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Stimulants How do people become addicted to amp and methamp when physical symptoms are so harsh?

crestfallen

crestfallen

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I used to take a lot of adderall which I know isn't as strong as street amps. I remember how bad the comedowns where, especially the physical symptoms. Now most people addicted to stims are addicted to the euphoria they cause am I right? Well the euphoria goes away after a short while and all you get is bad side effects. Every redose after that just worsens and prolongs these effects while not giving you anything "good".

After a while, everything that made you love this drug disappears/or is severely decreased. Why don't people just stop using for a while? I understand other drugs like with opiates and how every re-dose gives you more euphoria/sedation. Its a chain of positive reinforcement where as stims give you a chain of negative reinforcement after the initial highs. Not too mention how hard staying awake days on end is on your brain/body. Can anyone give me their experience/insight on this? Thanks
 
i agree with you. i cant use a stimulant for more that 1 day. and that is usually because i need to be productive that day. once in a while i would go on a MAX 2 day binge and hate myself for the comedown but i usually counter-act that with heroin.

i don't see how people would want to dose non stop. maybe it depends on the stim and method of use that bring more euphoria?

i hope someone else chimes in, as i am curious about this too.
 
thats exactly how they get hooked. you binge for a few days and then you feel super fucked and lethargic so you dose just a little bit more to give you the energy to go to work or school...you get pepped right back up again...repeat so and so forth until you havnt slept for a week a cant function without just a little hit to get you going...the hole get deeper every dose and every hour of sleep missed...

the shit is fun as fuck, especially combined with fuck...but it just aint worth it. iv never got so deep so quick as with pipe. be careful!

thing is it suckers you into falsely believing you live a better life or are a better person while with it...that may be the case for the honeymoon but once you get over that it just like a rat in a cage
 
Yeah the ROA probably matters in terms of the amount of euphoria delivered in what time span. AKA, a rush. IV meth or something compared to snorting lol.
 
crestfallen said:
I used to take a lot of adderall which I know isn't as strong as street amps. I remember how bad the comedowns where, especially the physical symptoms. Now most people addicted to stims are addicted to the euphoria they cause am I right? Well the euphoria goes away after a short while and all you get is bad side effects. Every redose after that just worsens and prolongs these effects while not giving you anything "good".

After a while, everything that made you love this drug disappears/or is severely decreased. Why don't people just stop using for a while? I understand other drugs like with opiates and how every re-dose gives you more euphoria/sedation. Its a chain of positive reinforcement where as stims give you a chain of negative reinforcement after the initial highs. Not too mention how hard staying awake days on end is on your brain/body. Can anyone give me their experience/insight on this? Thanks
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because they keep getting called back by the intense euphoria that meth gives, and they forget the negative effects. this is called euphoric recall (no pun intended, its actually the name for it), and is the only reason any women have more than one child.

some people use it to simply join the rest of the world by taking amphetamines so that they can be productive and social, rather than their normal state of ADD and laziness, among other things. that was me, but it didnt take long until i was chasing the high, not self medicating. you learn to not mind the side effects so much, which is why i make myself very aware of the side effects so that i dont forget that if i decide use it again, there will be consequences. although recently the side effects were so
unpleasant that i have decided to quit, if not permanently then for a long, long time. thank god for that too, i keep thinking that i hate it everytime i do it, but then, usually a few days after binging, i clean out the bag in a line or a shot, and i get a euphoric, relatively side effect and comedown free high that reverts my opinion of meth back, and i keep doing it.

