to be enjoyable. I love running around the house and doing chores and dancing on a low dose of ketamine, but for the most part ketamine just makes me want to sit on my ass and do massive lines to experience hole after hole, or get right to the edge of a hole and watch some anime.

My friend has done alot of pcp and she loves it. She has never seen anyone have a bad reaction to it either. But if you where able to be ambulatory on that stuff i could see problems arising maybe. I think id be ok i dont react badly to any drug.

I think it really depends on how each individual is built in regards if they'll enjoy PCP, or even dissociatives in general. Obviously set and setting plays a role too, probably with PCP more so than with other dissociatives.
PCP is my holy grail drug. I have never tried it and would go to near any length to be able to experience it. I'm rather certain that I would love it. I've yet to come across a dissociative that I didn't enjoy, and 3-MeO-PCP is my favorite dissociative by far. I'd gladly pay $100 or more for a single sherm stick if I knew that it was the real deal.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Not smashed but happy...

16:00
0.05ml RSO Gelonade
500mg paracetamol
250mg ibuprofen
10mg codeine
0.5ml Pink Lotus tincture
.3g of Budder dabs infused with terps. Dbl cream strain. Smooth and very rich in terpenes and taste.

Also got 1g diamond and sauce Grand Daddy Purple ( terp infused ) for tomorrow...

THCA Diamonds: Crystalline structures of highly purified tetrahydrocannabinolic acid
(THCA) exceeding 99% potency, resemblec oarse sugar or rock salt and is derived from raw cannabis as a non-intoxicating compound. When heated through dabbing or vaporizing, THCA converts into its active form, delivering strong effects.

Sauce: A terpene-heavy liquid containing cannabinoids, flavonoids, and the strain's aromatic compounds.

Short explanation of whT I got..

Oh also just dropt 450mg peegabalin.

Super sidenote: looking forward to this thc-a dominant budder for tomorrow.

Sleep time or good 1-1/5 hr rest

Awe

 

[speed-limper]

5mg 7hydromitra, 5mg psuedoindoxyl. 30mg dextroamphetamine, 10mg cyclobenzeprine. 5mg buspar. Chamomile Tea.

Stopping daily weed usage for a while to expand on my mental health some more.

Just getting over severe stomach bug and feel better every day
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[Esperighanto]

I’m quite sensitive but I imagine I’d struggle with just caffeine and bupropion lol, I couldn’t imagine with the cannabinoids etc

Bupropion is an absolute godsend of a compound for me, I'll be exploring a handful of analogs of it hopefully within a year or two. I should preface this by saying that I have a super complicated medical history that can be summarized as ulcerative colitis/sometimes considered crohn's disease but sometimes just U.C, a ton of brain damage from surgical fuck-ups, 17 surgeries, a small fraction of my small intestine left as patchwork and no large intestine at all, 12-15 concussions to the point of being told I was edging up on "pugilistic dementia" at the age of 18, before ever using hallucinogens too I caught a schizophrenia diagnosis that has since been wiped from my record, because for some reason, cannabis makes me normal for 3-4 days, so if I smoke every few days or take some tincture I'm fine. Years of serotonergic psychedelic exposure got my brain to scan with zero lesions for the first time ever too. I just want to preface with this because I'm not a good source on dosage, I likely poorly absorb a large variety of things, and I have unironically never felt anxious in my entire life, likely as a result of the brain damage (I cannot recall anything from before it).

SuperPsych already said the majority of things that I would've said, the main thing is to be well aware if anything you're using is metabolized by CYP2D6, for example DXM or tramadol. Sometimes people do this on purpose, I'm a fan of "fauxvelity" I've been calling it, when DXM and bupropion is mixed. It's a much more hardcore dissociative experience with less psychedelia imo, closer to 3-HO-PCP or DCK rather than 3-MeO-PCP or 2F-DCK, if that makes sense. Keep in mind that Bupropion is two carbons away from being 3-CMC, 3-Chloromethcathinone, an entactogenic stimulant. When I first came upon Bupropion, my initial remarks were written down, referring to it as "slow motion Ritalin", in a similar way to my descriptions of mescaline as "slow motion 2C-B" and 2C-B as "fast-forward mescaline". It noticeably acts as a stimulant, with residual stimulation easily lasting over a day when taken in very large amounts. I've never gone about 600mg in a day, but I usually weigh about 100kg, and this drug absolutely scales by bodyweight.

As far as routes of administration go, insufflated Bupropion metabolizes differently by skipping first-pass metabolism, and it acts much more as an NDRI whereas oral administration is moreso just an NRI. Oral Bupropion reminds me of ephedrine, yohimbine, and methylphenidate in character, like if amphetamine was trying to act like all of those. When insufflated, it's tough to tell that it's not methylphenidate or some peculiar RC phenidate. Mixed with 4F-MPH, MPH, amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA, MDA, and NEP it has been fantastic imo, but I also had a serious Bupropion tolerance at that time and I've always been notoriously hardy towards stimulants, as with most drug classes. Bupropion withdrawals are fucking terrible but can be eased with ephedra sinica tea (mormon tea), the withdrawals felt identical to taking 10mg of Prazosin for the first time. By saying that, I mean it had me passing out randomly throughout my day like a Victorian woman catching 'the vapors'.

For me personally, Bupropion is dreamy as fuck. I've found my sweet spot is using 75-225mg up to 3 days a week, sometimes all in a row, sometimes broken up, but any more and the tolerance becomes annoying, and daily administration is just begging for habituation. Avoid that, and use Bupropion acutely as a stimulant more noticeable than caffeine, modafinil or fladrafinil, but less noticeable than methylphenidate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, or NEP.

I'm not sure how these things work so maybe 3,4-MD-PCP might be metabolized through similar pathways due to the similarity in chemical structure? I don't know enough about pharmacology and pharmocokinetics to know for certain.

