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Benzos How does Phenazepam stack up against Valium?

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This is a legit medical question... I've lost my health insurance and can't afford to pay 80$ to see my doc plus 30$ for the script of 5mg diazepam. My question is, how well does phenazepam compare to diazepam in terms of anxiety-treatment? And what dose is equal to 5mg valium?

NOTE: This isn't for getting high...
 
Go to the OD Directory, look at the very top, you will see the Bluelight Benzodiazepine Conversion Chart there.

Phenazepam works just as well for anxiety I am sure, it's not a bad benzo. I haven't used it myself, but keep in mind, individuals have very unique reactions to benzodiazepines.

Also keep in mind, you need to KNOW the purity, and not guesstimate. If you order it in a powder form, expect to have to 1) liquid measure, or 2) buy a very fine/accurate digital scale as well.

You can't get diazepam with a few refills? This way you won't have to go see the doctor often.
 
Okay, my biggest concern here is of course dosing. I want to do the liquid measuring, wondering what liquid to use (an alcohol?), and how would i know for sure that Xmg/XmL is true? Wouldn't it get uneven? Do i need to shake before usage or something? I don't want to put 20mg/20mL and 5mg sink to the bottom...
Maybe i just don't know much about suspension...

And, not to sound dickish, my problem isn't potency comparison, but rather its subjective effects... i've read about 1mg = 10mg diazepam, but i was wondering if the stuff is more hypnotic or something... I guess that is just one thing i've got to experience for myself :\

EDIT: My doctor is a crook, charges me 80$ per visit, no refills and i've asked him a lot. You think being a patient for over 8 months would merit refills... and when i had insurance he would lie and say they didn't accept even though the insurance company said they did...
 
Can you get a new doctor?

With phenazepam, I would say you want to dissolve a known amount and test it out based on 100% purity, and if it's not pure, it'll be underwhelming, instead of assuming its cut to a certain degree, and then have it not be that cut, and then have an overwhelming 3 day black out adventure. ;)

So if you have 1 gram, I would take 100mg or 10mg (whatever your scale is actually accurate at weighing out) and dissolve it into bacteriostatic water for injection (the benzyl alcohol will presreve it for 1 month, or you can just use hard liquor if you don't mind consuming ethanol tbh).

If you can measure out 10mL for 10mg accurately, or 100mL for 100mg, then you will be able to measure 1mL for 1mg accurately.

If 1mg of the substance (whatever 1mg of it actually is, since hopefully some of it is at least phenazepam) feels like 5mg of diazepam, you can assume it's roughly half potency, if it feels like 10mg diazepam you could assume close to pure potency. If you barely feel anything, you may want to increase the dosage and gauge it from there.

Just be very careful increasing the dosage, as phenazepam kicks in slowly, not quickly, and it has a very large dose/effects curve.
 
You can take 0.5mg of phenazepam instead of your 5mg diazepam dose. 0.5 - 1mg is a dose for anxiety. I've taken it A few times to substitute clonazepam and they're like 1:1 (very close in potency on a weight basis with clonazepam being a little big stronger).
 
I have injectable Bacteriostatic 0.9% Sodium Chloride, each mL containing 9mg sodium chloride and 9mg benzyl alcohol... i'm guessing this will work?

Ordered 250mg. Product should be rather pure, it's from a notably trustworthy and reliable vendor.

I should be able to weigh out 50mg within +/- 5mg, so to be safe i'll weigh out 40-45mg. However, how am i sure that there will accurately be 1mg/1mL? The mixture won't have some phenazepam on the bottom or anything? (stupid question probably)

My insurance is gone and i've not enough money to go see one... 250mg of phenazepam will last me a few months... it's sad i have to resort to this.


Sorry if i sound off or something... i've been very doped up on opiates lately
 
^ phenazepam isn't water soluble. You're going to need something like propylene glycol. Check out the phenazepam mega threads, its been discussed quite a bit.
 
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Cface said:
I have injectable Bacteriostatic 0.9% Sodium Chloride, each mL containing 9mg sodium chloride and 9mg benzyl alcohol... i'm guessing this will work?
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Yes! :)

It will stay good for 28 days, just keep that in mind.

Ordered 250mg. Product should be rather pure, it's from a notably trustworthy and reliable vendor.

I should be able to weigh out 50mg within +/- 5mg, so to be safe i'll weigh out 40-45mg. However, how am i sure that there will accurately be 1mg/1mL? The mixture won't have some phenazepam on the bottom or anything? (stupid question probably)

My insurance is gone and i've not enough money to go see one... 250mg of phenazepam will last me a few months... it's sad i have to resort to this.


Sorry if i sound off or something... i've been very doped up on opiates lately
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I'm not familiar with having to mix drugs in solutions vigorously. Every time I did something like K, MDA, cocaine, it dissolved instantly really.

Shit now that I think about this, I did not include phenazepam's water solubility did I?

You might need to do 1 part ethanol to 1 part water (bac. water or sterile water would be best I assume) so it dissolves better.

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Why the would CHeroin tell me to use that solution then?
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I just realized that unless you use enough bacteriostatic water (probably 10mL to 1mg, or even more dilute, depending on its unique solubility, which I cannot find information on as drugbank.ca doesn't have phenazepam in their database...) it wouldn't work well; ethanol or propylene glycol mixed with water (unless you don't mind drinking just propylene glycol or ethanol with the phenazepam) would be best as advised above.

