How does mescaline compare to other phenethylamines?

[Hilopsilo]

Without getting into specifics, the one place known for carrying actual mescaline HCL no longer carries it. Everywhere else it simply does not exist... I knew it was there for ages, and never jumped on it. I now feel like I missed out on a huge opportunity and may never get another chance to try the stuff.

What did I really miss out on though? I often hear mescaline compared to 2cb, even though it clearly lasts much longer. I've got a lot of experience with 2C-B, and if mescaline is really just a longer lasting 2C-B I'll feel a lot better about missing out

Has anyone tried proper mescaline HCL here? Thoughts? Comparison to other more-available substances? The "synthetic mescalines" like proscaline, allylescaline, and escaline have absolutely abysmal reviews everywhere I look.

 

[Help?!?!]

Mescaline is an absurdly unique psychedelic. It has an extremely empathogenic feeling that provides a feeling of interconnectedness of all life. It is subtle yet highly powerful. Etherally beautiful and glorious. One of the best teachers I've ever been graced to have and I've had many.... You missed out, big time... It's got bits and pieces of many psychedelics. Very introspective and deep like 2c-E but in it's own way. A more natural feeling MDMA love. The interconnectedness and very clean euphoria like LSD. The senerity of DMT. All in it's own way though. It's very easy to extract and I enjoy extracted mescaline more than the synthetic. The addition of other cactus alkaloids seems to certainly add more character IMO. A very meditative zen state. With cacti and the proper tools you can never really miss out if your willing to put in some work!

 

[JackARoe]

Mescaline is an absurdly unique psychedelic. It has an extremely empathogenic feeling that provides a feeling of interconnectedness of all life. It is subtle yet highly powerful. Etherally beautiful and glorious. One of the best teachers I've ever been graced to have and I've had many....

Perfectly said. There is a teacherly vibe to mescaline that seems to come from my own consciousness. I like all the classic psychedelics. I also do like 2C-B but it is different from mescaline. I never get to trip that much anymore but when I do there is a good chance I will have a cactus day. I know it sounds cliche and I know we can call all psychedelics magical but mescaline is really magical.

I did have a chance to try the other 2C's. Any 2C I tried was from pre 2004. Nothing recent at all. But I did get to experience 2CT-2, 2CT-21, 2C-I, 2C-C, and 2C-D about a decade ago. None are like the cactus I have had. All were wonderful in their own way but not really like mescaline.

I do find it interesting that people can look online and purchase mescaline. I am so out of the loop with all of that. But as long as cactus exists I will every so often spend a day learning from mescaline.

 

[perpetualdawn]

The way I look at it is that Mescaline is a superset containing all of the psychedelic phenethylamines, and the psychedelic phenethylamines are in turn sub-sets of Mescaline. 2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-P, 2C-B, 2C-I, 2C-T-7, 2C-T-2, Allylescaline, MDMA (I think those are all of the phens I've sampled) each seem to represent an aspect or handful of aspects of mescaline. Mescaline is the grandfather molecule, and all of these phens represent magnifications of certain parts of it, but never the whole thing.

A bit of a model, not the whole truth, but a useful model maybe.

edit: I've never tried raw mescaline, just had it from cacti, which might be a bit different. Also, I wouldn't say that the phenethylamines are inferior to mescaline, just different and partial rather than whole. Well, mescaline is certainly the most magical of them all. Anyways, when I take say 2C-E, I don't see it as a poor imitation of mescaline. It is it's own thing, every bit as valuable, but a different lens.

 

[Bitchniggaz]

Agree 100%
All them 2-c's are bullpoop compared to big daddy mescalito.

Ive only had San Pedro though, but ive consumed up to 3 feet several times.
Probably my favorite substance that i dont use often.
Once a year keeps the cacti spirits happy in my heart.

 

[tacodude]

You can still buy dried cactus and extract it... Not too hard. Tea works too

 

[Hilopsilo]

Well I think you guys have summed it up hahaha, I did miss out! Damn it!