From what I understand of arylcyclohexylamine structure activity relationships, it shouldn't relate to why MDA or MDMA may be enhanced by Bupropion for some, but it's tough to tell if one of the metabolites of 3,4-MD-PCP would downstream be metabolized by CYP2D6, therefore causing unexpected effects. Once more research occurs in the future, I'm sure we'll be able to tell.

For me bupropion has been a godsend considering the fact that untreated ADHD has been a huge contributor to my ongoing long-term battle with depression. The main issue that I run into is that I have to be extra careful with caffeine. Just a pinch too much and suddenly my anxiety skyrockets. It's a delicate balance considering my caffeine addiction.

I was savagely addicted to caffeine (600-1,000mg daily) for something like 6 years straight, 3 of them taking 300mg of Bupropion IR, often intranasally, and I was able to function as a result of these things alongside the antipsychotic effects I gained from cannabis. It was a mix that would maybe not help everybody, but for me personally dealing with chronic fatigue from malabsorption, it was pivotal because I had to have enough energy and focus to code for 8-10 hours a day, daily. It also made things like skateboarding and working out easier to do, free from exhaustion and with an easier time actually getting up to do things. I'm about 10 minutes from taking some to aggressively clean my bedroom.

My doctor suggested going up to 450mg of bupropion but I declined due to the fact that in the past it has made me extremely anxious, especially with caffeine. I'm considering trying it because I seem to start to lose focus around evening. Maybe I'll see if he'll prescribe me a 75mg IR bupropion on top of my 300mg SR per day. I think I might be able to handle it a bit better now that my anxiety is being treated with gabapentin and hydroxyzine.

My docs don't want me above 300 right now so I'm going to push for methylphenidate on top of it, but I'd love to do both 450mg of Bupropion a day on top of some methylphenidate, as anything that I don't use just gets added to the antidepressant stockpile. I'm prescribed gabapentin right now, but hydroxyzine is something I'm also going to try to get added on, all of these seem like they're quite liberally prescribed right now and they seem really slept on in my opinion.

Have to be EXTREMELY careful with cannabis. Even 2-3mg of THC orally I have been finding more intense than desired. Usually I can handle 5mg THC or so pretty well, but since staarting bupropion it causes me anxiety very eaasily. I am sensitive to cannabis and it's anxiety producing effects though.

I've known this to occur in maybe 2/3 Bupropion users, it didn't hit me that way but I've been consuming cannabis since I was 13, so I think I may have just already been used to it. Bupropion is key in producing people I know who love LSD, psilocybin, etc., but not cannabis or MDMA.

Thank you @SuperPsych for articulating virtually every point I would've brought up to this guy, I just tried to add some observations I've made over many years of using a shit ton of Bupropion, and being around a ton of other people who do too, via both oral and intranasal RoAs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Back on topic, not hyperfixating on Bupropion anymore because it's way too easy for me to waste hours talking about it, hahaha.

Could you go into a little bit more detail as why you consider Hydroxyzine to be "like Soma lite"? I usually take 50mg-100mg but don't see many similarities between the 2. I do like Hydroxyzine. It's got great utility considering it's just an antihistamine. I'm wondering if I'm missing something that occurs at higher doses.

Yeah, I've used an insane amount of Soma from a variety of sources and producers, and it feels like Soma from 175-225mg, which is as high as I've pushed it. Hydroxyzine is less myorelaxant but more cognitively relaxing in my opinion, but I've yet to notice any other major differences between ~225mg of hydroxyzine to ~750mg of carisoprodol. I doubt I could distinguish them in a blind study, outside of hydroxyzine lasting maybe 1.5-2 hours longer, and coming on in a more gentle way. Soma kind of hits like a bus.

I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your cat. It's always so difficult trying to process the loss of a special relationship like that. I'm glad to hear that your eyeballed 2C-B and 20mg 4-ACO-DMT trip went well. I think that waiting 10 days (at least) is a wonderful idea. I personally and in the camp that adding stimulants to a psychedelic adds nothing beneficial to the trip. Maybe I'm wrong but in my experience they don't. The only stim + psychedelic combo that I will support is Mescaline and Amphetamines and that's only because of Allen Ginsberg lol. I did once have a good time dropping LSD while high af on meth but I think that only turned out okay because we also dropped 5-MAPB. Think we added 2C-B and maybe some other later on. Dropped a bit of oral meth and a lowish dose of 2CB at an Infected Mushroom show and really regretted it. I also haven't met a depressant that I feel adds much to a psychedelic experience, though Heroin + LSD I have heard is fantastic and I want to try before my time comes. I think downers can be good during a psychedelic comedown, especially after longer sessions.

Meth and acid sure are fun together, I've used meth maybe 50-ish times total in my life, for sure less than 100, always in the form of counterfeit Adderall. First time I was 15 and just thought "damn, that Adderall lasted a REALLY long time". I've mixed LSD, 2C-B, allylescaline, and miprocin with NEP, amphetamine, methamphetamine, and 4F-MPH personally, each possible cross of those two groups, and I fucking adore it personally. Soma, floribut, tapentadol, 7-OH-mitragynine, mitragynine, tianeptine, bromazolam, etizolam, alprazolam, diazepam, bromonordiazepam, phenazolam, flualprazolam, promethazine and tizanidine (intranasal strictly) are all great in mixed with psychedelics, but the more GABA heavy you go, the more you need to increase the psychedelic dose to have equivalent effects given GABA doesn't kill a trip but it can mute certain aspects of it. If 3 tabs of acid is the desired experience along a milligram of flualp, you'll need 4-6 tabs of acid, depending on the situation. I love mixes like these as being sort of "vibe shifted", acid and meth is great for cleaning, acid and soma is great for sex, acid and etizolam is great for meditating, all just different tools for different situations for my personal neurochemistry. 2C-B and allylescaline are gentle mixes, miprocin can be a little much if the come-up overlaps with others but it's still nice for me, I just wish mip lasted longer because taking it with meth is amazing, but once the mip wears off it gets pretty boring.

