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Bupe How does suboxone affect your tolerance? please help?

skitten9

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quick question here. Does going on suboxone for a few days lower your opiate tolerance or raise it?

example: if i took .5 as a suboxone dose for the past couple days (keeping away w/d) would i be able to get high after? how long after last suboxone dose? and if sub dose is so small would my tolerance be affected and in what way? i wouldnt want to do the same amount of H snorted and do too much and be sorry later or waste it.

thanks in advance let me know.
 
.5 as in .5mgs? It shouldn't be hard to break through that.
A few days of a small amount of Sub probably has little to no effect on your tolerance. It might drop slightly just cause you do a low dose and you've been away for a few days. Slightly. I wouldn't go doing extra or less. I guess you could start with a little less if you're nervous. IMO, Your typical dose will probably be about right.
I was on a low dose for a while. 4mgs a day. It was fairly easy to break through. There were a handful of times I ended up with bags 2-3 hours after I had taken a 2mg dose of Sub. I still got high and my tolerance was fairly significant.
Every once in a while I had to do a shot and then another shot, but rarely.
Other people I know have a hard time breaking through. But, they're usually on a higher dose.
I thought you were kicking? Just a break?
 
IM TRYING, i keep getting cravings. the boredom is a KILLER. i try staying busy and then im alone at my apt and start getting anxiety and want to get high, cause nothing is boring if your high, ya know. i haven't gotten anything yet but i was thinking about it. hopefully i change my mind and my willpower will be stronger tomorrow. but yeah so far this is what my suboxone doseage looks like:
2mg monday 10am
1mg monday 10pm
1mg tuesday 8am
.5mg wendsday 1am
.5mg thursday 1am
so my last dose so far has been about 24 hours ago.

and so far for w/d just some body aches/back ache. nothing crazy yet
 
I'm not judging, just wondering cause I think I mentioned in the other thread that it seems like you're at the "get out while you can" stage.

I'm glad to hear you've been able to keep your sub dose so low. I would not expect any kind of WD monster around the corner. If you were to just stop with the sub you'd probably be fine.
Boredom can be a killer. Find anything to occupy your time. Go for a walk. Go see a movie, even if you're alone. Something.
Trust me.... If you stay sitting around a apartment by yourself, the urge to feel good will be too much.
Given the choice between sitting there and watching some stupid show and sitting there and watching some stupid show high, I'd take the high option 99 time out of 100. Gotta avoid boredom if you wanna kick it.
 
oh really? that actually helped me the last few days thinking of "get out while i can", so thank you for that!

any other info/experience of any kind with suboxone and tolerance please share im interested as im sure many other readers will be.
 
I'm glad it helped/is helping.
I can tell you more about my experience with both if you like. I guess the question would have to be a bit more specific as to what you'd like to know.
 
have you ever brought down your tolerance? if so, how long did it take and were you on maintenance or cold turkey? when you did your opiate of choice did you do more or less than you normally do? and did you feel it or waste it (if you were on maintenance not long before) etc.
 
Your PM box is full.....
It depends on how strong the bags are, to a degree. One bag, even in my area where most shit comes from NYC/NJ, is still a pretty low dose.
With that said, if it usually gets you high, then it should get you high. You took, what .5 today? That's pretty much nada.
If you're worried and have the cash, maybe get a extra bag. If you don't feel quite as high, maybe, MAYBE, do another quarter or so. Start small no matter what.
But, I really don't think the Sub will affect things. Should be fine.
 
and so far for w/d just some body aches/back ache. nothing crazy yet

'yet'

wait till you start hallucinating due to the fact you can't sleep because your body is a block of ice


Careful playing around with other opiates like suboxone. I have a friend who had a few years of casual heroin use, with slight withdrawals. He brought suboxone into the equation, now he is a complete opiate addict and has been in a 'hole' for many years. It didn't work for him (His heroin use would have more than likely led to addiction - if it havent already - anyway)

I am not preaching, more warning you and telling you it from my point of view, which is the only thing I can do, in hope to help you:

Personally I found it easy to break through when using suboxone even on 12mgs; each to their own.
You know it builds in your system? I found suboxone withdrawls to be hellish even when down to.5mg after starting on 18mgs and being on it close to a year after 5 years of heroin use (what a waste of time!).

