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How does psychedelia mould into your own philosophy?

P A said:
That's pretty much what I meant. You know, (sub-)threshold doses at which your boss's head doesn't appear to be turning inside out while the computer's monitor begins to send you nasty vibrations hinting of future malice.
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But I was so sub threshold that I had no psychedelia at all. I believe the thread was about tripping nuts, not taking so little you hardly feel it.

But yes, I suppose you are correct that sub psychedelic doses of psychedelics may perk one up akin to ~5~mg of amphetamine.
 
I find mixing things up/having access to multiple ways of experience is best for what one goes for with this drug use. I often like/want to combine these types of drugs with other experiences... concerts. People use at festivals. Camping.

Entertainment.

"Psychedelic"- I have associated it with something I recognize as naturally occurring. Synchronicity. The psychedelic experience is rather non-alien to me.
 
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Psychedelics make me stupid, incoherent, and precipitate schizoid thought processes and behavior. Psychedics are incredibly damaging to me, I will never use a psych again. While under the influence of a serotogenic psychedelic I feel paranoid, unable to concentrate, and my creativity plummets. Psychedelics are the worst thing I can imagine taking for an academic/intellectual activity. An opiod would be much more conducive to me being productive.
 
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Ontologically defining drug use has always perplexed me. What if I where to say that we fundamentally all take drugs for the same reason? There is no difference between recreational, spiritual, and medicinal use of a drug. These labels we put on why we use drugs are just to justify your own actions to yourself.
 
CrackAndScrabble said:
Ontologically defining drug use has always perplexed me. What if I where to say that we fundamentally all take drugs for the same reason? There is no difference between recreational, spiritual, and medicinal use of a drug. These labels we put on why we use drugs are just to justify your own actions to yourself.
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they're not only for justification, they are useful at times. though i agree, people take those distinctions way too far.
 
Is it possible, however, to be a logical positivist DMT smoker; I would argue that it is impossible to be anything else -- unless the person is an infrequent DMT smoker; or an ex-DMT smoker.
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I would argue that logical positivism has been thoroughly demonstrated to be internally inconsisten and is manifestly devoid of any theoretical virtue.
I prefer my idea to be clear and rational...not.suited to psychedelics.
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For me, psychedelics allow ideas to be examined with a new perspective, and so I think that they help to form more robust ideas about the world. Of course, this is very much not true for everyone, I am probably in the minority in that psychedelics have (eventually) made me more sceptical.
OP asked how people find psychedelics ACADEMICALLY. Given the subject I study, it's fundamental that I be able to do mathematics properly. Making psychedelics useless for me in that sense.
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That's a bit of a stretch, I certainly didn't interpret the OP as being about the pragmatics of using trips to study. Still, I have a couple of problems to raise- even if doing calculations is not helped by psychedelics, I have found that more abstract mathematics can be. I don't think I would understand formal logic in the way that I do without psychedelics. Tripping has helped me to recognise that models derived from the current theories that best predict empirical phenomena should not be thought of as absolute truth, and indeed to recognise how very far from certain truth we are and necessarily always will be. I would also like to point out that mathematics and physics are not the only fields of academic endeavour, far from it. You recognise, one imagines, the value of things like architecture and music and art, which are exactly the types of creative things that psychedelics are also used for? And also that, for instance, Francis Crick did find LSD to be useful in solving problems in the hard sciences? I have heard that some people use psychedelics to help them write code. Psychedelics can also be the object of research, for instance in neuroscience or psychiatry, which seems pretty worthwhile to me. My point is, really, that it seems you have interpreted the question in pretty narrow and uncharitable terms. Maybe some nice mescaline will help you see the issue in a new light? ;)
 
IamMe90 said:
I'm just curious what people think.

I'm wondering how academic the experience is for anyone anymore. I found as I first delved into psychedelia, the most overt justifications were academic, and the most familiar i came with the experience the less it had become academic or objective in any context and totally a psycho game.

What do you guys think? Do you really justify your drug use philosophically anymore? or have you given up?
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how "academic"? Not much at all, unsure how anyone could really see it as "academic", but i'm presuming you just meant that in some vague "how much one can learn" sense. So I'll just go on that.

when first trying psychedelics (~15y/o), they were not taken for any deep reasons like developing my ego or widening/changing perspectives. They were taken for kicks, as they are for most people getting into them, but that didn't change or negate their strong effects upon ego/perspective. Over time, that became as much of a reason as "for kicks". I won't say that it ever "surpassed being just for kicks", because that's misleading - the truth is that ego development / perspective shifting / etc ARE a kick! As time / experience increased, i learned how to trip in such a manner as to really enhance the ego/perspective aspects of it, and, while so much fun, this became what consider the most valuable aspect - it is the reason i advocate their (proper)usage.

So, yes, I "justify" it philosophically, although tbh i don't understand why you woudl suggest it needs justification in the 1st place. At this point, a session has much more profound effects on me, both because i've learned how to use for the goals i have, and, with experience*, comes the ability to take stronger dosages/combinations in a PROPER manner, increasing my results further.
(*i am referring to the experience gleaned from a decade of occasional usage, like generally a couple times annually for such purposes - times when just "partying" because someone has a ton of acid, those several sessions-in-a-month times don't give the same positive results, and are much closer to just "partying" imo)

But anyway i can get far more out of trips now that i know how to use them appropriately, and not only does that make it "philosophically justified", it makes me morally compelled. It would have been very nice to have had this grasp on using psychedelics, back when life would have allowed me to experiment more. Think i can be content with / find once annually to be sufficient tho, and yes i would/will do this indefinitely so long as lifestyle scenario allows it.

(and fwiw my favorite 'flavors' are lsd and mushrooms, usually stacked with mdma/mda. I find lower doses fun for going and fucking around, but they're not how i typically use them as i find 'heroic' dosages to be far more useful in such regards)
 
the "dissolving boundaries" is why i find lsd useful. i think i have a lot of unnecessary compartmentalization of emotions and experiences in my head, and an unfortunate belief that i have much less control over my own reality than i do. lsd breaks those down. the better i can break these down and control them myself, the more creative and fulfilling my life will be.
 
^definitely a big part of it for me (not as big as the other though). and i'd definitely say you don't even need "unnecessary compartmentalization" at all, it'll simply let you see shit from a bigger perspective, and in new ways, compared to your prior "baseline" (though such revelations are more difficult to integrate into something useful long-term. ie, i find the revelations quite fleeting compared to ego development)

(edit: and while we're on the subject, can anyone elaborate on the term "ego death"? I hear this spoken in relation to strong +++ trips and am confused by it.)
 
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