DXM I've only mixed with psychedelics once and that was with LSD. Was pretty cool, though I doubt that I'll try mixing the 2 again. Honestly, I would recommend a high dose of DXM by itself if you have the time and don't take any medicines that interact. I have had some of my most profound drug induced experiences on high doses of DXM. Not to mention the greatest music enhancement and music euphoria that I have experienced. DXM + a cigarette at the peak followed by a little bit of weed an hour or so into the peak is earth shattering stuff. Some of the most beautiful feelings of serenity and euphoria that I've ever experienced.

As for combos that stick out? I haven't tried this one but Ii intend to, and that Mescaline + Allylescaline. I dont yet have experience with 4-HO-DET to see how it plays with other tryptamines, but 4-HO-MET and 4-HO-MIPT have always treated me well when mixed. Add a bit of 4-ACO-DMT as the peak from the other 2 start to fade if you're wanting something more serious by that time. I'm sure that 4-HO-DET would also mix well and hell, probably DPT too. 4-Substituted tryptamines never seem to produce immediate tolerance for me. I can ride out the peak from 4-HO-MIPT and towards the tail end add 5mg of 4-ACO-DMT and it its clearly percetible and changes the character of the trip.

I havent triied this yet either but I'm certain that Allylescalin with 2C-B added as the Allyl kicks in would be a beautiful trip. Never considered that but it's goin onto my "to-do" list of combos

DXM is definitely one hell of a drug, it was technically the first time I tripped ~15 years old, I was mostly just shocked and had no idea what it was useful for but found it to be neat, like a peculiar variant of a THC edible. Your suggestion of metocin and miprocin together is interesting, I should try every crossed combination of the four 4-subs I have on hand, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MiPT, 4-HO-DET and 4-AcO-DMT. Vaporized DPT while on DOB and 4-AcO-DMT a few weeks ago was fascinating, I'd been smoking some MDMB-4en-PINACA and earlier in the day took Bupropion and DXM, not a combination I imagine is the safest but god was there a lot going on cognitively. It was on par with a high dose of ayahuasca/acid/dabs all together, in a very interesting way that could be therapeutically valuable, but could also easily send somebody to an asylum too imo. Allylescaline and 2C-B are a beautiful combination, allylescaline alongside 3-HO-PCP (orally) , LSD (eyedrops) and 2C-B produced one of my favorite trips of the last many years. It's shocking how effective allylescaline is intranasally and vaporized, it's wild that more people don't use those RoAs for it imo. Allylescaline alongside DOB was neat, it had seemingly a mild synergy with tapentadol, and it seems to cut through benzos very effectively like 2C-B or DOM, as opposed to the psychedelics more easily overshadowed like tryptamines, lysergamides, DOB and DOC.

I'm going to spend more time really getting to know these 4-subs, collectively I've got about an eighth ounce between all four I mentioned, not including mushrooms or fungi cultivation supplies, so I'm excited to see how it goes.

My friend has done alot of pcp and she loves it. She has never seen anyone have a bad reaction to it either. But if you where able to be ambulatory on that stuff i could see problems arising maybe. I think id be ok i dont react badly to any drug.

I've never seen anyone react poorly to PCP either, and I've administered it to a good handful of people, 3-MeO-PCP and 3-HO-PCP specifically. One person though consumed amphetamine that we did not know was tainted with 3-HO-PCP, and that was a rough drive for him but he made it just fine.

10mg cyclobenzeprine. 5mg buspar.

How would you characterize either of these relative to other drugs you've used?

Yeah working out on ketamine is a disaster waiting to happen. I get what you're saying, but regardless of isomer, Ketamine sending you into a hole is dose dependent. On lower doses I can enjoy some movement. Though once I try going outside and walking then it ceases to be enjoyable. I love running around the house and doing chores and dancing on a low dose of ketamine, but for the most part ketamine just makes me want to sit on my ass and do massive lines to experience hole after hole, or get right to the edge of a hole and watch some anime.

Low doses of ketamine, only if you have a moderate-to-high ketamine tolerance, can be relaxing in a way that enhances focus and stimulation. As goofy as it sounds, I was using ketamine daily for 10 months due to some serious health issues, ~125mg daily on average, cleaned 29 grams of mixed arylcyclohexylamines over that time (1g DCK, 14g ketamine, 1g 2-FDCK, 9g 2F-O-PCE aka "CanKet", 1g 3-MeO-PCP, 2g 3-HO-PCP, 1g 3-HO-PCE) and I found that any and every one of them had this "tolerance-dependent nootropic" effect, I actually wrote a lot of the best code and music of my life under the influence of things like 2F-DCK, 3-HO-PCE, 3-MeO-PCP, etc. as a result of this weird phenomenon that you really only come upon if you're abusing the absolute fucking life out of dissociatives.

 

[KurtAurelius]

Bupropion is an absolute godsend of a compound for me, I'll be exploring a handful of analogs of it hopefully within a year or two. I should preface this by saying that I have a super complicated medical history that can be summarized as ulcerative colitis/sometimes considered crohn's disease but sometimes just U.C, a ton of brain damage from surgical fuck-ups, 17 surgeries, a small fraction of my small intestine left as patchwork and no large intestine at all, 12-15 concussions to the point of being told I was edging up on "pugilistic dementia" at the age of 18, before ever using hallucinogens too I caught a schizophrenia diagnosis that has since been wiped from my record, because for some reason, cannabis makes me normal for 3-4 days, so if I smoke every few days or take some tincture I'm fine. Years of serotonergic psychedelic exposure got my brain to scan with zero lesions for the first time ever too. I just want to preface with this because I'm not a good source on dosage, I likely poorly absorb a large variety of things, and I have unironically never felt anxious in my entire life, likely as a result of the brain damage (I cannot recall anything from before it).