I realize that the drugs that i find the most addictive are the ones that fix whatever problem im going through at the time, for instance, ketamine or morphine. I would be addicted to ketamine, or possibly both tthose drugs if they were cheaper and easier to get, because right now, what i need is not to immerse myself in the moment, but rather withdraw and enjoy an alternate universe where everything is OK...but all i can get is speed, so i take what i can. its also a matter of individual, because for some people (my drug buddy of 6 years for instance) meth is so perfect for them, for whatever reason, that the side effects dont seem to bother them. i personally dont know what kind of drug would be perfect for me, because ive never been able to use any of my favorite drugs often enough to know exactly what it does to me at makes me specifically feel so right... besides weed.

at this moment in time, im thinking that ketamine and oxy or general strong opioids seem to be perfect for me, as im on them both right now... it all depends on your personality and what exactly you look for in a drug.
well, i hope that helped, i guess i wrote a lot haha

EDIT: just read this puzzling sentence...

crestfallen said:
I used to take a lot of adderall which I know isn't as strong as street amps.
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... street amphetamine sulphate is about a 10th as strong as adderall... METH however is very pure and strong, and will make adderall feel like it got you about as high as a chocolate bar
 
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rob007 said:
god love feeling like i am superman on this shit >.<
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yeh i know what you mean...but its a fake high...and superman was a quadriplegic that is now dead

the initial buzz and positive effects will quickly be outweighed by all the negative shit that comes along with it

good luck to you Mr Bond! :)
 
I get that people try to look for a "wonder drug" or "magic pill" in hopes to solve there problems in life...I think that is what causes addiction. I took my first and only hit of meth while I was stoned and even though I didn't feel euphoric, I was able to function 2x better than I ever had on any other drug. Its like society is set up to make stims addictive.They are THE drug to help with school, work, and other responsibilities. Opiates are good for relaxing but can render you useless bc you are laying down enjoying every minute.

I think all these drugs should be a "once in a while" thing. That way you can avoid addiction, tolerance, and keep the good effects while minimizing the bad ones.
 
crestfallen said:
I get that people try to look for a "wonder drug" or "magic pill" in hopes to solve there problems in life...I think that is what causes addiction. I took my first and only hit of meth while I was stoned and even though I didn't feel euphoric, I was able to function 2x better than I ever had on any other drug. Its like society is set up to make stims addictive.They are THE drug to help with school, work, and other responsibilities. Opiates are good for relaxing but can render you useless bc you are laying down enjoying every minute.

I think all these drugs should be a "once in a while" thing. That way you can avoid addiction, tolerance, and keep the good effects while minimizing the bad ones.
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i agree with everything you said. also on the topic of society and amphetamines, over 70% (maybe wrong, but in general, the majority) of all new yorkers (adult and child) are on adderall, and wall street is pretty much all on adderall. its because society only approves of alert, problem solving mentality, and while ADDers arent useless (quite the opposite), theyre mode of thinking is considered faulty, and therefore they put everybody on adderall so they can join the 9-5 ranks. who knows, maybe ADD people have a use that we simply havent put the time in to discover yet. i think its creativity, but im not close to being sure.

and yes, i think that if they must be used, stimulants must be treated with caution, and the best way to take it is very rarely, in moderate doses, without redosing, and by using safer ROAs like oral and rectal (possibly snorting although i dont suggest it, more negative effects with that) and NEVER smoking or IVing. even then, one could get very addicted to it, and forget about their personal limitations, and just ruin their lives with it so fast its hard to tell exactly what happened, and when it happened. personally im going to stay away from it, although i dont doubt that ill take it again someday, so hopefully that day is a long time from now.
 
You're preaching to the choir my man. And I have no doubts about the amount of ppl on addy. Capitalist society favors an outgoing, extroverted personality simply because they are good at making money for the big corporations. While an introverted person has a lot to offer, they get bypassed simply bc of the money-making extrovert who can bs others into doing what they want. Obviously you can tell how stimulants have a positive affect on your output so there's no wonder so many people are taking them, both legally and illegally. ADD'ers are treated like there's something wrong with them and are told that they need medication to function normally. Who is making all of the profit though? Big pharma and corporations.