In my view you have 2 options.

1. Harm reduction (this is the path the professionals will probably take - which doesn't necessary mean it to be correct): Get on a real suboxone script and start taking 12-16mgs (or a high dose or what the professionals suggest). This will hopefully kill the boredom and you wont use Heroin (a suboxone high can be speedier than heroin and as you know the doses / strength it puts you back in control and you can be more effective as a human being - even though the true opiate addict is not getting 'high' on opiates any more, I find there is an element or part of that person, that still kind of does). Also it might be an incentive not to use as it might block the heroin, so what's the point in using? Down side you will have to one day come off suboxone - but at least you're not using Heroin

(I'm guessing you probably think the idea of 'not using heroin', to be even a 'good' option, I feel / fear you are not ready to stop your heroin use yet. You are still probably at the stage where you are entertaining fantasies of control and the possibility of a life with heroin use. 'I'll only use it on the weekends', 'one bag wont hurt', 'this time it is different' etc. Hopefully it will not take you many years to realize this is not a viable option or something you can control. You do know what once you cross the line and become 'addicted' you can't go back to casual use, it really is black and white)


2. Opiate free: If i were you I would bring your usage down to .5
then wait a day and take .5 again then wait another day opiate free and do another .5 (or less) then wait 2 days opiate free then 3 days then 4 etc. That way you will have less discomfort

(I'm not sure I should tell you this, if you don't already know, but snorting suboxone makes it 'stronger' / more effective. This can be used to your advantage. When you are down to low dosages like .5 its hard to go lower as the pills are too small to break up. However, you could snort a tiny, tiny amount, thus bringing your dosage down even lower and making the withdrawls even less.)

Sounds like boredom, is one of your triggers, that and probably having money in your pocket (I'm guessing), among others. Learn your triggers, write them down, it can help, be truthful with yourself

Get out while you can. Relocate and get help or radically change your life, for example: go volunteer in another country at something you will find challenging and enjoyable, use your imagination (becoming another zombie heroin addict is so unimaginative, predictable and boring) - at least delete your dealer's phone number.

Good luck
 
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Relocating can help but is by no means a gurantee. I tried to run away from my problems to get clean once, but before I knew it I had found opiates over 1000 miles from home and soon got in really bad again. I moved back home to get clean and I couldn't have done it anywhere else personally. I have since relapsed but I don't think I would have had any clean time if I didn't have loved ones around me.

As far as the suboxone, while you don't "need" the high doses a lot of doctors prescribe, it can be really beneficial in trying to stay clean. I am scripted 24mg a day and in the beginning I took it all, and knowing I needed several days to a week to even be able to feel something should I relapse was a comfort. It eliminates the possibility of hasty decisions. The first dozen or so times I relapsed I didn't feel a damn thing even a couple days without suboxone. The downside is you'll eventually have to get off bupe too.
 
There's no need for probably 90% of opiate addicts to take 24mg. That's an absurdly high dose. I was also perscibed Suboxone... most I ever needed was about 4mg. I ended up doing a slow taper. I think I got down to 0.2mg or so before I jumped off but since I was using the Suboxone daily for 4-6 months even with that low dose my withdrawals still lasted almost 2 weeks. If you start jumping up to those super high doses of Suboxone you're just going to make it harder for you to eventually get off of them. Only advantage to taking higher doses is that it'll block you from using other opiates... not worth it IMO but even if that's your goal 4-8mg should still provide a nice blocking effect. The best thing you can do from my experience is take the MINIMUM you need to avoid withdrawals and no more. If you have a tolerance/addiction, Suboxone isn't going to get you high/buzzed no matter how much you take so if you take more than you need you'll just raise your tolerance and make your withdrawals way worse when you decide to taper off.
 
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