SuperPsych already said the majority of things that I would've said, the main thing is to be well aware if anything you're using is metabolized by CYP2D6, for example DXM or tramadol. Sometimes people do this on purpose, I'm a fan of "fauxvelity" I've been calling it, when DXM and bupropion is mixed. It's a much more hardcore dissociative experience with less psychedelia imo, closer to 3-HO-PCP or DCK rather than 3-MeO-PCP or 2F-DCK, if that makes sense. Keep in mind that Bupropion is two carbons away from being 3-CMC, 3-Chloromethcathinone, an entactogenic stimulant. When I first came upon Bupropion, my initial remarks were written down, referring to it as "slow motion Ritalin", in a similar way to my descriptions of mescaline as "slow motion 2C-B" and 2C-B as "fast-forward mescaline". It noticeably acts as a stimulant, with residual stimulation easily lasting over a day when taken in very large amounts. I've never gone about 600mg in a day, but I usually weigh about 100kg, and this drug absolutely scales by bodyweight.

As far as routes of administration go, insufflated Bupropion metabolizes differently by skipping first-pass metabolism, and it acts much more as an NDRI whereas oral administration is moreso jsut an NRI. Oral Bupropion reminds me of ephedrine, yohimbine, and methylphenidate in character, like if amphetamine was trying to act like all of those. When insufflated, it's tough to tell that it's not methylphenidate or some peculiar RC phenidate. Mixed with 4F-MPH, MPH, amphetamine, methamphetamine, MDMA, MDA, and NEP it has been fantastic imo, but I also had a serious Bupropion tolerance at that time and I've always been notoriously hardy towards stimulants, as with most drug classes. Bupropion withdrawals are fucking terrible but can be eased with ephedra sinica tea (mormon tea), the withdrawals felt identical to taking 10mg of Prazosin for the first time. By saying that, I mean it had me passing out randomly throughout my day like a Victorian woman catching 'the vapors'.

For me personally, Bupropion is dreamy as fuck. I've found my sweet spot is using 75-225mg up to 3 days a week, sometimes all in a row, sometimes broken up, but any more and the tolerance becomes annoying, and daily administration is just begging for habituation. Avoid that, and use Bupropion acutely as a stimulant more noticeable than caffeine, modafinil or fladrafinil, but less noticeable than methylphenidate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, or NEP.
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thanks for the super thorough reply as well as sharing your experiences!

 

[SuperPsych]

Years of serotonergic psychedelic exposure got my brain to scan with zero lesions for the first time ever too. I just want to preface with this because I'm not a good source on dosage, I likely poorly absorb a large variety of things, and I have unironically never felt anxious in my entire life, likely as a result of the brain damage (I cannot recall anything from before it).

It's honestly amazing that your wild psychedelic use has seemingly led to your brain healing lesions. I guess dissociatives dont cause Olney's lesions, otherwise you'd probably have some after your year of going through an ounce of arylcyclohexylamines.
It's good to keep in mind the fact that you absorb things differently than most folks. Myself and I'm pretty sure just about everyone else are sometimes bewildered when you describe what your week contained and the doses consumed.

Bupropion withdrawals are fucking terrible but can be eased with ephedra sinica tea (mormon tea), the withdrawals felt identical to taking 10mg of Prazosin for the first time. By saying that, I mean it had me passing out randomly throughout my day like a Victorian woman catching 'the vapors'.

For me personally, Bupropion is dreamy as fuck. I've found my sweet spot is using 75-225mg up to 3 days a week, sometimes all in a row, sometimes broken up, but any more and the tolerance becomes annoying, and daily administration is just begging for habituation. Avoid that, and use Bupropion acutely as a stimulant more noticeable than caffeine, modafinil or fladrafinil, but less noticeable than methylphenidate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, or NEP.

I've never heard of the getting the vapors effect from bupropion withdrawal. I don't doubt it but it seems like an extreme reaction. I do notice bupropion withdrawal pretty immediately. The first symptom is an absolutely inability to focus. The second that withdrawal hits my mind just starts wandering and I can't get it centered and focused. It's similar to my regular ADHD symptoms but a bit more extreme.

Speaking of prazosin, tonight will be the 5th night. Great for PTSD, but its been giving me a "on the tip of my tongue" effect that is very, very frustrating. I'll go to say or type a word, I have it in my mind, but the second that I need to access it, it disappears.

I don't get the dreamy effect myself. "Bupropion acutely as a stimulant more noticeable than caffeine, modafinil or fladrafinil, but less noticeable than methylphenidate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, or NEP." is spot on. I'm prescribed 300mg of bupropion a day. Initially it changed my life. I haven't been able to focus for years. I still get some benefit but its not as effective. Have been trying 450mg out until my doctor appointment. I really need dopaminergic stimulant, I think. Bupropion helps my focus somewhat, but I still really struggle with procrastination as well as "big picture" sort of planning and getting in motion. I have found that 300mg-450mg bupropion XL and/or SR + 1.4g of Phenibut + 200mg or more of caffeine effects me kind of like adderall, without the euphoria or crash. I'm a bit more chatty and my anxiety is lowered (amphetamines lower my anxiety significantly), I'm able to focus a bit more easily on stuff tasks that I typically find mundane (though I'm not able to absorb myself in things that I'm not interested in), I fing myself giving long ass replies when texting and also results in me posting long comments and replies on BL (like this current on, for example).