Cface said:
Why the would CHeroin tell me to use that solution then?
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Been up all night, plus playing phone tag with someone at the moment. Not a fun type of phone tag either. ;)

You can buy propylene glycol online, or you can use something which primarily uses proyplene glycol like food coloring possibly (although I am just assuming this is a constituent; propylene glycol is a constituent of a lot of different things).
 
I usually disolved it in a 50:50 mixture of vodka and water. Dissolves _fine_ in that.

And as long as you're only taking 1ml of the solution at a time, it doesn't matter that there's some alcohol in it.

As long as there is no visible solids present in the liquid, and as long as the stuff was mixed to begin with (if you dissolve it in the liquid, but never shake it ever, you could end up with the liquid on the bottom being more concentrated, because it was never mixed - but once you shake it, it won't separate out. This is the reason that liquid measurement works. If it didn't, lots of things in the world wouldn't work like they do.

And phenazepam works great for anxiety. If you're on 5mg diazepam, do 0.5mg or less phenazepam to start. I find phenaz to be more selective for anxiolysis (and unfortunately, also amensia, though that takes higher doses than 0.5mg to become a problem) than diazepam. Also, while diazepam feels like it wears off faster than it's quoted halflife suggests, that's not the case with phenazepam. You might find that you need less on the second and subsequent day. That stuff lasts a longass time.
 
Dont you have iter rebis prescribtions in states?

Those not familiar with latin (which is sad to see becoming less all the time and latin is used in medicine and drug addicts should understand what their drugs are all about) it means a prescribtion which renews itself in defined timeframe for ever unless defined to last like a year or so.
 
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Dont you have iter rebis prescribtions in states?

Those not familiar with latin (which is sad to see becoming less all the time and latin is used in medicine and drug addicts should understand what their drugs are all about) it means a prescribtion which renews itself in defined timeframe for ever unless defined to last like a year or so.
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i wish my scripts refilled all year lol.
the doctor writes on your script how many times you can refill and if they dont add how many days supply it is, the pharmacy figures out when you can refill it by, for example.. 30pills, 3pills/day thats a ten day supply so you can refill in 10 days.
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i have posted a bunch of different times how to make a good solution of phenazepam with sterile water, PG and benzyl alcohol.. search and you shall find. Unless they got pruned.. i had the step by step instructions for making it saved on my old computer so i could post when someone needed it, but i no longer have that computer set up.. 30% PG and 70%sterile water with 1% benzyl alcohol added at the end. So for 100ml: 30ml PG then add desired amount of phenaz to the straight PG and shake until fully dissolved then add 70ml sterile water, shake again, then add 1cc/ml (1% ) benzyl alcohol. shake for about 5 minutes and you should have a phenazepam solution that will last you quite a while.. im not even sure if you were asking how to do this, but now you know anyways and future searchers can find it if they UTSE.
-HOOD
 
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I think that no source discussion is not allowed even for quasilegal substances.

I think it is a good rule as it is harm reduction of in same sense that parents dont tell their kids on the candy store that there you go, take whatever you want and as much you want.

It also keeps legal issues at bay as none would be interested in junkies telling tips and tricks to avoid addiction or severe health problems but a place of junkies telling others how to obtain scheduled drugs or street drugs online would eventually in to site being shut down as happened for drugbuyers.com
 
If phenazepam injectable solution existed, it would be composed of much more than 9mg/ml of benzyl alcohol.

Not that I want to show how to make an injectable solution but if one wants to dissolve phenazepam in sterile water to measure out the dose for p.o. administration, the ingredients would be the same. Possibilities are ethyl alcohol, benzyl alcohol (20-30mg/ml), PG, and GAA.

Phenazepam differs from clonazepam in structure only by 7-bromo group instead of 7-nitro group. Both are very electronegative, i.e. have a great attraction for electrons.

I'm sure using Google will give out clonazepam vials ingredients, it's no secret.
 
Phenazepam is approximately 10x more potent than diazepam on a mg per mg basis. I have yet to try phenazepam, so I can't say for sure how they stack up against each other. I suspect diazepam is the stronger of the two across the board - stronger anxiolytic, stronger anticonvulsant, muscle relaxant, and sedative. I say this because diazepam tends to stack up pretty well against even some hypnotics (ie. flurazepam, quazepam, estazolam) - I don't think phenazepam would stack up as well against those drugs as diazepam can.
 
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Like I previously wrote I used it as a substitute for clonazepam. I can compare it with clonazepam.

In Ukraine it's sold as 0.5mg, 1.0mg, and 2.5mg pills. The latest form is what I used because of my high tolerance to clonazepam. I could easily substitute 2mg clonazepam pills with 2.5mg phenazepam pills. It's more of an anxiolytic than a hypnotic with anticonvulsant properties. It's a bit less potent than clonazepam by weight but I wouldn't say it's a 1:2 ratio (whatever, I don't agree with more comparisons from the conversion chart). It similarly peaks to clonazepam in effects. It's also good because of its long half-life. When I was struggling with lorazepam dependence I had to dose 2 or 3 times a day eventually. Phenazepam taken once a day is enough just like clonazepam so one can spare a higher dose throughout the day.

In Ukraine or Russia it's a drug for everything: insomnia, anxiety, epilepsy, or alcohol withdrawal.

It's also worth adding that it has stronger hypnotic effects than clonazepam. At least that's what I registered.
 
^That's what i like to hear, some damn opinions on its subjective effects. Much appreciated, i think a 0.5mg dose of phenazepam will do wonders for my anxiety, maybe even better than diazepam.
 
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