Sorry for the rant. Good luck in staying away from it man, you'll be a stronger person in the end. And if/when you do decide to take it, you have past experience and will be more responsible and better equipped to limit your intake.
 
crestfallen said:
You're preaching to the choir my man. And I have no doubts about the amount of ppl on addy. Capitalist society favors an outgoing, extroverted personality simply because they are good at making money for the big corporations. While an introverted person has a lot to offer, they get bypassed simply bc of the money-making extrovert who can bs others into doing what they want. Obviously you can tell how stimulants have a positive affect on your output so there's no wonder so many people are taking them, both legally and illegally. ADD'ers are treated like there's something wrong with them and are told that they need medication to function normally. Who is making all of the profit though? Big pharma and corporations.

Sorry for the rant. Good luck in staying away from it man, you'll be a stronger person in the end. And if/when you do decide to take it, you have past experience and will be more responsible and better equipped to limit your intake.
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dude, if you think that was a rant, you should go look at some of my tweaked out posts on BL - so much text you could get an anxiety attack just from looking at it.

and thank you, i hope that i can stay strong enough to steer clear from it as much as i can, until im at a more resposible and considerate state of mind, and even then, i may decide that i dont want to take it, because in the long run, whats the point if i dont even enjoy it enough to endure the negative effects? if you can take the nausea, random pains, vascocostriction and melted organs, then sure, do some meth, but everytime i do meth, i encounter difficulty in various different ways, and then i stay away from it for a month or two, only to see if this time, i can do it "better" so that i dont feel like shit, but i feel like ive sorta realized that meth doesnt get along with my body and mind very well, and i just have to try something else, because no euphoria is worth destroying yourself completely for.

which is why im hesitant to take another percocet so i can drift off peacefully into a long, restful sleep. if i do, my liver will be unhappy at the additional APAP, but if i dont, then i may not fall asleep, and i will have to spend the next 8 hours listening to this person grinding their teeth at a ridiculous volume in their sleep.

ill take the percocet, thanks.
 
littlepenguin said:
comparing methamphetamine usage and birthing a child is kind of um....no.
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i wasn't, i was talking about euphoric recall, which is selective memory where someone only remembers the positive aspects of something, and then, forgetting the negative parts, they go and do it again. this can be apllied to childbirth AND meth use, because if all you remembered was the negative aspects of either, then youd never do it EVER again.

do you see now? i never meant to compare the two, but im just trying to use two examples to explain a concept.
 
I agree with the idea of this post. Look I get great results for 3 days max, on meth, day 4 is a wreck no matter what.

I am also seemingly getting less addicted to it as well as i go along, the good gets a bit old, its so utterly hedonistic, not useful or functional at all for me, always reduces efficiency in work that it is supposed to be great at (i get obsessive and take like 10 times as long) but these things could be worked on but on meth, I dont care about boring shit, work or responsibilities, a great escape originally and amazing for me was utter removal of any fears, anxiety issues, I could see my ptsd nightmare in the garden on a dose and Ill prob go out and fuck him up (mostly likley die). A nice change but it is wearing out its appeal im lucky I guess.
 
I'm with you OP. I never ever ever redosed any stimulant. Well I've done it once and since then will never do it again as I dread the comedown from any stimulant as is. It may be because I'm more prone to anxiety but i still dont think I would redose.

Also, once i take a stim I wont feel like taking any again for at least a few weeks. I cant even imagine taking a stimulant daily, it would be a form of torture to me.
 
Answered your own Q "How-do-people-become-addicted-to-amp-and-methamp-when-physical-symptoms-are-so-harsh"???

Because the comedown is that harsh they counter it with more.

Amphetamines are very functional. I am a daily sniffer and shot (rare I do, usually with H) some Ethylphenadate (Or rit) becauase in my mind I need it to get shit done and contrentrate I have been on ETH daily since fucknig May and RIT/CONTERTA before then got 6g worth jan-may or summit. Months ago I would be up 2 days then sleep, crash till the next and force myself up. Lately it's improved I still use it but getting sleep+food properly hass helped me alot.
 
one thing that i think also contributes is how (at least for me) the first time i tried any speeder (addys, meth, mdpv, mephedrone) i would dose once, not notice a terrible crash outside of a lack of energy. so then it left me thinking 'hey the crash isnt that bad, i can totally get carried away with this shit!'....... wrong.....
 
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