Going to try and get my hands on some dried cactus. In my city a couple "heady" shops sell cactus, but they're like tiny baby ones you're supposed to grow yourself for absurdly high prices. Probably will have to look elsewhere

 

[Help?!?!]

You can order some dried or skin/whole. Many plant nurseries carry them too.

 

[Hilopsilo]

You can order some dried or skin/whole. Many plant nurseries carry them too.

Hm, I'll call around to some nurseries. By order do you mean DN? Or is this one of those gray area things you can find on like amazon/ebay? what species is commonly at nurseries?

Also it seems that peruvian toch and san pedro are the most common species. I'm familiar with how different mushroom species produce slightly different experiences and are of different potency, I assume this holds true for cactus as well?

 

[Beenhead]

Th torch has a higher mescaline content, and yes , the differences I would guess would be more apparent in cacti than in mushrooms. There are so many different phenethylamines in cacti and their abundance will undoubtedly flavor the experience.

Separately, I am intrigued by a couple things. For some reason, I was unaware of the MDMA like euphoria in 2C-B and Mescaline. THat makes them sound even better to me than they ever did.

I was always happy with 2C-E in that the headspace and geometry were fantastic and I thought that 2C-B would be a lesser version thereof. But 2C-E never produced any entactogen or empathogenic experiences in me.

I remember reading in the early literature about 2C-B about this, but never took it too seriously, however, maybe I should have taken a more deeper look at it. I once had a bunch of it but gave it away thinking it was not needed due to 2C-E (which I love)

Mescaline and cacti which I have never tried have always been item on my list I have wanted to do but just done have the ability to extract due to having either no time or now a place kid free. And on the DN, I would bet much of what is sold as mescaline is a 2C-X with filler or proscaline or escaline.

 

[Help?!?!]

Perivinaus torch can have a higher content but I liked San Pedro better. Good Pedro can have as much or more mescaline than PT and it seemed to be a but tripper IMO. It was cool mixing 125gs of each for a d-limonene extract which is very easy BTW. You can order it on the clearnet. It used to be prevalent. The first time I ordered some was actually from eBay many years ago when I was 17. It varied a lot though and I found a company that had cheap great cacti powder luckily. There's also bridgesi etc.

Mescaline has both those effects strongly. 2c-E is much more serious like a strict teacher who really wants you to work to success. Mescaline is like a super wise goddess who leads you by the hand and gives you exactly what you need. 2c-B is fun to have around too. It is especially nice when mixed with MDxx compounds. There's definitely synthetic mescaline out there. It'd be very easy to tell the difference between a 2c and mescaline. I don't even think it would look to similar. All 2c's I had were brillant white powders. Plus it would be hard to just mix up some 2c in filler to pass as mesc. What would you even do? Put 40mgs of 2c-E in a gram and just hope it'd mix perfectly(it wouldn't...)? Not saying it couldn't happen. Proscalibe or escalibe though sure. Their fairly different than mesc too though if you hadn't taken it you'd be fooled.

 

[Hilopsilo]

Well I'm a big fan of both MDMA and 2C-B so I think mescaline is worthwhile option, the "PEA cocktail" sounds very appealing to me lol, I like that. Talking with some friends about making a camping trip this summer about it!

At this point I'm just worried about the varying potency of cactus... It'd be really disappointing to get all the way out there and it ends up being a dud. It's also relatively expensive for something thats hit or miss. I'm reading that bolivian torch is more reliable/consistent than san pedro? Mushrooms also vary since they're a natural "medium", but they don't seem to be nearly as unreliable from what I'm reading/experienced. a substantial dose of cubensis never disappoints unless they're really old, rotten or worse.

I've done a ton of 2C-B, at times and higher doses it can feel like mdma-like euphoria, but really not quite, and I wouldn't say any more euphoric than LSD or mushrooms, maybe more energetic than tryptamines but so is LSD. It certainly lacks the depth of other psychedelics I've tried like LSD and a various tryptamines. That doesn't mean its shallow, but I've never even come close to a bad/difficult trip with it and neither has anyone else I know who has had it. Its very in control, I'm certain some meditation and higher doses could bring about more in-depth experiences I've heard mixed reviews of 2C-E and 2C-I, although those seems to be the other worthwhile 2C's.

