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How do you tell someone to be careful

While you do make a point, he doesn't come across as anywhere near as hostile as you seem to.

Are you serious? Teo has been lashing out at people randomly for a while now whenever he sees fit, whether it's even remotely deserved or not. He's also withdrawn a few of his random insults because they're just THAT out of place.

Just because solistus says things in a few more words doesn't make him worse. If anything at least his point of view is clear. I think he's hoping for a response with some clarity from Teo. That's probably where I might agree with you on his insanity ;)
 
edit-this is pointless. Sorry if I offended anyone other than Teo with my over-the-top rhetoric at Teo, and sorry to Evil Way if I offended you in any way with my response. I still think your objections are unreasonable but it's pointless to keep arguing about it. I'll make a more conscious effort in the future to keep my hostility clearly directed at ideas and adjust the ratio of funny to mean a bit (although my sense of humor is what some people, perhaps such as yourself, call 'being an asshole' so you may still dislike my replies).

Partially I just enjoy arguing and hostile humor, but to use your own definition of insanity: I made many many peace offerings to Teo early on, which he claimed to accept and he keeps promising to change. I have two modes of interaction with someone like Teo: hostility or feigned respect with veiled criticism or simple calm rebuttals of argument. The latter was what I tried early on, and he chose to up the rhetoric he claimed he would stop after conceding was unjustified. So, I stopped repeating the less enjoyable activity because the desired outcome was demonstrated on a few tries not to be likely without some external change (probably on Teo's part). Until that promised change comes, I can't promise no hostility, but as I said I will work on some things I can see a legitimate objection to. I think you're just frustrated with the whole Teo situation and I was the one who was the most hostile at the moment you decided to say something, and I bet if you read over the bulk of Teo and me arguing threads or Teo arguing threads in general, you'll agree that he's more randomly hostile by far and my hostility has mostly been rather measured in comparison. I say fuck a lot and call him an idiot. That's about the worst I've done and by my standards that's not really all that hostile :\ I haven't even told him to die in a fire, ffs! What kind of flame war is that? ;)

At any rate, I'm sorry for contributing in any way to the OT-ness of this whole shitstorm. Let's get back to advice about a first-timer who wants to take 2C-P because she thinks it's a party drug. I agree that you can't control her or force her not to take it, but it doesn't sound like she understands the power, length and unpredictability if it is actually 2C-P. Just make sure she knows you think it's a bad idea, almost everyone with any experience you talked to (here at least) agrees it's a bad idea and have her read Erowid, some trip reports, and probably the BL megathread at the very least.
 
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ummm

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chill?

if this is such a big deal and everyone is stressing out then ban me, im not even playing

it is not that big of a deal, its just an internet forum

damn
 
I've explained repeatedly why I enjoy mocking you. If you still don't get it, well, let's just say I find that enjoyable as well. Stupidity is funny when it doesn't affect me materially.

Bad information on a harm reduction site, on the other hand, is something I do find problematic, which is why I'm all for banning you - you spread misinformation and correcting it seems to inevitably lead to another one of your little sideshows. Plus, you make blatant attempts to threadjack, like you did here.

You also double-posted more off topic crap. Please stop. Back to the topic... :\
 
you shouldn't feel bad for your concern- what I might suggest (if it's not too late) is to offer her an alternative give her a hit or 1.5 hits of acid or 100mg of MDMA (both much more managable. say you'd love to do the 2cp WITH her.

if that's not an option, make sure you can get her to a safe place and are able to be reached if she needs you...

good luck- you're just looking out for her, dont think you should shut up you clearly know more about this shit than she does
 
The thing is its not impossible that she could end up having a great time. It's also not impossible that him being in her ear before the trip could be the cause of it going downhill. It's all very tentative, it's hard to know whether or not you might be doing something wrong in these cases. Whatever you do just don't push too hard, that's not going to be the right option no matter what.
 
Harm reduction just doesn't register with some people, but others can be convinced if you show them the facts. If she's seriously getting into drugs and is willing to hear you out, introduce her to the world of harm reduction (I've pulled up Bluelight threads and Erowid articles many times for newbie drug users getting in over their heads). The problem is that the vast majority of drug users rely on urban lore and anecdotes to make decisions, but if she's wise, she'll listen to data. Getting deep into drugs is something most of us here are probably guilty of, but armed with knowledge and common sense she'll probably come out alright.
 
^Yea I really hate arguing with ignorant drug users who think they know what they are talking about but are really basing everything they say off of hearsay.

I remember trying to convince quite a few people not to snort Xanax because it isn't water soluble and has a large amount of binders/fillers in the pill. They just weren't hearing it.

Or, how about the "You take Acid 7 times and your legally insane" one? lol That doesn't even make sense at all but some people believe it (yet they still take LSD 8))

Sometimes you just gotta let people do/think stupid shit.
 
Bad information on a harm reduction site, on the other hand, is something I do find problematic, which is why I'm all for banning you - you spread misinformation and correcting it seems to inevitably lead to another one of your little sideshows. Plus, you make blatant attempts to threadjack, like you did here.:\

Being the devil's advocate here perhaps.

Somebody posting BS information may possibly help a harms reduction forum by bringing up myths and crap about drugs that can then be identified as bullshit and debunked by more experienced and mature users. Then it becomes educational as many closed-minded ideas get destroyed without mercy.

The problem with his posts is that:

1. He is constantly repeating the same BS,
2. His BS (even overlooking lack of tangible evidence) sometimes is even incoherent, and contradicts itself.
3. His opinion seems to change every hour. (First he says you should not smoke Salvia, then he says he sees no problem with it.)

Back to the subject, anyone engaged in experimenting with RCs. Especially powerful ones, without being interested in detailed information about the mechanisms of action, the effects, and the health issues is kind of like a sky-diver diving without a parachute and "hoping he'll land on something soft".

Darwinism in action I guess. However, this pisses me off to the highest degree because it's shit like that that brings media attention to RCs and gets them banned. I can see the headline:

"Four girls held in restraint at mental institution in severe psychosis after ingesting an unknown amount of a bizarre chemical ordered online."

and then some random neighborhood mother saying:

"We must do everything we can to ensure nothing like this ever happens again to our youth!"

And BANG! Law passes, 2C-P scheduled in all 50 states - Australia follows, then Canada, then European countries and so on. It's frustrating.

Your girlfriend is part of the problem.
 
your just letting yourself get fucked with solistus

i know i can post and make you waste your time, lol

your silly

your allowing me to control you

i tell you when to type...

watch...

Hey Solistus... I bet you will respond to this post! go ahead, type away my little minion!

mwhahahaa!


Your girlfriend is part of the problem.

now you know how i feel about people using plants irresonsibily

but i don't think that girl has an inherant right to ingest those kinds of chemicals which she totally does not understand!

she didnt make them! to me buying a compound doesnt just give you the right to use, nor a plant

knowledge... the knowledge it takes to produce drugs brings with it respect and understanding
 
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