I was savagely addicted to caffeine (600-1,000mg daily) for something like 6 years straight, 3 of them taking 300mg of Bupropion IR, often intranasally, and I was able to function as a result of these things alongside the antipsychotic effects I gained from cannabis. It was a mix that would maybe not help everybody, but for me personally dealing with chronic fatigue from malabsorption, it was pivotal because I had to have enough energy and focus to code for 8-10 hours a day, daily. It also made things like skateboarding and working out easier to do, free from exhaustion and with an easier time actually getting up to do things. I'm about 10 minutes from taking some to aggressively clean my bedroom.

It's funny, I've been feeling ready to get back into skateboarding since starting wellbutrin and frequently doing the combo I talked about above. I've also been dreaming of it quite often, even more so with the prazosin. Find myself daydreaming about skateboarding a lot. I need skate shoes as thats the only thing holding me back. I plan to get them soon. Unfortunately, bupropion doesn't give me the ability to focus on cleaning my room or doing chores aggresively to get them over with like a traditional stimulant would. I like having a clean room but I can't focus for more than 2 minutes when trying to clean it, so it never stays clean.

My docs don't want me above 300 right now so I'm going to push for methylphenidate on top of it, but I'd love to do both 450mg of Bupropion a day on top of some methylphenidate, as anything that I don't use just gets added to the antidepressant stockpile. I'm prescribed gabapentin right now, but hydroxyzine is something I'm also going to try to get added on, all of these seem like they're quite liberally prescribed right now and they seem really slept on in my opinion.

I've known this to occur in maybe 2/3 Bupropion users, it didn't hit me that way but I've been consuming cannabis since I was 13, so I think I may have just already been used to it. Bupropion is key in producing people I know who love LSD, psilocybin, etc., but not cannabis or MDMA.

Thank you @SuperPsych for articulating virtually every point I would've brought up to this guy, I just tried to add some observations I've made over many years of using a shit ton of Bupropion, and being around a ton of other people who do too, via both oral and intranasal RoAs.

I wish you luck in getting the MPH. Let me know how that goes! I'll eventually request the same from my doctor, but he's aware of my past stimulant addiction, so I have to get through gunfacine and atomoxitine first before those become a possible option, and even then I'm unsure. He's a really good Doc so I think he'd be willing to give me like a 2 week trial and see if I can manage it without fucking up. 450mg Bupropion and MPH on top seems likee a lot, but I suppose that you do have the malabsorption issue. That combo would have me vibrating from the inside out. I know that some people react very well to the Wellbutrin/Stimulant combo. I imagine that the wellbutrin would temper some of the addictive qualities of traditional stimulant treatments.

I agree that Hydroxyzine is slept on a bit. At least in the community. Doctors seem quick to recommend it, in my opinion. Gabapentin seems to be passed out like candy around here. They are both fantastic meds and are great additions to the tool box. Gabapentin = Hydroxyzine effectively lowers my anxiety without making me foggy or inebriating me.

And it's my pleasure! I'm glad that I could add something to the conversation.

Yeah, I've used an insane amount of Soma from a variety of sources and producers, and it feels like Soma from 175-225mg, which is as high as I've pushed it. Hydroxyzine is less myorelaxant but more cognitively relaxing in my opinion, but I've yet to notice any other major differences between ~225mg of hydroxyzine to ~750mg of carisoprodol. I doubt I could distinguish them in a blind study, outside of hydroxyzine lasting maybe 1.5-2 hours longer, and coming on in a more gentle way. Soma kind of hits like a bus.

Soma definitely hits like a bus. That's part of why I like it lol. Soma is fantastic stuff. I honestly prefer it to damn near any opioid I've tried except for maybe Heroin and high dose morphine. I'll have to try hydroxyzine in those doses. I havent pushed it past 100mg yet.

Meth and acid sure are fun together, I've used meth maybe 50-ish times total in my life, for sure less than 100, always in the form of counterfeit Adderall. First time I was 15 and just thought "damn, that Adderall lasted a REALLY long time". I've mixed LSD, 2C-B, allylescaline, and miprocin with NEP, amphetamine, methamphetamine, and 4F-MPH personally, each possible cross of those two groups, and I fucking adore it personally. Soma, floribut, tapentadol, 7-OH-mitragynine, mitragynine, tianeptine, bromazolam, etizolam, alprazolam, diazepam, bromonordiazepam, phenazolam, flualprazolam, promethazine and tizanidine (intranasal strictly) are all great in mixed with psychedelics, but the more GABA heavy you go, the more you need to increase the psychedelic dose to have equivalent effects given GABA doesn't kill a trip but it can mute certain aspects of it. If 3 tabs of acid is the desired experience along a milligram of flualp, you'll need 4-6 tabs of acid, depending on the situation. I love mixes like these as being sort of "vibe shifted", acid and meth is great for cleaning, acid and soma is great for sex, acid and etizolam is great for meditating, all just different tools for different situations for my personal neurochemistry. 2C-B and allylescaline are gentle mixes, miprocin can be a little much if the come-up overlaps with others but it's still nice for me, I just wish mip lasted longer because taking it with meth is amazing, but once the mip wears off it gets pretty boring.

Goes to show how different neurochemistry works and how everyone reacts differently. I kinda wish that I reacted well to meth + psychedelics because on ppaper it sounds super fun. I think that part of it is getting the dose right but also of course your mindset going into it. Usually when I'm stimulants, I want to keep tweaking. I don't want to think about life more than I have to. I suppose that psychedelics aren't what I'm looking for when tweaking as stimulants have always beenn my "escape" drug. When I'm fed up with life, I turn to stimulants. I did enjoy Etizolam and DPT. Psychedelics and benzos can be pretty fun , if fun is what you're going for. I miss etizolam. That stuff was a perfect benzo. Acid and Soma for sex sounds very interesting. I mean either of them alone sound interesting, let alone mixed. I can't imagine miprocin with meth. That sounds horrible to me but I'm glad that you're able to enjoy it. Though I took a press one time that was Miprocin and MDMA in unknown dosages and when it started kicking in might have been the best I've ever felt in my life.