Did a quick skim over the mescaline scene on DN, and it looks shady at best... Even reviews for dried cactus were all over the place, and it seems you don't even need to go that far for the cactus itself.

 

[tacodude]

Don't go to the dark net for cactus. You might find extracted mescaline if you're lucky. You can buy cactus legally and there's many ethnobotanical websites

 

[Help?!?!]

^Exactly. Just extract it. It's very simple using d-limonene. Then there isn't much wondering if you did it right....

 

[Xorkoth]

As others have said, mescaline is extremely unique. It's one of the greats, for sure, more subtle than you might expect but really powerful, very empathogenic but entirely different from something like MDMA. Honestly though, I've had pure mescaline HCl and cactus, and I think cactus provides a fuller experience (as is the case with pretty much any plant psychedelic). So you're still good, you can still experience mescaline.

 

[Help?!?!]

As others have said, mescaline is extremely unique. It's one of the greats, for sure, more subtle than you might expect but really powerful, very empathogenic but entirely different from something like MDMA. Honestly though, I've had pure mescaline HCl and cactus, and I think cactus provides a fuller experience (as is the case with pretty much any plant psychedelic). So you're still good, you can still experience mescaline.

I feel the same way. I'd rather extract my own than buy it. Way cheaper too.

 

[Beenhead]

Perivinaus torch can have a higher content but I liked San Pedro better. Good Pedro can have as much or more mescaline than PT and it seemed to be a but tripper IMO. It was cool mixing 125gs of each for a d-limonene extract which is very easy BTW. You can order it on the clearnet. It used to be prevalent. The first time I ordered some was actually from eBay many years ago when I was 17. It varied a lot though and I found a company that had cheap great cacti powder luckily. There's also bridgesi etc.

Mescaline has both those effects strongly. 2c-E is much more serious like a strict teacher who really wants you to work to success. Mescaline is like a super wise goddess who leads you by the hand and gives you exactly what you need. 2c-B is fun to have around too. It is especially nice when mixed with MDxx compounds. There's definitely synthetic mescaline out there. It'd be very easy to tell the difference between a 2c and mescaline. I don't even think it would look to similar. All 2c's I had were brillant white powders. Plus it would be hard to just mix up some 2c in filler to pass as mesc. What would you even do? Put 40mgs of 2c-E in a gram and just hope it'd mix perfectly(it wouldn't...)? Not saying it couldn't happen. Proscalibe or escalibe though sure. Their fairly different than mesc too though if you hadn't taken it you'd be fooled.

I agree, you wouldnt be able to fool those who had done mescaline, but someone like me maybe. Also, the way you mix powders is by adding a little bit of a colored product in there and mix with a mortar and pestle until the color is evenly distributed and muted. Its pretty easy.

 

[spacejunk]

can we watch the source-related comments please guys?


it's really not relevant to the discussion of mescaline, or helpful in keeping it accessible...

 

[plusfourpirate]

Hard to put into words it’s unique character; but I would say mescaline is like the opium of psychs... Its got a little bit of all it’s brothers, sisters, and cousins qualities, and to me, it is like the mother of many psychedelics. The 2c’s are like it’s children, where as escaline, proscaline, etc are like it’s siblings. I suppose the three carbon substituted amphetamines such as DOC, or empathogens such as MDMA would be it’s cousins ;p

As others have said above, with a little elbow grease and curiousity I’m sure you’ll have no trouble finding her and seeing what the fuss is all about. Warm wishes and safe travels if you do so decide to embark on such a journey. Highly recommended imho. Godspeed!

 

[Dresden]

There's A Book Called PiHKAL: Phenethylamines I Have Known & Loved, A Chemical Love Story by (the late) Alexander & Ann Shulgin That You Should Check Out For For This Type Of Query.

The Young Poisoner's Handbook (film)

Mescaline (#96)--> KRISHNA.