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How easy is PSYSICAL heroin addiction?
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anfalicious
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I used socially, every weekend for 2 months. I realised where it was heading and took myself away from the people who were using. I didnt have a problem with kicking it, but I know how fucking good it is so I will never IV again.
The thing is, you could be one of the people who use it on a friday nite, weekly for 20 years, or you could be one of the ones who get hooked instantly. I think thats more of a psychological addiction, as opposed to physical.
In regards to smoking heroin. It's actually less addictive than smokes, the problem is its way too easy to move from smoking to jacking.
When people ask me about heroin, I say this: It's good, it's really fucking good, it's the best drug on the planet, therefore, stay well clear of it
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The thing is, you could be one of the people who use it on a friday nite, weekly for 20 years, or you could be one of the ones who get hooked instantly. I think thats more of a psychological addiction, as opposed to physical.
In regards to smoking heroin. It's actually less addictive than smokes, the problem is its way too easy to move from smoking to jacking.
When people ask me about heroin, I say this: It's good, it's really fucking good, it's the best drug on the planet, therefore, stay well clear of it
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Samadhi
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You bring up excellent points anfalicious...
THat is one of the biggest problems with heroin...the drug can make someone feel absolutely amazing...and i believe, that in alot of cases (from personal experience) that the worse you feel when you are straight, the better you'll feel when you have heroin...ie, the more pressures that you have in life, if you have family problems, personal problems, trauma, etc etc. It also comes down to the individual
There are SO many factors to look at when discussing heroin addiction...ie, i've known people who don't have alot of problems, but have been addicted to heroin for 10 years...got hooked instantly. I've known people who have problems in their lives most dire, have tried heroin, used for a few weeks then stopped. Psychological addiction leads to physical addiction. I've seen people in the throwes of some of the worst cravings...whole body is cramping up, screaming in pain, unable to move...i never want to see it again. I've also seen someone die from an overdose...spoke to him 5 minutes previously, walked out, he got his shot, walked back in, turned blue and collapsed. Ambos couldn't help him. NEVER want to see that again
Some people take heroin, because for an hour or 2, their lives are "cool". They were raped as children, they've lost both their parents, mum or dad is an alcoholic...heroin takes the pain away.
So, depending on the person, yes heroin is a VERY addictive drug.
These are only my views, based on my experience with the drug...some may feel differently, but oh well. I have no links to back this up, just experience.
THat is one of the biggest problems with heroin...the drug can make someone feel absolutely amazing...and i believe, that in alot of cases (from personal experience) that the worse you feel when you are straight, the better you'll feel when you have heroin...ie, the more pressures that you have in life, if you have family problems, personal problems, trauma, etc etc. It also comes down to the individual
...this is very true also. But i wonder, if that person who has it on a friday night, couldn't get it on a friday night anymore...how would they be?
There are SO many factors to look at when discussing heroin addiction...ie, i've known people who don't have alot of problems, but have been addicted to heroin for 10 years...got hooked instantly. I've known people who have problems in their lives most dire, have tried heroin, used for a few weeks then stopped. Psychological addiction leads to physical addiction. I've seen people in the throwes of some of the worst cravings...whole body is cramping up, screaming in pain, unable to move...i never want to see it again. I've also seen someone die from an overdose...spoke to him 5 minutes previously, walked out, he got his shot, walked back in, turned blue and collapsed. Ambos couldn't help him. NEVER want to see that again
Some people take heroin, because for an hour or 2, their lives are "cool". They were raped as children, they've lost both their parents, mum or dad is an alcoholic...heroin takes the pain away.
So, depending on the person, yes heroin is a VERY addictive drug.
These are only my views, based on my experience with the drug...some may feel differently, but oh well. I have no links to back this up, just experience.
I Just thought I'd mention that a psychological addiction to heroin almost invariably leads to a physical dependance. I have a friend who used about once very 2 weeks and for ages she said she was not addicted, but after 6 months, she finally admitted that she needed it. Now she is off it, but everytime she has any other drug she immediately compares it to hammer.
I personally think that taking a drug that takes the pleasure out of all other drugs is kind of pointless. We would all be better off enjoying a variety of different, less harmful drugs.
DB out
I personally think that taking a drug that takes the pleasure out of all other drugs is kind of pointless. We would all be better off enjoying a variety of different, less harmful drugs.
DB out
anfalicious
Bluelighter
This leads on another road, the fun one of "what is addiction". I know that it's a dependance on a substance, but what do you people think is a harmful addiction?
Personally, I think it's one that affects your 9-5 mon-fri life. What I mean by this is: I know plenty of people that go out every weekend, drop every weekend, and probably wouldn't have anywhere near as good a time if they weren't dropping. However, come monday morning, they're in their suit, off to their job. Their drug use only affects their disposable income, and in no way harms anyone. They are probably clinically addicted, but is this really that bad? In some cases the thought of the weekend is a major thing that gets them through the week.