Allylescaline and 2C-B are a beautiful combination, allylescaline alongside 3-HO-PCP (orally) , LSD (eyedrops) and 2C-B produced one of my favorite trips of the last many years. It's shocking how effective allylescaline is intranasally and vaporized, it's wild that more people don't use those RoAs for it imo. Allylescaline alongside DOB was neat, it had seemingly a mild synergy with tapentadol, and it seems to cut through benzos very effectively like 2C-B or DOM, as opposed to the psychedelics more easily overshadowed like tryptamines, lysergamides, DOB and DOC.

I'm very excited to get more arylcyclohexylamines so that I can trip some more. I've become accustomed to taking a dissociative and then dropping a psychedelic when it begins kicking in. NB 5-MeO-Mipt might be cool with a dissociative. You have me wanting to try other RoAs for Allyl. Does snorting it hurt? How long until it peaks when snorted? I Really enjoyed it orally but the 2 hours until it kicked in and like 3 or 4 hours to peak was a bit much. Makes redosing imposssible, so vaping or snorting would be a fantastic alternative. I have to get an oil burneer.

I've never seen anyone react poorly to PCP either, and I've administered it to a good handful of people, 3-MeO-PCP and 3-HO-PCP specifically. One person though consumed amphetamine that we did not know was tainted with 3-HO-PCP, and that was a rough drive for him but he made it just fine.

God, 3-MeO-PCP might be my favorite drug of all-time. I really miss the days of $15 grams of that stuff. I can see how unknowingly taking speed tainted with 3-ho-pcp would be a rough ride. 3-MeO-PCP + Methamphetamine = God Mode. Probably my favorite combo and all my friends that I was using meth with at the time absolutely loved the combination as well.



To keep with tthe topic of this thread:
Coming down from my 450mg Bupropion + 1.4 grams of phenibut + tons of caffeine.

Just took 50mg of Hydroxyzine

Gonna reply to one other person then shower, take my Prazosin and Mirtazapine and try to knock out. Took me like an hour to type this out and aam now behind schedule on my nightly wind down. Gotta be up early

 

[speed-limper]

It's honestly amazing that your wild psychedelic use has seemingly led to your brain healing lesions. I guess dissociatives dont cause Olney's lesions, otherwise you'd probably have some after your year of going through an ounce of arylcyclohexylamines.
It's good to keep in mind the fact that you absorb things differently than most folks. Myself and I'm pretty sure just about everyone else are sometimes bewildered when you describe what your week contained and the doses consumed.


I've never heard of the getting the vapors effect from bupropion withdrawal. I don't doubt it but it seems like an extreme reaction. I do notice bupropion withdrawal pretty immediately. The first symptom is an absolutely inability to focus. The second that withdrawal hits my mind just starts wandering and I can't get it centered and focused. It's similar to my regular ADHD symptoms but a bit more extreme.

Speaking of prazosin, tonight will be the 5th night. Great for PTSD, but its been giving me a "on the tip of my tongue" effect that is very, very frustrating. I'll go to say or type a word, I have it in my mind, but the second that I need to access it, it disappears.

I don't get the dreamy effect myself. "Bupropion acutely as a stimulant more noticeable than caffeine, modafinil or fladrafinil, but less noticeable than methylphenidate, amphetamine, methamphetamine, or NEP." is spot on. I'm prescribed 300mg of bupropion a day. Initially it changed my life. I haven't been able to focus for years. I still get some benefit but its not as effective. Have been trying 450mg out until my doctor appointment. I really need dopaminergic stimulant, I think. Bupropion helps my focus somewhat, but I still really struggle with procrastination as well as "big picture" sort of planning and getting in motion. I have found that 300mg-450mg bupropion XL and/or SR + 1.4g of Phenibut + 200mg or more of caffeine effects me kind of like adderall, without the euphoria or crash. I'm a bit more chatty and my anxiety is lowered (amphetamines lower my anxiety significantly), I'm able to focus a bit more easily on stuff tasks that I typically find mundane (though I'm not able to absorb myself in things that I'm not interested in), I fing myself giving long ass replies when texting and also results in me posting long comments and replies on BL (like this current on, for example).


It's funny, I've been feeling ready to get back into skateboarding since starting wellbutrin and frequently doing the combo I talked about above. I've also been dreaming of it quite often, even more so with the prazosin. Find myself daydreaming about skateboarding a lot. I need skate shoes as thats the only thing holding me back. I plan to get them soon. Unfortunately, bupropion doesn't give me the ability to focus on cleaning my room or doing chores aggresively to get them over with like a traditional stimulant would. I like having a clean room but I can't focus for more than 2 minutes when trying to clean it, so it never stays clean.


I wish you luck in getting the MPH. Let me know how that goes! I'll eventually request the same from my doctor, but he's aware of my past stimulant addiction, so I have to get through gunfacine and atomoxitine first before those become a possible option, and even then I'm unsure. He's a really good Doc so I think he'd be willing to give me like a 2 week trial and see if I can manage it without fucking up. 450mg Bupropion and MPH on top seems likee a lot, but I suppose that you do have the malabsorption issue. That combo would have me vibrating from the inside out. I know that some people react very well to the Wellbutrin/Stimulant combo. I imagine that the wellbutrin would temper some of the addictive qualities of traditional stimulant treatments.

I agree that Hydroxyzine is slept on a bit. At least in the community. Doctors seem quick to recommend it, in my opinion. Gabapentin seems to be passed out like candy around here. They are both fantastic meds and are great additions to the tool box. Gabapentin = Hydroxyzine effectively lowers my anxiety without making me foggy or inebriating me.

