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How do we bring MDMA to the masses?
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You say "It couldn't be seen as condoning drug usage" but to many people if you aren't say "Don't take drugs" you are condoning usage, hence why I doubt you'd find a radio station that would air such a show, you'd get loads of people ringing/writing in complaining about it.Juvenile said:
I'm not allowed to link to Bluelight on another forum I'm a member of because they see Bluelight as encouraging drug use. To someone who doesn't read the threads it does seem as if thats what we do. When someone who disliked drugs reads Bluelight all they see if "How can I get high on cough syrup" and the retarded threads we try and close ASAP.They don't see posts explaining why mixing DXM and MDMA is a bad idea. To them explaining a Cold Water Extraction doesn't save someone from liver damage, it helps others use high doses of codeine/hydro/oxy. Unfortunately to make drugs more "acceptable" you'd need to educate people from the get go in a different way, and thats down to parents and the government.
resistor25
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^^^^^ and thus why you are a senior moderator
duneonthemoon
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mm maybe...
The thing is AlphaNumeric, that the radio station in question would put on such a show, it very left wing and interested in drugs.
How do we bring MDMA to the masses? vote greens (australia) they want to delegalise it.
There are ways of doing it, it just takes ages to open peoples minds.
It's like how they said they would never knock down the berlin wall, shit happens if enough people do something about it.
The thing is AlphaNumeric, that the radio station in question would put on such a show, it very left wing and interested in drugs.
How do we bring MDMA to the masses? vote greens (australia) they want to delegalise it.
There are ways of doing it, it just takes ages to open peoples minds.
It's like how they said they would never knock down the berlin wall, shit happens if enough people do something about it.
The_Great_Refusal
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i heard someone on here say, australia would never legalise anything before the usa. But, when you look at the facts, if a western country could ever move in the legal direction for drugs, it may be australia indeed. One of the biggest youth radio stations (jjj) which promote most international music acts too, are very left wing. They even had a 'mock' right wing comedy show. The station is always taking calls from anyone at all, brining up contraversial topics, usualy, each topic is of a specific drug and how it is used and who uses it.
And what he said ^^^ vote for the greens, and some drugs will be decriminalised. The greens is probably the equivalent to ralph nader in the USA in terms of popularity, but if ralph nader promoted delegalisation, he would be condemmed by most? right?. the greens here are very respected. I'd say usa is rather conservative overall. ... Australia also has the lowest form of religious following in the world, so yeah.
And what he said ^^^ vote for the greens, and some drugs will be decriminalised. The greens is probably the equivalent to ralph nader in the USA in terms of popularity, but if ralph nader promoted delegalisation, he would be condemmed by most? right?. the greens here are very respected. I'd say usa is rather conservative overall. ... Australia also has the lowest form of religious following in the world, so yeah.
ecstasteve
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The promotion of drug use is not a very good idea. Drugs are not good for you, they should not be promoted at all. Has drugs really made any of your lives better? Mine hasn't gotten anywhere because of drugs. I think todays youth are dumb enough, I couldn't imagine them on E. I know some really stupid ravers, in fact every rave I goto now I see stupid little kids playing with lights lying around in the dirt and little homos running around smacking each others asses like little bitch fairies. The people on this earth are stupid enough, we don't need to push drug use on them.
resistor25
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and Alchohol is better? Its promoted.
VelocideX
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Cos said:who cares if they legalise it or not?? will it stop u from smokin pot if they DID legalise it? will u pick up shootin dope becuz they DIDNT legalize ur favorite drug? whatever....time will tell i guess![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
Legalisation means you can consume drugs without the stigma attached to them. You can do drugs when you're out at a party and not worry about going to gaol. You can tell your friends you do them, and not worry about being labelled a criminal.
perhaps most importantly, prices would fall and quality would increase as the organised crime element collapsed...
ecstasteve
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resistor25 said:
This thread isnt about alcohol though buddy. The drug in question is MDMA, and MDMA either makes people stupid or stupid people use MDMA. It doesn't need to be legal, then really how fun would it be? You think it would actually get used in moderation?? Hell no, people would be dropping 5 - 10 pills a night because they could and it would be cheap. Deaths would go up because the world is stupid and nobody knows what they're doing. It would suck, nobody would make any money selling it. The government WOULD BE making money off taxing it. Fuck that, Id rather pay my 20 bucks to a dealer than 5 to the government any day. Besides they will never legalize a substance in which is just a big drug cocktail right. Don't forget everybody thinks MDMA is heroin + cocaine + speed + LSD + everything under your kitchen sink + fuckin motor oil and who knows what else.