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Munchee
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I think as soon as you are 'addicted' it becomes a harmful situation. As far as I'm concerned there is no such thing as an unharmful addiction, if you cannot get by without the use of a substance, then you are in a harmful situation. The fact that you are reliant on a substance to give you pleasure rather than being able to obtain it in a natural way in my opinion means you are addicted and if this effects you physically, then you are in a very bad situation. Even if they are not harming anyone else they are still harming themself, whether they know it or not.
BUMPMEK
Bluelighter
Ok, so let me get this correct! I know a fair few people (not friends, associates) who smoke heroin, is this as addictive as shooting it up? I've heard alot of people say the first time you shoot it up, it's got ya by the balls? Is there such a thing as trying it once and not getting addicted?
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What's the difference between fantasy and reality?
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Samadhi
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don't know about IV (i'm scared of needles) but you can smoke it once or twice without getting hooked...i'm not advocating it, just stating a fact. I guess it all depends on how strong ones willpower is...you won't be physically addicted, but psychologically you may say..."hey, that was good, i might have one more snow cone or hit"...then the next time comes round and you say that again, and again...comes down to the individual
anfalicious
Bluelighter
smoking H is actually less physically addictive than cigarettes.
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BigTrancer
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Do you have any evidence to support that, anafalicious?
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Do you have any evidence to support that, anafalicious?
SupaspeeD
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Just some Q's - for those that have tried H, what method, how frequently, and why did you or haven't you stopped?
Would you recommend certain types to try the drug to experience it and what type (if they think they could handle it) or recommend against everyone trying it?
Finally - are there any other opiates you would recommend over H or under H? For example opium, oxycontin, morphine etc.
This is a great thread i'm glad it got bumped. Personally, i might try H some day, i do tend to have an addictive personality, but I like to try things for myself.
Would you recommend certain types to try the drug to experience it and what type (if they think they could handle it) or recommend against everyone trying it?
Finally - are there any other opiates you would recommend over H or under H? For example opium, oxycontin, morphine etc.
This is a great thread i'm glad it got bumped. Personally, i might try H some day, i do tend to have an addictive personality, but I like to try things for myself.
BUMPMEK
Bluelighter
Personally i too have always wondered about this drug and wanted to try it, maybe under some safe hands i might, but maybe when i got down to it, i couldn't. I think deep down everyone is curious about trying the drug and i'm sure many don't! It's like a taboo, not talked about, people relate it to dirty, nasty junkies etc.... which is not true in all cases. I remember watching Trainspotting for the very first time, not that long ago, i got butterflies watching it. I would like to try it just once, but that one time could get me by the balls and hook me on it, which i do not want to happen! I think if anyone here has tryed it and can inform us on it, pls don't be afraid to speak up.....
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What's the difference between fantasy and reality?
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What's the difference between fantasy and reality?
anfalicious
Bluelighter
BigTrancer, I can't give you a link or anything, so it will stay as purely hearsay... I did read it in a journal somewhere a few years back.
However, having said that, statistics can be modified to say pretty much everything 48% of people know that
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Everyone knows cool hit it's peak in 1974.
However, having said that, statistics can be modified to say pretty much everything 48% of people know that
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Everyone knows cool hit it's peak in 1974.
I was pleased to see this thread bumped, until I realised that I misspelt the title all those months ago... Duh! I'll blame that on frequent ecstasy use (ha ha).
I totally agree that there can be no hard and fast rule when it comes to heroin addiction. It comes down to the individual, their personality and their circumstances. I am still interested in the medical aspect of addiction... how long is it before someone's body makes the choice to administer the drug for them? Is addiction in some way genetic? etc etc.
I think Anfalicious means that smoking heroin is less addictive than smoking cigarettes in the sense that nicotine is initially more *physically* addictive but heroin poses the far greater risk of *psychological* addiction... which someone quite rightly said invariably leads to physical addiction.
My advice to anyone curious or open to trying heroin is to be very careful. Start with a small dose and have a little more once secure with the immediate effects. Many people who try heroin are overcome with nausea, but this can usually be countered by having a very samll amount to begin with.
Don't pack a large cone if you decide to smoke it with pot.
Would I encourage anyone with a self-confessed 'addictive personality' to try H? No. Only you know yourself, and if you believe you may have the propensity to become an addict is it really worth the risk? You might even end up vomitting and hating the experience.
I totally agree that there can be no hard and fast rule when it comes to heroin addiction. It comes down to the individual, their personality and their circumstances. I am still interested in the medical aspect of addiction... how long is it before someone's body makes the choice to administer the drug for them? Is addiction in some way genetic? etc etc.
I think Anfalicious means that smoking heroin is less addictive than smoking cigarettes in the sense that nicotine is initially more *physically* addictive but heroin poses the far greater risk of *psychological* addiction... which someone quite rightly said invariably leads to physical addiction.
My advice to anyone curious or open to trying heroin is to be very careful. Start with a small dose and have a little more once secure with the immediate effects. Many people who try heroin are overcome with nausea, but this can usually be countered by having a very samll amount to begin with.
Don't pack a large cone if you decide to smoke it with pot.
Would I encourage anyone with a self-confessed 'addictive personality' to try H? No. Only you know yourself, and if you believe you may have the propensity to become an addict is it really worth the risk? You might even end up vomitting and hating the experience.