And it's my pleasure! I'm glad that I could add something to the conversation.


Soma definitely hits like a bus. That's part of why I like it lol. Soma is fantastic stuff. I honestly prefer it to damn near any opioid I've tried except for maybe Heroin and high dose morphine. I'll have to try hydroxyzine in those doses. I havent pushed it past 100mg yet.


Goes to show how different neurochemistry works and how everyone reacts differently. I kinda wish that I reacted well to meth + psychedelics because on ppaper it sounds super fun. I think that part of it is getting the dose right but also of course your mindset going into it. Usually when I'm stimulants, I want to keep tweaking. I don't want to think about life more than I have to. I suppose that psychedelics aren't what I'm looking for when tweaking as stimulants have always beenn my "escape" drug. When I'm fed up with life, I turn to stimulants. I did enjoy Etizolam and DPT. Psychedelics and benzos can be pretty fun , if fun is what you're going for. I miss etizolam. That stuff was a perfect benzo. Acid and Soma for sex sounds very interesting. I mean either of them alone sound interesting, let alone mixed. I can't imagine miprocin with meth. That sounds horrible to me but I'm glad that you're able to enjoy it. Though I took a press one time that was Miprocin and MDMA in unknown dosages and when it started kicking in might have been the best I've ever felt in my life.


I'm very excited to get more arylcyclohexylamines so that I can trip some more. I've become accustomed to taking a dissociative and then dropping a psychedelic when it begins kicking in. NB 5-MeO-Mipt might be cool with a dissociative. You have me wanting to try other RoAs for Allyl. Does snorting it hurt? How long until it peaks when snorted? I Really enjoyed it orally but the 2 hours until it kicked in and like 3 or 4 hours to peak was a bit much. Makes redosing imposssible, so vaping or snorting would be a fantastic alternative. I have to get an oil burneer.


God, 3-MeO-PCP might be my favorite drug of all-time. I really miss the days of $15 grams of that stuff. I can see how unknowingly taking speed tainted with 3-ho-pcp would be a rough ride. 3-MeO-PCP + Methamphetamine = God Mode. Probably my favorite combo and all my friends that I was using meth with at the time absolutely loved the combination as well.



To keep with tthe topic of this thread:
Coming down from my 450mg Bupropion + 1.4 grams of phenibut + tons of caffeine.

Just took 50mg of Hydroxyzine

Gonna reply to one other person then shower, take my Prazosin and Mirtazapine and try to knock out. Took me like an hour to type this out and aam now behind schedule on my nightly wind down. Gotta be up early

I have a severe clubfoot, two surgeries on it, fused bones, co pe of inches shorter than the other leg. The cyclobenzeprine makes my back spasms manageable and gives me a nice little mood boost, but that may be true pain relief. The buspar is because of a GAD diagnosis and me turning down klonopin. I suspect it's from untreated ADHD and my schizophrenia diagnosis. I didn't want to have the benzo withdrawals again, and buspar works amazingly for me truthfully.

I feel a lot of my drug use and periods of abuse stem from self medicating. I like drugs, but I like to have a calm mind and not painful body parts

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yo sounds like such a mix !
I never used cyclizine, I am interested, how is it compared to hydroxyzine ?
Also what do you gain from so much loperamide ? I used it once, 2mg, couldn't shit for a week !

I just had some red kratom like 5 grams, 150mg pregabaline and some tea. Just chilling

A week?!? We you already really constipated when you took it?
I took that dose because I'd taken the last of the Morphine I had during the day, so took the Loperamide in the evening to stave off withdrawal during the next and during the next day (worked really well, first time in ages I didn't wake up in withdrawal from not having opioids for however many hours I slept.

I've only taken Hydroxyzine once and when I did, it was at the same time as I had Dihydrocodeine, Methadone, Weed and Alcohol, so I can't really compare them.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Yo sounds like such a mix !
I never used cyclizine, I am interested, how is it compared to hydroxyzine ?
Also what do you gain from so much loperamide ? I used it once, 2mg, couldn't shit for a week !

I just had some red kratom like 5 grams, 150mg pregabaline and some tea. Just chilling

Oh and I actually didn't become constipated, even from that much Loperamide. I think I pooped once or twice a day in the couple days after taking that dose, which is less than usual, but definitely within the "normal" (ie non-constipated) range.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

A week?!? We you already really constipated when you took it?
I took that dose because I'd taken the last of the Morphine I had during the day, so took the Loperamide in the evening to stave off withdrawal during the next and during the next day (worked really well, first time in ages I didn't wake up in withdrawal from not having opioids for however many hours I slept.

I've only taken Hydroxyzine once and when I did, it was at the same time as I had Dihydrocodeine, Methadone, Weed and Alcohol, so I can't really compare them.

Have to agree, As i have also used both as potentiating agent and found cyclizine for the win.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

Oh and I actually didn't become constipated, even from that much Loperamide. I think I pooped once or twice a day in the couple days after taking that dose, which is less than usual, but definitely within the "normal" (ie non-constipated) range.

This is weird when it comes to my body, when I was on MS Contin 200mg a day I would still be regular, the dame with 1mg subutex or less or even my current 20mg a day dose of methadone, struggle with no constipation and I am regular every morning. No complaints believe me. Rather that then not having a shot for a week and then having to go through shitty ways to clean out so to speak.

 

[Coffeeshroom]

A week?!? We you already really constipated when you took it?
I took that dose because I'd taken the last of the Morphine I had during the day, so took the Loperamide in the evening to stave off withdrawal during the next and during the next day (worked really well, first time in ages I didn't wake up in withdrawal from not having opioids for however many hours I slept.