Why don't we worry about Mary becoming legal first. Small steps people.
disorientedone79
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ecstasteve said:
That sure is the truth! As a matter a fact I had to laugh when I saw this quote because it sounds exactly how my mother "educated" me about E. Especially about everything under the kitchen sink! She told me there was Draino in E! LOL
ecstasteve,
E does not make you stupid, I actually find it that I am smarter on E. Plus, believe me some super smart people take e (that's why government hates it so much) But maybe it just amplifies the person's personality, stupid people become dumber, and smart ones become smarter (haha, just joking here). I have seen dumb people on E say shit that I would be wondering where it came from. At the end of the day if a human was a computer and a brain was microprocessor, then it is sort of like overclocking your microprocessor on your PC, the graphics of a computer game is more smooth, the programs run smoother, faster and dont crash, there is no effort in opening large files and calculating huge formulas in excel that's how I feel on e. Of course you gotta make sure that microprocessor does not overheat, hehe.... Anyways...
To your other point, I think legalization is overhyped. If MDMA were to be legalized one day, I dont think there would be a huge line the next day to your local GNC store, like there would be one if Britney Spears was selling an album with her naked pictures in it. I think there would be some people who would OD and die first, but that's just natural selection... And then it would be business as usual, people would be scared to take a lot, cause the media would be all over "deaths from ecstasy"... If you think about it, there is many ways you can kill yourself if you want to, but you dont it... Plus the added benefit would be that there would be huge motivation to research the chemical and make sure its pure, cause now you can sue somebody's ass if you got hurt using MDMA, so now it's capitalism at its finest...
E does not make you stupid, I actually find it that I am smarter on E. Plus, believe me some super smart people take e (that's why government hates it so much) But maybe it just amplifies the person's personality, stupid people become dumber, and smart ones become smarter (haha, just joking here). I have seen dumb people on E say shit that I would be wondering where it came from. At the end of the day if a human was a computer and a brain was microprocessor, then it is sort of like overclocking your microprocessor on your PC, the graphics of a computer game is more smooth, the programs run smoother, faster and dont crash, there is no effort in opening large files and calculating huge formulas in excel that's how I feel on e. Of course you gotta make sure that microprocessor does not overheat, hehe.... Anyways...
To your other point, I think legalization is overhyped. If MDMA were to be legalized one day, I dont think there would be a huge line the next day to your local GNC store, like there would be one if Britney Spears was selling an album with her naked pictures in it. I think there would be some people who would OD and die first, but that's just natural selection... And then it would be business as usual, people would be scared to take a lot, cause the media would be all over "deaths from ecstasy"... If you think about it, there is many ways you can kill yourself if you want to, but you dont it... Plus the added benefit would be that there would be huge motivation to research the chemical and make sure its pure, cause now you can sue somebody's ass if you got hurt using MDMA, so now it's capitalism at its finest...
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junglelove
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make them legal - remove the stigma.
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it's ez to cum, that's all i knownubXer said:
There are some very bright people who use MDMA and other drugs, and there are some very stupid people who do the same. I've had people not beleive I do a Mathematics degree just because when they asked me what I did (usual pilled up conversation) I happened to be gurning me face off.