I've only taken Hydroxyzine once and when I did, it was at the same time as I had Dihydrocodeine, Methadone, Weed and Alcohol, so I can't really compare them.

Sorry just to clarify or get a better picture when you took hydroxyzine it was with a combo of either DHC or methadone or them comb8ned with weed and alcohol. Just trying to get a clear picture.

Thank you

 

[Esperighanto]

Speaking of prazosin, tonight will be the 5th night. Great for PTSD, but its been giving me a "on the tip of my tongue" effect that is very, very frustrating. I'll go to say or type a word, I have it in my mind, but the second that I need to access it, it disappears.

I still have a shitton of prazosin, I might try dosing it in 250ug intervals some time to see if it's useful in any way. How would you say the timeline of come-up, peak, and the fading of effects goes for you?

I fing myself giving long ass replies when texting and also results in me posting long comments and replies on BL (like this current on, for example).

Yeah I'm probably close to record length for some posts on here, most are bupropion fueled. The ratio of typos to non-typos directly correlated to my ketamine usage hahaha.

Wellbutrin/Stim

I found bupropion alongside 4F-MPH to be my absolute favorite stim combo so far, it's like the refined, synthetic variant of ephedra sinica w/ coca tea, like comparing LSD to LSA.

I can't imagine miprocin with meth. That sounds horrible to me but I'm glad that you're able to enjoy it. Though I took a press one time that was Miprocin and MDMA in unknown dosages and when it started kicking in might have been the best I've ever felt in my life.

Mip is super brutal in the come-up, but if you time the come-ups of mip and anything else not to align, you're normally good to go. Personally though I just take it to the head, one of my most profound trips ever was 25mg each of DOM and 2C-B, 40mg of miprocin and I smoked something like an eighth of a gram of 3-MeO-PCP via dippers I'd made. This was near the period of time where I drank a vial of acid containing 400-600 tabs worth of LSD, so I was going through a lot of transformative shit around then.

You have me wanting to try other RoAs for Allyl. Does snorting it hurt? How long until it peaks when snorted? I Really enjoyed it orally but the 2 hours until it kicked in and like 3 or 4 hours to peak was a bit much. Makes redosing imposssible, so vaping or snorting would be a fantastic alternative. I have to get an oil burneer.

Insufflating allylescaline hurts ~90% as much as 2C-B, far more than meth or molly and maybe an equal amount to mescaline, DOM, and a little more than DOC. All phenethylamines generally hurt, but the more shit you hang off the 2-5 positions, the more it seems to hurt, whereas alpha methyl or N-ethyl substitutions don't really impact the pain upon being insufflated in my experience. Allylescaline redoses beautifully as long as you're still tripping, one of the most pivotal trips I've ever had involving any phenethylamines was 80mg of allylescaline, 7-ish hours later chased with, iirc, another 60mg. The 60 hit like I had no tolerance at all, both doses were orally administered, and there were some eyeballed lines of 2C-B about halfway between the oral doses. This was of equal intensity to about 100mg of 2C-B, it had me repeatedly passing out, hitting the floor (or countertop) like a ragdoll as fractal entities behind my eyelids showed me scenes they claimed were parts of my future, just mundane shit like cooking and vacuuming. Also they showed me memories of my past, highlighting little details I overlooked, like the loving glance in someone's eye, or the moment that some dyadic social connection changed permanently in some way or another. It's a very pro-socializing thing, and it reminded me a ton of my first time with mescaline acetate, which was a full spectrum extract, I think it was ~385mg?

God, 3-MeO-PCP might be my favorite drug of all-time. I really miss the days of $15 grams of that stuff. I can see how unknowingly taking speed tainted with 3-ho-pcp would be a rough ride. 3-MeO-PCP + Methamphetamine = God Mode. Probably my favorite combo and all my friends that I was using meth with at the time absolutely loved the combination as well.

$15 Grams of 3-MeO-PCP have been brought up before and I remembered my response, about how it might've ruined my life hahaha. Ice and 3-MeO-PCP would be a banging combo, I was mixing it with NEP and eurospeed pretty often, occasionally 4F-MPH or ephedrine, but something about 3-MeO-PCP and NEP really get along nicely, as well as with eurospeed for me.

OT: Tonight I decided to crack open a jar of coca tincture that I made, foolishly, by steeping an unknown amount of coca leaf matter in lab grade ethanol. There's maybe 70-100g of leaf matter in here, and I got about half of the ethanol out. Put it in a 1.25L bottle of Coca Cola to make some OG coca cola. Normally I'd do this with an aqueous extraction, but since I have this tincture laying around, fuck it, might as well discover what coca(ethylene) cola is like. Besides that, caffeine, HHC dabbed, and MDMB-4en-PINACA smoked as stamps shoved in the tip of a cigarillo are all going on tonight. Going to try to get some shit done but the productivity is not quite flowing tonight.`

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

Have to agree, As i have also used both as potentiating agent and found cyclizine for the win.

Awesome; potentiating opioids is the whole reason I blagged my way to a prescription [IDK about other places, but it's a Prescription Only Medication here] for Cyclizine in the first place. I think after reading Trainspotting.

 

[ChemicallyEnhanced]

This is weird when it comes to my body, when I was on MS Contin 200mg a day I would still be regular, the dame with 1mg subutex or less or even my current 20mg a day dose of methadone, struggle with no constipation and I am regular every morning. No complaints believe me. Rather that then not having a shot for a week and then having to go through shitty ways to clean out so to speak.

I have a very rare (less than 1 in 10,000 I believe or maybe it's less than 1 in 100,000) side effect where opioids give me mild diarrhoea, rather than constipation. Mostly Codeine. When I was on that, I could poop like 12 times a day or more. I'm just on Morphine now and that either doesn't affect me either way or gives me VERY mild diarrhoea. I probably poop like 3-4 times a day.