I think more what Ecstasteve was getting at is that in general people don't exercise self control very well. Sure, individuals do, and I think Bluelight has a higher proportion of people who do as a result of the information it spreads. However, "Jo Public" who take MDMA doesn't know much about MDMA, all they know is it feels great, and (in the UK at least) is cheaper than alcohol so why spend 20 quid on 10 pints when you can buy 10 pills for your weekend? They are abusing too much of a good thing. They dont' know about serotonin, or receptor regulation, or neuro-toxicity, and most of the people I've mentioned it to either don't care or don't understand.
I'm probably thinking from a UK point of view here so I apologise for the generalisations if you live in he US or Oz. We have a culture of "Its the weekend, lets fucking 'ave it large!". At the moment the binge drinking culture in the UK is out of control. I hate going out to clubs where its full of 20 somethings drunk as hell, and I'm a 20 year old student myself! People get in too much of a mess, violence is gaurenteed at some point and generally its not a very "friendly" environment to be in. The majority of the people who use MDMA a lot obviously don't have the violence part, but do have the "full on, flat out" nature of just using loads till they get fucked. In too many of them this is a weekly occurance.
The E using culture in the UK is quite considerable, but nothing compared to the "lads drinking culture" we have. If MDMA was legally available I dread to think what would happen if that even a fraction of that culture moved over to MDMA rather than alcohol (or worse, mixed the two a lot). True, you wouldn't have the violence level but the number of people burning out and doing themselves either serious neurological or psycological damage could sky rocket.
While MDMA has its responsible users, and I'm sure there are loads of people out there who don't use MDMA or other drugs but could keep control of their usage if they started, its a sad fact (IMO) that most people wouldn't keep control and would just go over the top, with too many coming out the other end of their drug use feeling they've done themselves some serious damage as a result
This is why I do not know if I would like MDMA to be legalised or "brought to the masses". Yes, its a wonderful experience, and I've had the best nights out of my life on it and have mad wonderful friends through its use, but I've also seen people burn out, become emotionally unhinged somewhat and generally just not come off well from their drug use. There are just too many people like that for me to be able to say "It would be a good thing if MDMA was legal".
I think more what Ecstasteve was getting at is that in general people don't exercise self control very well. Sure, individuals do, and I think Bluelight has a higher proportion of people who do as a result of the information it spreads. However, "Jo Public" who take MDMA doesn't know much about MDMA, all they know is it feels great, and (in the UK at least) is cheaper than alcohol so why spend 20 quid on 10 pints when you can buy 10 pills for your weekend? They are abusing too much of a good thing. They dont' know about serotonin, or receptor regulation, or neuro-toxicity, and most of the people I've mentioned it to either don't care or don't understand.
I'm probably thinking from a UK point of view here so I apologise for the generalisations if you live in he US or Oz. We have a culture of "Its the weekend, lets fucking 'ave it large!". At the moment the binge drinking culture in the UK is out of control. I hate going out to clubs where its full of 20 somethings drunk as hell, and I'm a 20 year old student myself! People get in too much of a mess, violence is gaurenteed at some point and generally its not a very "friendly" environment to be in. The majority of the people who use MDMA a lot obviously don't have the violence part, but do have the "full on, flat out" nature of just using loads till they get fucked. In too many of them this is a weekly occurance.
The E using culture in the UK is quite considerable, but nothing compared to the "lads drinking culture" we have. If MDMA was legally available I dread to think what would happen if that even a fraction of that culture moved over to MDMA rather than alcohol (or worse, mixed the two a lot). True, you wouldn't have the violence level but the number of people burning out and doing themselves either serious neurological or psycological damage could sky rocket.
While MDMA has its responsible users, and I'm sure there are loads of people out there who don't use MDMA or other drugs but could keep control of their usage if they started, its a sad fact (IMO) that most people wouldn't keep control and would just go over the top, with too many coming out the other end of their drug use feeling they've done themselves some serious damage as a result
This is why I do not know if I would like MDMA to be legalised or "brought to the masses". Yes, its a wonderful experience, and I've had the best nights out of my life on it and have mad wonderful friends through its use, but I've also seen people burn out, become emotionally unhinged somewhat and generally just not come off well from their drug use. There are just too many people like that for me to be able to say "It would be a good thing if MDMA was legal".